one of my panellists, professor matt goodwin , he talks professor matt goodwin, he talks about the immigration system. he basically says that what the tories created massive tories have created is a massive ponzi scheme , harsh words. we'll ponzi scheme, harsh words. we'll get that. of that and get into that. all of that and more. but before we do, let's bnng more. but before we do, let's bring ourselves to speed with bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's news headlines. tonight's latest news headlines. as . as. >> michelle, thank you very much and good evening. i'm sam francis in the gb news room. the headunes francis in the gb news room. the headlines at six flooding across parts of england has been described as pure hell. that's as hundreds of warnings remain in place across the country in the wake of storm henk in nottinghamshire, a senior councillor has said that some residents have been affected by flood waters there three times in just three months. more than 1000 properties across the country remain flooded after heavy downpours this week, and a cold weather alert has been issued

goodwin still morning. um, matt goodwin still with me, matt, your reaction to that? they have to be singing from rishi sunak hymn even rishi sunak hymn sheet, even though the plan clearly isn't working . let's talk briefly working. let's talk briefly before we have to go about reform and nigel farage you're talking about those numbers and saying they should be at 25. could they be at 25% if nigel was at the helm? >> well, if you look at the polling data, we've had some stuff from yougov recently that suggested vote would stuff from yougov recently that sugfrom 3d vote would stuff from yougov recently that sugfrom about vote would stuff from yougov recently that sugfrom about !0% vote would stuff from yougov recently that sugfrom about !0% to vote would stuff from yougov recently that sugfrom about !0% to about/ould stuff from yougov recently that sugfrom about !0% to about !5,.d go from about !0% to about !5, with nigel farage at the top of the party. >> my instinct is it could go a bit higher. when you look at these issues around small boats and migration. by the an

i've just heard goodwin, who's heard from matt goodwin, who's done of polling to suggest done a lot ofial at all electorate. all with the electorate. and equally, brought equally, yes, he's brought down inflation, but other four inflation, but the other four points remain to fulfilled. points remain to be fulfilled. and already a new year. and it's already a new year. >> well, look what we seen in the last year since rishi became prime minister, is that the economy has turned a corner, you know, in the year and a bit ago when he took over, we were forecast to have the biggest recession that we've seen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation ve've seen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation was�* seen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation was areen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation was are over100 years. inflation was are over 11. you know, we've now seen growth in the economy . we you growth in the economy. we you know, albeit small, and we want it be more. and we've it to be more. and also we've seen inflation down. that's seen inflatio

joining me now is professor of politics matt goodwin . now, matt, with the goodwin.nment's new pledge to tighten university acceptance scandal standards, is york going against it? well it's not just york. >> i think lots of universities are going against it. remember what boris johnson promised and dominic cummings in 2019 that britain's universities were going to get the best of the best? we were going to bring the best? we were going to bring the best global talent into our universities. they were going to go and become go to oxbridge and become scientists we're going scientists and we're all going to benefit wonderful , to benefit from this wonderful, high migration. high skilled migration. as a result . well, fast forward four result. well, fast forward four years. what we can see actually is, is the opposite of that. what's happening in higher education is we've basically seen the numbers of international students rocket the numbers of their relatives have have increased sharply as well. >> so they bring dependent s, they bring dependents as well. >> but they ma

joining me now is professor of politics matt goodwin . now, matt, with the goodwin.nment's new pledge to tighten university acceptance scandal standards, is york going against it? well it's not just york. >> i think lots of universities are going against it. remember what boris johnson promised and dominic cummings in 2019 that britain's universities were going to get the best of the best? we were going to bring the best? we were going to bring the best global talent into our universities. they were going to go and become go to oxbridge and become scientists we're going scientists and we're all going to benefit this wonderful , to benefit from this wonderful, high as high skilled migration. as a result . well, fast forward four result. well, fast forward four years. what we can see actually is, is the opposite of that. what's happening in higher education we've basically education is we've basically seen the numbers of international students rocket the numbers of their relatives have have increased sharply as well. >> so they bring dependent s, they bring dependents

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matt goodwin was making.elections, the best thing is to keep your thing to do is to keep your coalition together coalition of voters together and more than that, it's not just three quarters of conservative voters who oppose these ridiculous measures. >> and i'm number two. um, it's 55% of voters that if you want to win elections, don't go against the vast majority . against the vast majority. >> isn't this obviously true? and he said he wouldn't do it in a grand speech, much fanfare, probably state trumpeters borrowed from the queen on parade. um, last september. so he wasn't going to do it. and he's doing it all. >> um, i disagree with you. and here is why we have voted to become cold and poor. because 6 million people are living in fuel poverty. and if we just look at the facts of every time we have rowed back on green policies, i'll give you three examples. raised examples. and it has raised bills cutting . the green crap. bills cutting. the green crap. according to david cameron. so we did. he reduced su

matt goodwin was making.tions, the best thing is to keep your thing to do is to keep your coalition together coalition of voters together and more than that, it's not just three quarters of conservative voters who oppose these ridiculous measures. >> and i'm number two. um, it's 55% of voters that if you want to win elections, don't go against the vast majority . against the vast majority. >> isn't this obviously true? and he said he wouldn't do it in a grand speech, much fanfare, probably state trumpeters borrowed from the queen on parade. um, last september. so he wasn't going to do it. and he's doing it all. >> um, i disagree with you. and here is why we have voted to become cold and poor. because 6 million people are living in fuel poverty. and if we just look at the facts of every time we have rowed back on green policies, i'll give you three examples. raised examples. and it has raised bills cutting . the green crap. bills cutting. the green crap. according to david cameron. so we did. he reduced subsid

>> well, it was quite interesting goodwin interesting what matt goodwin had about reform had to say thereform the reform potentially the reform party potentially overtaking the overtaking and replacing the conservative party it's quite hard to believe after the success of the conservative party had over the years. party has had over the years. but anything is possible. it does seem that the conservative brand is simply just viewed as toxic . toxic. >> um, so what are you hearing behind the scenes then? this idea that penny mordaunt might be parachuted in. is there any truth to that? do you think i certainly haven't heard anything about that. and if it would be the most ridiculous thing in the world. >> you've just heard emily say that is struggling and that the brand is struggling and reform the march and reform are on the march and could take over swapping prime minister again just minister again would just confirm idea that, confirm everybody's idea that, you pandemonium. you know, this is pandemonium. let's haven't heard let's move on. i haven't heard it. think it's true. but it. i don

matt goodwin, very much.ssor of pollster and professor of politics, of course. and also, there's the issue that if the bill is toughened up, the rwanda bill is toughened up, the rwanda bill that is could end up with rwanda pulling out. >> well, that is always the >> yes. well, that is always the risk. if they go too far , then risk. if they go too far, then do do the rwandan government do do do the rwandan government think, oh , is that worrying? or think, oh, is that worrying? or have rwandan government been have the rwandan government been leant on by some international institutions? have some lawyers been writing to mr kagame? who knows . um, but clearly some knows. um, but clearly some seismic debates taking place tuesday . and wednesday this tuesday. and wednesday this week. and of course, again , that week. and of course, again, that interview with the prime minister, we'll be hearing it live. but for minister, we'll be hearing it livefirst but for minister, we'll be hearing it livefirst time but for mi

one of my panellists, professor matt goodwin , he talks professor matt goodwin, he talks about the immigrationget that. of that and get into that. all of that and more. but before we do, let's bnng more. but before we do, let's bring ourselves to speed with bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's news headlines.

as pollster and academic goodwin i want to academic matt goodwin i want to cross over panel now crossna akua. i've got conservative mp jonathan gillis and i have got author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. now let's pick up on the point that he said there. all right. should we have a referendum on net migration? >> no, no. look, why do we need a referendum on net migration ? a referendum on net migration? we know already that the population is set to rise exponentially if we carry on as we are. why do we need to work out where the level should be? we failed. i mean, brexit was meant to be a way of us determining who we had coming to this country , especially from eu this country, especially from eu countries , and that we could countries, and that we could then open the doors to the people that we needed. and we failed. we just allowed anyone to come here. we populated this influx students and influx with mainly students and their families, and we literally have failed to do it correctly . have failed to do it correctly. so a referendum i think is just a stalling tactic of time wast

goodwin caused a stir when he revealed that roughly half of social housing in london is occupied byholds headed by an immigrant. and of course, it turned out to be true, prompting many questions about the fairness of the wider fairness of this by the wider public. seems the public. well, it seems the government may have listened on this occasion. as news this occasion. as today's news suggests , the government is on suggests, the government is on course to resurrect plans to prioritise british citizens when it comes to social housing, the question is this fair? well, my most intellectual panel is still with me. gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson and the editor of conservative home, paul goodman. nigel, let me come to you first on this. if there is a statutory obugafion on this. if there is a statutory obligation to house people, what can the government do to prioritise one group against another? well, it can't , uh, not another? well, it can't, uh, not under existing equalities laws , under existing equalities laws, laws anyway. >> so i just don't know where this is

goodwin caused a stir when he revealed that roughly half of social housing in london is occupied byeholds headed by an immigrant. and of course, it turned out to be true, prompting many questions about the fairness of the wider fairness of this by the wider public. seems the public. well, it seems the government may have listened on this occasion. as news this occasion. as today's news suggests , the government is on suggests, the government is on course to resurrect plans to prioritise british citizens when it comes to social housing, the question is this fair? well, my most intellectual panel is still with me. gb news is senior political commentator nigel nelson and the editor of conservative home, paul goodman. nigel, let me come to you first on this. if there is a statutory obugafion on this. if there is a statutory obligation to house people, what can the government do to prioritise one group against another? well, it can't , uh, not another? well, it can't, uh, not under existing equalities laws , under existing equalities laws, laws anyway. >> so i just don't know where this i

we had goodwin on with nigel had matt goodwin on with nigel farage more farage saying they are more concernedd about this. you have to broad offer in an election. >> and of course, cost of living will of the list. but will be top of the list. but migration is an important issue. it's the voters you're it's vital to the voters you're talking about, um, the legal figures as we know have, i think the government now admit the government would now admit this completely of this got completely out of control. for some voters, control. and for some voters, whether able control whether you're able to control your borders or not, is that existential question. and to be fair to sunak , um, i think ken fair to sunak, um, i think ken clarke had a point . you can clarke had a point. you can shoot down the rwanda scheme with all sorts of holes in it, but no one's come up with a convincing alternative. >> so kenneth clarke , supporting >> so kenneth clarke, supporting rishi sunak on tough immigration policy, who would have thought it ? it? >> that surprised . >> i'm not all that surprised. >> i'm not all tha

. >> professor matt goodwin and for the purposes of this debate, importantly pollster.h, these numbers are dire, aren't they? they're very dire. >> i mean, the conservative party is on life support. and you think about why the conservative party historically has been one of the most successful parties in the history democracy. it's history of democracy. it's because of its to renew . because of its power to renew. it's renewed its ideology. it's renewed its electorate. but after 2019, you know, after renewing itself around the brexit divide , i think what brexit divide, i think what strikes me is that the conservative party doesn't really know how to speak to the voters it inherited from brexit. and so if you look at what's going to happen to the party at the next election, nigel, with these poll numbers, the mps who are left, they're not red wall mps, they're not northern mps, they're . oxbridge educated they're. oxbridge educated southern conservative mps of a more liberal mindset set. so the idea that after this catastrophic defeat, which the polls suggest is on, on,

we've also got a sexy c k ad that's deemed too sexy, and we've got matt goodwin as well who might behis top off. >> leo. looking forward to it. always a treat. thank you so much to my brilliant friday friends , the the other friends, the team, the other side your side of glass, you for your company. i'll see you tomorrow at nine. leo's next. >> warm feeling inside >> that warm feeling inside from boxt is sponsors of boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on . gb news. evening weather on. gb news. evening >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. four gb news. the cold theme continues this weekend. most places staying dry, but there will be a few showers around and those showers will snow in northern will turn to snow in northern scotland on sunday. there's a cold front moving in, ousting this area of high pressure that's been dominating for much of the week. it's still bringing most of us dry night. got some most of us a dry night. got some clearer south into clearer skies pushing south into northeast england could northeast england that could allow h

we've also got a sexy c k ad that's deemed too sexy, and we've got matt goodwin as well who might bes top off. >> leo. looking forward to it. always a treat. thank you so much to my brilliant friday friends , the the other friends, the team, the other side your side of glass, you for your company. i'll see you tomorrow at nine. leo's next. >> warm feeling inside >> that warm feeling inside from boxt is sponsors of boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on . gb news. evening weather on. gb news. evening >> i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather update from the met office. four gb news. the cold theme continues this weekend. most places staying dry, but there will be a few showers around and those showers will snow in northern will turn to snow in northern scotland on sunday. there's a cold front moving in, ousting this area of high pressure that's been dominating for much of the week. it's still bringing most of us dry night. got some most of us a dry night. got some clearer south into clearer skies pushing south into northeast england could northeast england that could allow her

we had goodwin on with nigel had matt goodwin on with nigel farage more farage saying they are more concernedut this. you have to broad offer in an election. >> and of course, cost of living will of the list. but will be top of the list. but migration is an important issue. it's the voters you're it's vital to the voters you're talking about, um, the legal figures as we know have, i think the government now admit the government would now admit this completely of this got completely out of control. for some voters, control. and for some voters, whether able control whether you're able to control your borders or not, is that existential question. and to be fair to sunak , um, i think ken fair to sunak, um, i think ken clarke had a point . you can clarke had a point. you can shoot down the rwanda scheme with all sorts of holes in it, but no one's come up with a convincing alternative. >> so kenneth clarke , supporting >> so kenneth clarke, supporting rishi sunak on tough immigration policy, who would have thought it ? it? >> that surprised . >> i'm not all that surprised. >> i'm not all that sur

. >> today i'm joined by professor matt goodwin. thanks. first time on the show, matthew.d our resident left in the corner, matthew laws, is back on the show. i've got to be nice to him. uh, my mother says i pick on him a little bit. that's not true, is it, matthew? i think you enough. your you know that's enough. your mother but there's mother anyway. but there's always right. we're going to go straight guys. straight straight to it, guys. straight to chirping away again. to it. it's chirping away again. look, this week we've some look, this week we've seen some heavy parliament, heavy scenes in parliament, some lots matt on lots of pylons. yeah matt on twitter, politicians of all sides and i'm thinking to myself it's getting a little bit nasty, a little bit distasteful is social media the new pitchfork brigade, is it affecting people's mental health? the recipient's and the people's actually, you know, dishing it out ? out? >> i think it is. i think this week's reminded me a bit of those brexit days, just as parliament was trying to get the votes through. i think because

matt goodwin that it goodwin did a poll that had it at i at number three.en i heard had gone even heard that it had gone even higher gone to 1 or higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. i'd be very surprised if it's higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. it's be very surprised if it's higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. it's notlery surprised if it's higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. it's not higher.prised if it's higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. it's not higher. noted if it's higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. it's not higher. not inif it's higher and it had gone to 1 or 2. it's not higher. not in thes if it's not higher. not in the mirror, that's the mirror. >> this isn't in the mirror. it's they did. okay. it's a poll that they did. okay. >> right, all right, well, >> all right, all right, well, let's move on. that's enough propaganda do the propaganda for me. let's do the telegraph. yeah. so the telegraph. francis. yeah. so the telegraph gone with a telegraph have gone with a actually a really heartbreaking story . record numbers of excess story. record numbers of e

. >> today i'm joined by professor matt goodwin. thanks. first time on the show, matthew.nd our resident left in the corner, matthew laws, is back on the show. i've got to be nice to him. uh, my mother says i pick on him a little bit. that's not true, is it, matthew? i think you enough. your you know that's enough. your mother but there's mother anyway. but there's always right. we're going to go straight guys. straight straight to it, guys. straight to chirping away again. to it. it's chirping away again. look, this week we've some look, this week we've seen some heavy parliament, heavy scenes in parliament, some lots matt on lots of pylons. yeah matt on twitter, politicians of all sides and i'm thinking to myself it's getting a little bit nasty, a little bit distasteful is social media the new pitchfork brigade, is it affecting people's mental health? the recipient's and the people's actually, you know, dishing it out ? out? >> i think it is. i think this week's reminded me a bit of those brexit days, just as parliament was trying to get the votes through. i think becaus

. >> that's matthew laza and top pollster matt goodwin is on the show for the first time. you laugh . we've also got the sister laugh. we've also got the sister of joey essex, that's frankie essex, she's on the show for the first time and he's back. adam brooks, the landlord and i can confirm he is five foot ten, but first let's go to the . first let's go to the. news >> good evening. your top stories from the gb newsroom. tata steel has confirmed up to 2008 hundred jobs will be affected by its plan to close furnaces at its port talbot. the cuts will be made over the next 18 months as the company transitions to a greener way of working , the unite union says working, the unite union says it's ready to use everything in its armoury to protect staff and defend the industry . meanwhile, defend the industry. meanwhile, downing street says the job losses are not a result of the prime minister's net zero target. rishi sunak , saying he target. rishi sunak, saying he remains committed to british steelmaking . steelmaking. >> the government provided half £1 billion to support tata

. >> that's matthew laza and top pollster matt goodwin is on the show for the first time.ng on chris akabusi. he'll make you laugh . we've also got the sister laugh. we've also got the sister of joey essex, that's frankie essex, she's on the show for the first time and he's back. adam brooks, the landlord and i can confirm he is five foot ten, but first let's go to the . first let's go to the. news >> good evening. your top stories from the gb newsroom. tata steel has confirmed up to 2008 hundred jobs will be affected by its plan to close furnaces at its port talbot. the cuts will be made over the next 18 months as the company transitions to a greener way of working , the unite union says working, the unite union says it's ready to use everything in its armoury to protect staff and defend the industry . meanwhile, defend the industry. meanwhile, downing street says the job losses are not a result of the prime minister's net zero target. rishi sunak , saying he target. rishi sunak, saying he remains committed to british

i'm going to speaking goodwin to be speaking to matt goodwin about a little later.both leaders? what are reforms both and reforms chances both with and without and without nigel farage? um, and also going to be quizzing also i'm going to be quizzing a host ministers about some of host of ministers about some of these stories. so yes, rwanda, these stories. so yes, rwanda, the reported the bbc have reported effectively that there's some paperwork to suggest rishi paperwork to suggest that rishi sunak really a fully sunak wasn't ever really a fully fledged supporter of the rwanda deal fledged supporter of the rwanda deal. treasury hat on, deal. with his treasury hat on, he felt that it would all be too expensive. to be fair. it's costing millions and we still haven't sent anybody rwanda, haven't sent anybody to rwanda, haven't sent anybody to rwanda, have maybe that have we? so maybe that is justified, it's quite justified, but it's quite difficult the prime minister difficult for the prime minister to argue policy that to argue for a policy that people think he doesn

. >> our pollster, matt goodwin, said last night that reform could overtake the conservatives.true, i don't know, but always a possibility in seats that's not in seats . so there you go. in seats. so there you go. >> first past post for years, nick, tom and emily. lots to pack that program. we'll be pack into that program. we'll be watching midday. you watching from midday. thank you so for now you are so much. but for now you are with britain's newsroom on gb news. got lots coming up news. we've got lots coming up for in next 20 minutes, for you in the next 20 minutes, so don't go perspectives that i and people that i knew had dewbs & co that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> in 2024, gb news is britain's election channel. >> come and join me this thursday in scunthorpe live by scanning the qr code or going on gbnews.com to get your ticket for the event , we'll be for the event, we'll be discussing things like why the green agenda is risking jobs in places like scunthorpe . welcome back. >> the time is 1142 now. tomorrow marks holocaust memorial day where everyone i

. >> i'm looking at matt goodwin, one of the pollsters familiar to this channel, who's done a bit ofvative voters are going, and thinks that about and he he thinks that about 15% of those 2019 tories who voted for boris johnson, mainly older, pro—brexit, are defecting , going pro—brexit, are defecting, going to reform. how are you going to bnng to reform. how are you going to bring over the younger voters, richard, as well? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> look, we've got a appeal to as many people as possible. young voters are being utterly shafted crisis shafted by the housing crisis caused mass immigration. so caused by mass immigration. so we've got to freeze that. that'll big difference that'll make a big difference there. second thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo second thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many second thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many young1d thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many young peoplei is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many young people are far too many young people are being conned go to the ponzi being

>> academic and professor of politics matt goodwin joins us now. matt. >> yeah. well there's two figures that stand out for me this morning. one is the conservatives on 20. that's a historic low. if that was replicated at the election, we're talking about a bigger wipe—out than 1997. but as you rightly say, the second big statistic is this widespread disillusionment with potential success was to rishi sunak, 51% saying none of them . now, to me, saying none of them. now, to me, if the conservative party it is a brand, think about it like a brand. well, it's got a very big brand. well, it's got a very big brand problem because lots of people out there are saying i don't really care who leads this party. i'm not really finding it appealing at all. and just lastly, if i was in number 10, the fact that nigel farage comes out at the top of this list would also perhaps give me some cause for concern, because, as we know, nigel farage is not even currently an mp and as far as i'm aware, is not a member of the conservative party. so this is just very news