let's speak to our reporter, martin yip. martin, can you tell us more about what these subversion charges are and what it all means? , ,., , charges are and what it all means? , , ., means? yes, so this whole charue means? yes, so this whole charge surrounds _ means? yes, so this whole charge surrounds the - means? yes, so this whole charge surrounds the plan | means? yes, so this whole i charge surrounds the plan by these people who have organised and participated in an official democratic primary election backin democratic primary election back in 2020, that once they got into the legislative council, they might try to force the government to hear what they say by featuring budgets — and that's what the prosecutors have been alleging, that they tried to overthrow the government. and the judges do agree, this panel of three judges inside with a jury. so they say in the written judgment that if the plan were ever to be executed, it might create serious interference and disruption to the hong kong government's ability to pe