what do you make of it, mark penn? >> i've been sounding the alarm for months about these numbers and the president needs to do something about them. there's no question. you ask people, they're concerned about inflation, they're concerned about immigration, they're concerned about crime. these are all causing a pretty big deterioration in the numbers. there's still a year here. one poll finding, i point out, 77% of democrats back joe biden for the nomination. it doesn't seem to be a big democratic split. does seem to be voters really concerned about joe biden and what he would do a second term and she's a good example of it. i don't think young people are going to flee and vote for donald trump, but i think the president has to act on these numbers. >> martha: yeah, marc thiessen, he's really in a tough spot with this israel palestinian issue. because he's bleeding younger voters on this. you can see the protests across the country. i never thought i would see a democrat in so much trouble with so many voters on their

mark penn, let's examine from a political point of view. are a pollster, worked with the clintons for years. from a political point of view, i would argue both are putting themselves in the arena. they are both putting themselves in the octagon. they are both willing to take a risk to do it. i think it is healthy for the country. that's my take. your take? >> definitely. look, i think this is a high-risk event for everybody involved. i think ron desantis expected to be much higher in the presidential race against donald trump. this now now turned against something that might have been risky where if he pulls off a great debate and defends his record, he will actually come up a few points in the presidential race. newsom, he doesn't have much to lose. he is not expecting to get fox voters to vote for him no matter what. if he can see ron desantis, that will put him in a great position in the presidential bullpen, which is what he is interested in. >> we talk a lot, governor huckabee, with joe biden being weak and frail and a cognitive mess.

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mark penn, let's just examine from a political point of view. you're a pollster. you worked with the clintons for years. from a political point of view ,do you think? i would argue that both are putting themselves in the arena. they both put themselves in the octagon here. i think they're both willing to take a risk to do it. and i think it's healthy for the country. that's my. take your take. yeah, definitely. look, i think this is a high risk event for everybody involved. i think ron desantis expected to be much in the presidential race against donald trump. so this has now turned into something that might have been risky where he has everything to lose, where maybe if he pulls off a great debate here and defends his record, he'll actually come up a few points in the presidential race. newsom he doesn't have much to lose here. he's not expecting to get fox voters to vote for him. no matter what. on the other hand, if he can say ron desantis, that's going to put him in a great position in the presidential bullpen, which is really what he's interested in getting.

mark penn, former clinton advisor and polling expert. david avella, gopac chairman., i start with you. too early to probably plan for a different candidate do you think across the aisle? >> certainly president obama is casting his vote. the fact that david axelrod said what he did we know president obama wants someone else as the democratic party nominee. you add to what even the president said this weekend undercutting his own vice president, now president biden's own foreign policy with what has been said. all of that to say, harris, the biggest challenge for president biden is americans believe life is harder and it is his policies that have made it that way. that purchasing power is down. that $1 hundred gallon of gas is 160 because of inflation. the 120 gasoline bill is now up 20%. food bill is now up to $126 over 100. life is harder under biden and americans know it. >> harris: you mentioned the former obama senior advisor david axelrod is now questioning biden's re-election. i want to show everybody what he posted. only joe biden can make this decision. if he

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mark penn is a former bill clinton adviser and let's put the siena poll of six battleground states on screen. trump leading in five of the six. only state biden is leading in is wisconsin. if those numbers held, mark, a year from now, donald trump could very well become the 47th president. how much panic is this setting off in the biden campaign and broadly, the democratic party? >> well, i don't think numbers like this should set off panic. what it should set off is reconsideration of the policies, changes you have to make, and look, i worked with president clinton and his ratings when i started were worse than this. nobody thought george bush was going to get re-elected, and barack obama's question was in question. these are not good numbers. inflation, crime, immigration, these are big issues that the president has not solved. most people think the country and the economy are in the wrong direction. he has one year from now to change those numbers. if he doesn't, it's going to be a really tough re-election. >> john: even prominent democrats like david axelrod, tweeted about the pol

ari fleischer, mark penn, lee carter, thank you. well, it's no secret that democrats are now in panic mode over biden' thas poll numbp it's a game of how low cannumb you go forer joe? g but kamala harris, she is not worried. r the vice president told cnnsh that she and biden will just have to earn their reelection. but how? joining us now with more, fox news contributor their and formerth speaker of the house, newt gingrich. you knowuse,, gingrich, it's als a pleasure to hear your wisdo . and at a moment in history where republicans, you know, w asure e the house, that's it. we don't have the senate, we don't have the presidency. and we know election rep have te choice. how does the house, under newly elected speake r mike, who i sa across from, was very impressed by? how doest acro the house give the american people a choice? illustrate a contrasting g to biden. >> what should they be doinga r well, i think they're doing a lot of it. i think that if you look at the pas bills they've been passing aidto israel but offset by cutting m

mark penns big upside and big downside, watch. >> i think this is a high risk event for everybody involved. i think ron desantis expected to be much higher in the presidential race against donald trump, this is now risky and he might have everything to lose. if he pulls off a great debate and defends his record, he will come up in the presidential race. newsom doesn't have much to lose here, he's not expected to get fox voters to vote for him. if he can slay ron desantis, that will put him in great position in the presidential bullpen. >> brian: i agree, except on newsom, if he can't defend the green things he says, i think gavin newsom could jeopardize his future because his job as governor, terrible. job in san francisco, terrible. he looks the part and talented speaker and if desantis does his homework, stronger hand. >> lawrence: i have a source that could potentially be moderating this event and that source told me he'll be fair and he wants both of them to defend their record. this is going to be about how well california is and how well florida has governed themselves. he will lean

i had on mark penn and his pr polling company handled big names in politics, bill clinton and outsidef elected office bill gates and he could not name a person who would take over for biden. he said one of the many governors. i said, is there one? i said what about kamala harris? i don't think she would make it out of a primary. they argue, he is not trump, i don't know if that works with democratic voters particularly younger ones and particularly black ones this time around. >> emily: on enthusiasm, so enthusiasm wanes with rallies issue the voting box is cohe'sion to rally around and without combating strat knowledgy of the gop, it will fail. talk about this potentially nuanced and game-changing poll with you, kennedy. same sienna new york poll, if former president is convicted, some people predict that, around 6% of voters arizona, pennsylvania, wisconsin say they would switch their vote to biden. it doesn't seem like enough, here the argument is enough to sway an election thachl is a really big if. what do you say about that? >> kennedy: that is a big if and people are answering

let's bring in clifford young, and mark penn former clinton pollster. i'm in hog heaven.s polls with actual pollsters. fabulous. mark, let me start with you. one thought among supporters of the president is that the biden campaign seems to -- all it needs to do is better articulate the accomplishments of this president over the past couple years. but then there is another school of thought that i think david axelrod might be counted among this group that voters look at the president and they look at somebody who is well past his best before date and then look at his running mate and they don't like the running mate too much. what do you say? >> look, i've said for months now the president's numbers have been low. it is very hard to get reelected with a 40% job approval. you need at least 45. it is about the economy, inflation, crime, immigration. it's about doing things about these problems just as when i worked with president clinton, we had an agenda for the future. i haven't heard one. we did things about the problems on a massive scale. and he has a year left to do it

trump didn't do it the first time -- >> mark penn made a good point earlier, he said, look, there arerent trials the former president is facing right now, is he going to be the available to be on the ballot in november of 2024? a lot of time has gone by, you know? a lot of americans are saying in to polls they're not really excited about a biden-trump matchup, they're looking for new blood. but this is why we have this process. >> i disagree actually about -- i think it was a good thing that they did appear on mbc or whatever it was last night -- nbc -- because i feel like if you're going to the run for president, it's a general election. that's the whole country. you can't be in an echo chamber forever. maria: yeah, but i'm glad vivek called out welker -- >> yeah. maria: she kept saying trump colluded with russia. no, he didn't, it was a lie. >> i'm just saying specifically those anchors. if you wanted to choose other anchors who respect so openly hostile to the candidate who's leading in the primary, right? number one case against trump was never about someone who could be more effe

sure michael singleton and mark penn. great to have you both. first of all, 27% of anything would deem it not effective if you were taken aspirin or something. this is really, really negative for a current president inside now a year from election day. >> most certainly is. if you look at most recent elections, harris, we have never had a president that has performed so poorly with independent voters that went on to win re-election. this should signal real problems for the biden administration as well as democrats generally speaking. you have just talked about the state of the economy and the way the president is handling foreign affairs. let's also keep in mind the immigration problem where you have many americans, including black americans in cities like new york and chicago, that are saying wait a minute here, why are we redirecting resources for americans to people who aren't u.s. citizens? there is a real problem on the president's hands. he seems incapable of handling it. >> harris: mark, i don't want to lean too hard on his age. the one p

mark penn former clinton pollster and advisor and karl rove.reat to have you both on today. i want to frame this the following way. the phrase was i would say that age is more than a chronological fact. that's pretty clever. now to both of you, here are the approval numbers and the disapproval numbers for biden and harris. disapprovals in our polling both check in at 59% and president biden is two points higher than she is. karl, would you like to begin? if so you can start with age, numbers or maybe in the end they are all numbers. >> look, let's start with the number. 3/4 of the american people think he is too old including 69% of democrats. i love this. i spent a lot of time with the president and situation room. he is authoritative. steady, mature, made the call. what she is saying is who will you believe, me or your lying eyes and ears? the american people have made a judgment about this. the idea they can somehow spin this into something valuable and strong and able for the challenges ahead are kidding themselves. they have made a judgmen

. >> brian: i'll go back to mark penn, who said big upside, big downside. if either person is exposed of not backing up policy or knowing the others, that is not going to be 2028. this is the 2024 debate. a lot of people look and this is our future. >> steve: ron desantis is running right now, of the two, peril could be in his lane. >> ainsley: starts 9:00, 9:00 to 10:30 and 90 minutes of talking and analysis and we'll have analysis tomorrow. still ahead "americas newsroom" host dana perino will join us next. for long-lasting cough and sore throat relief. try new robitussin lozenges with real medicine and find your voice. you know? we really need to work on your people skills. you'll find them in cities, towns and suburbs all across america. millions of americans who have medicare and medicaid but may be missing benefits they could really use. extra benefits they may be eligible to receive at no extra cost. and if you have medicare and medicaid, you may be able to get extra benefits, too, through a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible special needs plan.

the harris poll chairman mark penn along with poster lee. i began specifically with those pieces from the "washington post" and politico. they have a lot of sources in democrat circles. this is based on at least 42 democrat sources. there is a lot of angst. you know this, we're both former press secretaries. you don't want these pieces landing on your desk. >> no, let me talk about one of my favorite things in that "washington post" article. democrats at the white house saying they want him to walk less so the public doesn't see him have difficulty walking. so what's the most concrete thing they have done? they have stopped him from walking up the big majestic steps to the top of air force one, and he goes with baby steps at the bottom. once you enter the bottom level of air force one, there is no elevator. there is nothing that gets you to the higher levels making it easier. there is an inner staircase, so the only thing they are doing is hiding joe biden. nothing is easier for him. he still has the climb but it's the only way they can hide

an aei scholar and mark penn also with me.just wrote a book called where have all the democrats gone? after last night was that pre-mature? >> well, where have all the democrats gone would not be a problem for the democrats if all elections were relatively low turnout elections that hinged on abortion rights and election denial. for them i don't think that's the case. i do think these results do underscore the potency of the abortion rights issue. the democrats could run abortion rights against trump in 2024. they probably do very well indeed. >> bill: mark, how do you see the results of last night? sometimes you need to take a step back and wait for the weekend and go home and think about it. or have you already made up your mind, mark? >> well look, i don't think the results were a surprise but i think the surprise was that republicans didn't romp and democrats held their own. when you look at the national polls now republicans are doing really well in the national polls on key issues. i think there is an issue not abortion

penn this is a year's long time. for people. unless they feel like the economy is looking up. they see these numbers going down. they see themselves able to afford more. not just when it comes to buying food at the grocery when it comes to paying for the cost of energy, the cost of healthcare and et cetera in america. then i think that they are going to hold the white house responsible because of their decision to brand all this as belonging to the president. >> shannon: one of the other areas that we talked about in the polling where he is how he is handling the israel conflict now. we have got this problem that they have got to get through on capitol hill is the supplemental asking for aid to israel, ukraine, the border. how is all of this going to shake out. in the meantime a number of lawmakers speaking out on whether there should be conditions from the u.s. on more military aid to israel. >> i think it's appalling that democratic senators like bernie sanders are calling for conditions on our aid to israel as if

kellyanne conway, former senior counselor of president trump and a fox news contributor and mark pennrmer clinton adviser and polster, now ceo of stagwell. welcome to both of you. kellyanne, what is your take away on the emerson poll? >> martha, this is the third poll in in week along with cnn and sienna showing former president trump strength against joe biden in a cage match rematch. what is remarkable is joe biden fluctuates between 39% in one of the states to 43%. his floor and ceiling are so close together. the way biden pulls it out if you have the third party candidates and they take more from trump than biden. as we found out in 1992 when ross perot was a third part challenger, doesn't matter how popular you are. if you get 19% of the popular vote nationwide, you get zero electoral votes. the question for many of these challengers, jill stein, r.f.k. jr., cornell west, maybe some tech billionaire. the question is which of the states can you win. not can you be the spoiler but which of the states that you win so you take electoral votes away from them. one last point, what is r

in an election that turned out to be very close, and right now he is, like mark penn was saying, he isa really dramatic shift from where we were four years ago like 11 points or more. the white house has got to be concerned. >> yeah. if you look, hugh, at the individual issues in our latest poll he is underwater. national security, guns, immigration, economy at 33% approval and then inflation at 29%. here is joe manchin last night. >> joe biden is not the person. when he came there saying i know how it works, can i bring the country together. i'm a centrist. well, he has pulled clear far to the left, the economy from the standpoint, a jobs opportunity, inflation is horrible. i agree. >> bret: can you say bidenomics is not working. >> well, from food and fuel and everything in between, so the bottom line is can we do better? absolutely. we should do better. >> bret: hugh, your thoughts? >> well, senator manchin is right. we should do better. i also have to add, no matter what the issue set is, i keep looking at a president who is infirm. i think we all have to begin to recognize that th

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mark rowe and the ceo of apollo a huge private equity going after penn encouraging to see wall street league to account. >> here's another one born rashida tlaib associates directly president biden with genocide in senator bernie sanders refused to condemn her comments, what exactly did they seem to say. >> he actively defended her despite her provocative comment. >> await on right now is a horror show. thousands of men women and children are being killed it has to end. rashida tlaib is a friend of mine and her family comes from palestine and she's been shaken as all of us about what goes on right there right now we have to address the humanitarian crisis. >> he is jewish. >> is brought up in a jewish household. >> is a leading progressive voice so is not going to go against her but what is genocide deliberate killing of a group of people. who is quibbling about words. >> is a socialist us not forget that. 2021 winner of ms. israel noa cochva is working to change the war on israel. >> with the amount of money flowing into gaza they could've taken care of their own civilians, they coul

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pulled his commitment and stood forward saying president of penn needs to say something, say something about hamas being a terrorist organization where young men and women are facing threats on campus and rabbi berman, is leading this coalition, i'm proud to non- university of texas, baylor, part of that coalition to take away violence from higher ed learning. >> emily: kayleigh, accountability expected of university leadership to stand up and stand for some type of moral clarity. also in stewardship of funds. barry weis, she talked about antisemitism and what research described as 13 billion dollars in undisclosed contributions from foreign regimes, many of which are authoritarian. >> kayleigh: that is right, she wrote in a separate column, biggest funder of universities when it comes to foreign dollars that are pouring into them is qatar. qatar. okay. who is housing hamas. i saw a picture yesterday of hamas living it up, hamas leaders, clearly not caring about the people of gaza, who hamas is killing as they try to leave the country. qatar is flooding aid to universities, that is a h

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of people being prosecuted for speech where here in pennsylvania under william penn himself a former prisoner of conscience, you had pre-publication censorship and a council in 1683 presided over by william penn sentenced and anthony to be lashed 30 times for you know, sedition speaking out against the government that william presided over. so a huge shift between the 17th and 18th century in the understanding of the importance of free speech. and that sort of plays into the developments leading up to the relution and also afterwards. oh, what a butiful encapsulation of t history of free speech that phrase drunk on to's letters just sums up how the colosts absorbed the spirit of liberty and you so. well, set the stage for our conversation. akhil amar. you were my first teacher of constitutional law of kindle. my understanding of the constitution, and that of so many americans. and in his virginia for religious freedom. thomas jefferson offered for asons for protectinfree speech. first, the freedom of speech is an unalienable natural right that comes from god or nature, not government

and i think that marks a huge difference from from 17 central america, where you have more than 1200 cases of people being prosecuted for speech where here in pennsylvania under william penn himself a former prisoner of conscience, you had pre-publication censorship and a council in 1683 presided over by william penn sentenced and anthony to be lashed 30 times for you know, sedition speaking out against the government that william presided over. so a huge shift between the 17th and 18th century in the understanding of the importance of free speech. and that sort of plays into the developments leading up to the revolution and also afterwards. oh, what a beautiful encapsulation of the history of free speech that phrase drunk on cato's letters just sums up how the colonists absorbed the spirit of liberty and you so. well, set the stage for our conversation. akhil amar. you were my first teacher of constitutional law of kindle. my understanding of the constitution, and that of so many americans. and in his virginia for religious freedom. thomas jefferson offered for reasons for protectin

and i think that marks a huge difference from from 17 central america, where you have more than 1200 cases of people being prosecuted for speech where here in pennsylvania under william penn himself a former prisoner of conscience, youad pre-publication censorship and a council in 1683 presided over by william penn sentenced and anthony to be lashed 30 times for you know, sedition speaking out against the government that william presided over. so a huge shift between the 17th and 18th century in the understanding of the importance of free speech. and that sort of plays into the developments leading up to the revoluti and also afterwards. oh, what a beautiful encapsulation of the history of free speech that phrase drunk on cato's letters just sums up how the colonists sorbed the spirit of liberty and you so. well, set the stage for our conversation. akhil amar. you were my first teacher of constitutional law of ndle. my understanding of the constitution, and that of so many americans. and in his virginia for religious freedom. thomas jefferson offered for reasons for protecting free s

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and penn.center i will go to trustees and remind them of their fiduciary responsibility. three weeks launching a line over 260 cases. trained up now 125 lawyers. bringing these cases like an armada against these institutions. >> how of that federal funding goes to private universities outside of states? >> i don't know the exact number. hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars for each of these. university night mot care about one donor pulling back his or her dollars. losing an nih grant they're going to listen. what we're going do. it's not about your moral obligation, that should be enough, but about your fiduciary responsibility. >> and talked to any of these university presidents? >> oh, i have. >> about this in particular? >> yes. struggling to figure out what are re going to do? our prodding of the department of education launched investigations. many are coming. we need to get the groups pushing anti-jewish agendas -- >> knee-jerk reaction. where was that incubated? happening for y