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and then there was the undercurrent of racism in this trial, that because of mark fuhrman was broughtad, and there were so many people who were very critical of the decision by the jury here. in this trial that ran for nine months. and ran for nine months. i mean, people made careers out of this. and the jury made the decision in less than four hours. and i remember being on live television at the time and they came in and focused on all of us, and, you know, this was a jury of eight blacks and two mixed race and i believe to whites. and there were many who believed that because of the racism, because of the issues that mark fuhrman was involved with, that the goldmans and that nicole brown simpson were literally paying for the sins of the fathers. and there has always been this question about, is he guilty or isn't he? you know, for those of us who understood the forensics and the dna and all of the other stuff going on, you know, the idea that the glove didn't fit -- give me a break. the glove was covered with bl blood. the blood shrunk. of course he couldn't get his hands in the gl
and then there was the undercurrent of racism in this trial, that because of mark fuhrman was broughtad, and there were so many people who were very critical of the decision by the jury here. in this trial that ran for nine months. and ran for nine months. i mean, people made careers out of this. and the jury made the decision in less than four hours. and i remember being on live television at the time and they came in and focused on all of us, and, you know, this was a jury of eight blacks and...
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very early on because i was the person who broke the story in the new yorker that mark fuhrman, who was the key detective in the case, who discovered the bloody glove had once applied for a pension from the los angeles police department on the grounds that he was such a racist that he couldn't function anymore appropriately as a police officer, it tells you a lot about the lapd that he lost his case and was told to go back to work as as the police officer mean, the lapd had an appalling history when it came to race. and of course, the rodney king case, what was the most vivid demonstration of that. >> however, the tragedy >> of the oj simpson case, in my view, was that even though that was a little the gentleman complain about the los angeles police department in general oj simpson got away with murder because he was the unjust beneficiary of that long. and unfortunate history. oj simpson killed those two people and he got away with it by his his lawyers doing their job exploiting the ugly history of los angeles. >> well, i will say that's my gut >> before you do, i >> want to hear abou
very early on because i was the person who broke the story in the new yorker that mark fuhrman, who was the key detective in the case, who discovered the bloody glove had once applied for a pension from the los angeles police department on the grounds that he was such a racist that he couldn't function anymore appropriately as a police officer, it tells you a lot about the lapd that he lost his case and was told to go back to work as as the police officer mean, the lapd had an appalling history...
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fuhrman's testimony? a cultural touch point. i think it still stands for a lot of -- we learned a lot about america through the lens of that trial. >> even in the country just about knew who kato calin and mark fuhrman were, it was unbelievable. chloe, let's talk about today. i think it was shocking news to a lot of people. what are we learning about how o.j. simpson died? >> reporter: so we know that it was cancer. in a statement from his family, they say that he was surrounded by his children and grandchildren and that they're asking for privacy, but reports circulated in february that he had been diagnosed with prostate cancer and that he was in hospice, but he actually took to x, formerly known as twitter. and he said hospice? hospice. i'm not in hospice. i'm not dying, so we have not been able to confirm that it was prostate cancer that ultimately caused his death, but we know that he had been sick for quite a while, chris. >> and cynthia, it was clear to me in my interactions with him and as you sai
fuhrman's testimony? a cultural touch point. i think it still stands for a lot of -- we learned a lot about america through the lens of that trial. >> even in the country just about knew who kato calin and mark fuhrman were, it was unbelievable. chloe, let's talk about today. i think it was shocking news to a lot of people. what are we learning about how o.j. simpson died? >> reporter: so we know that it was cancer. in a statement from his family, they say that he was surrounded by...
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fuhrman, one of the central detectives on the oj case and and mr. fuhrman contended that he needed address relief because of his abject malicious feelings towards the black and brown suspects or prisoners the nature of his racism was so virulent that he tried to separate himself from the police department. because of it. so that the theme for what our defense was going to be just following the evidence word letter >> there were something you said after right after the verdict came down in 1995, i just want with larry king here on cnn, i just want everyone to remember what it was moment was for a second >> the client called the show last week, he will appear on nbc tomorrow night. how well how will he equate himself tomorrow? you know, i think it will be a tremendously compelling witness. he's a brilliant man. he was >> do you mean he's not a witness? come off? correct yes. >> there's a lot that he wants to say to set the record straight to change some of the missing conception that have been spoken about on the air. i think you'll do fine >> one, it
fuhrman, one of the central detectives on the oj case and and mr. fuhrman contended that he needed address relief because of his abject malicious feelings towards the black and brown suspects or prisoners the nature of his racism was so virulent that he tried to separate himself from the police department. because of it. so that the theme for what our defense was going to be just following the evidence word letter >> there were something you said after right after the verdict came down in...
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. >> that's right, mark fuhrman, of course, who was the lapd detective who was one of the people whothat's right. and he was racist. it read like a screenplay or something, like gorillas in the mist. we saw that. we saw the brilliant johnny cochran. if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. and he out lawyered these prosecutors. you saw forensic evidence. this launched csi and all this forensic evidence. his lawyers were better. the case they made was stronger. and it wasn't about oj. it was about the system that he defeated. >> and also, as we are on the eve of this iteration of the century, the trial of the century, for sure. cameras were in the courtroom, which of course, is a huge part of it. so much of this was spectacle. the cameras in the courtroom was spectacle. >> it was all spectacle, which is light was the tedious of tv moments. in the tv pantheon. were about to get the second trial of the century. they are not there, but it's interesting to think about how culture has and hasn't changed between when that happened and now. >> and donald trump is -- >> is going to try the sa
. >> that's right, mark fuhrman, of course, who was the lapd detective who was one of the people whothat's right. and he was racist. it read like a screenplay or something, like gorillas in the mist. we saw that. we saw the brilliant johnny cochran. if the glove don't fit, you must acquit. and he out lawyered these prosecutors. you saw forensic evidence. this launched csi and all this forensic evidence. his lawyers were better. the case they made was stronger. and it wasn't about oj. it...
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there was police detective mark fuhrman who said he had found the two bloody gloves, one at the murder scene and one at simpson's home. jurors heard tapes proving him a prolific user of the n-word, a term coined by cnn to protect their anchors from saying the hard r version, which furman had testified that he had never used. years later, fox news hired him as an analyst during one of simpson's later legal troubles. racial tensions were so high in southern california, ahead of the verdict in simpson's trial, that ahead of the verdict, president bill clinton had been briefed on the possibility of assisting california authorities, and when a verdict came, the racial fault lines over the trial were laid bare. evidenced in the throngs of crowds who stopped in their tracks to hear the news on october 3rd, 1995. everywhere across the country. here's how nbc's nightly news reported that moment. >> from a giant tv in new york's noisy times square, to bob's barber shop in oklahoma city. >> orenthal james simpson not guilty. >> to a bakery in chicago. >> not guilty of the crime of murder. >> most
there was police detective mark fuhrman who said he had found the two bloody gloves, one at the murder scene and one at simpson's home. jurors heard tapes proving him a prolific user of the n-word, a term coined by cnn to protect their anchors from saying the hard r version, which furman had testified that he had never used. years later, fox news hired him as an analyst during one of simpson's later legal troubles. racial tensions were so high in southern california, ahead of the verdict in...
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it's also true that mark fuhrman was a racist and lied about it, and then it was revealed that he used very skillful defense team was able to present, that some of the chain of custody on the evidence was mishandled. there were mistakes there. all those things can simultaneously be true and it's also true that it's impossible to even postulate that anyone other than o.j. simpson committed these crimes. the evidence, both circumstantial and hard evidence is overwhelming, and there is no other explanation. >> it was a really compelling conversation. costas also shared an interesting anecdote from a prison visit with o.j. simpson, where al cowlings was also there, listen. >> almost out of nowhere, al cowling says we tried to call you from the back of the bronco, and i later learned that, in fact, they called the control room at the studio, but since i was at madison square garden, since no one was there, the whole crew wasn't there, but a tech answered the phone eventually and o.j. said i need to speak to bob costas and the tech didn't believe him. yeah, right, who's calling? o.j. simpson
it's also true that mark fuhrman was a racist and lied about it, and then it was revealed that he used very skillful defense team was able to present, that some of the chain of custody on the evidence was mishandled. there were mistakes there. all those things can simultaneously be true and it's also true that it's impossible to even postulate that anyone other than o.j. simpson committed these crimes. the evidence, both circumstantial and hard evidence is overwhelming, and there is no other...
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there was a tape of some of the things, this is mark fuhrman you're referring to, one of the investigators they had a tape, and lance eto's wife, she was mentioned and it became a side show. the judge couldn't rule on the tape, and would the jury hear it. the reason this thing took, it was eight months of trial, two months of jury selection. the reason it took so long is there were a lot of things that the jury never knew anything about that were happening as the sort of side show of all of it. and, yeah, there were certainly -- >> it changed the legal system. him allowing cameras in the courtroom changed things. >> it did. and, you know, listen, there were enormous pressures brought to bear on everyone in that courtroom, of course. >> everybody came out of there changed. everybody involved in the o.j. saga, in one way or another changed. some of them, not for the better. in some ways, i'm a believer of cameras in the courtroom, it's a public trial, and i think it's important that the public get to see. yet i would be hard pressed to say that in this particular trial, the way the participa
there was a tape of some of the things, this is mark fuhrman you're referring to, one of the investigators they had a tape, and lance eto's wife, she was mentioned and it became a side show. the judge couldn't rule on the tape, and would the jury hear it. the reason this thing took, it was eight months of trial, two months of jury selection. the reason it took so long is there were a lot of things that the jury never knew anything about that were happening as the sort of side show of all of it....
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fuhrman others that pointed directly at simpson but it was a cross-examination of that evidence andon's so-called legal dream team. including johnnie cochran and barry scheck that poked holes in the prosecution's case scheck question and lapd criminologist who conceded there were procedural errors and how the blood samples were collected at simpsons brentwood home under cross-examination, defense attorney f. lee bailey accused detective fuhrman of racial bias and using racist language, something fuhrman denied. >> tell us please what it was you offered lawyers in that room of your vocabulary, detective, from today would you answer? yes >> that i don't use any type of language to describe people of any race such as what is alleged tape recordings played in court proved otherwise credibility the goldman family who did not miss a day of court lashed out at the defense. >> ron and nicole were butchered, but it was this pivotal moment considered a huge miscalculation by the product so chris darden as simpson, to put on the bloody glove,nd athe ene resulting in cochrane saying the moment
fuhrman others that pointed directly at simpson but it was a cross-examination of that evidence andon's so-called legal dream team. including johnnie cochran and barry scheck that poked holes in the prosecution's case scheck question and lapd criminologist who conceded there were procedural errors and how the blood samples were collected at simpsons brentwood home under cross-examination, defense attorney f. lee bailey accused detective fuhrman of racial bias and using racist language,...
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remember the infamous part about mark fuhrman taking the stand and at first glance out of hijo casting the quintessential detective and police officer, only they can run it with his own racist statement and changing the tide of how the jurors potentially saw this. i remember thinking at the time among conversations and family and friends and community about how falling rodney king there were such distress for the police. and of course, here we're somebody with a lead two black defense attorney in one, johnnie cochran, you had a defense team that was built of the most statured of defense council and you had a very wealthy black man who had for all the reasons we talked about, had all the accolades and praise. and so that was the land which people's hard to view. the justice system. otherwise, it was fair or not >> bring jane velez mitchell into this conversation. jane, you also cover this trial for us. back then, take us back to los angeles at the time of the trial, what was the gotten a sphere like as this trial was actually taking place >> well, it was so charge wolf, it was all anybo
remember the infamous part about mark fuhrman taking the stand and at first glance out of hijo casting the quintessential detective and police officer, only they can run it with his own racist statement and changing the tide of how the jurors potentially saw this. i remember thinking at the time among conversations and family and friends and community about how falling rodney king there were such distress for the police. and of course, here we're somebody with a lead two black defense attorney...