joining us now, presidential historian michael beschloss.'t mean it that way. but that's the way it came out. it changed history, because it changed the course of the campaign. >> carter won the presidency in 1976, as you know, by a hair breadth. if ford had not made a statement like that, he probably would have been re-elected president and the arc of history would have changed. what he was trying to say is the united states will not accept domination. but people heard him say, soviets don't don't nature eastern europe. maybe ford, who is boasting about his foreign policy, is not as smart as we thought he was. >> let's listen to 1988, the last debate between massachusetts governor michael dukakis against vice president george h.w. bush. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> i don't. i think you know i opposed the death penalty during all of my life. i don't see any evidence for a deterrent. there are more faekeffective wao deal with violent crime. >> there were

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also with us, author and nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. willie, if possible, this d-day 80 years later, also so poignant but also so current to our own challenges today in ukraine, in israel, and even in america's own elections. >> it is. we'll hear those themes in a speech from president biden at normandy in a short while from now. 80 years, think about these young men, and they were mostly men, you know, 17, 18 years old on d-day. now in their late 90s. it is incredibly moving to see them return to this sacred place. we have a great group assembled to talk about the meaning of this day. as you say, 80 years ago. we'll do that in a moment. let's begin in paris where we find kelly o'donnell traveling with the president. what theme do we expect to hear from president biden in just a bit here? >> certainly, we'll hear how the history folds over into a relevant, new way for the times we live in now, and history teaches lessons about what was at stake then and what could arguably be at stake now, especially here in europe where there is a war

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. >>> ruth ben-ghiat, michael beschloss, lisa rubin are back with us. was saying made me think about the fact that i think a lot of americans out here really believe that donald trump won't be able to go as rogue as he is saying. he will not be able to be a dictator on day one throughout his presidency because there are guardrails to stop him. i am most concerned about the fact that there are no guardrails. there are no guardrails for donald trump. ruth ben-ghiat -- michael beschloss, under this current congress will not be a guard rail let alone republicans of congress. that she does speaker of the house was one of the cheerleaders of the stop the steal movement. the supreme court is not going to be a guard rail. we are still waiting for the immunity decision. the guardrails do not exist. who the president is matters and staff will be a guard rail because donald trump will not hire people that will try to hold him accountable like the generals of his last administration. >> take everything donald trump says extremely seriously. you are absolutely right

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author and nbc news presidential historian, michael beschloss.ws and political analyst, former senator claire mccaskill. can't wait to hear from all of you in this second hour of "morning joe." >> and we won't go into it as much as the first hour, but if you're just tuning in, i have to say, mika, i agree with gavin newsom on many things. joe biden has the best job numbers in the last 40 years. dollar is stronger than anytime in the last 50 years. nato has expanded and is more powerful than it's ever been since its founding in the 1940s. america militarily is stronger relative to the rest of the world than it's been probably since 1945. our economy is stronger relative to the rest of the world than it's been in a very, very long time. probably since the 1980s. there is no doubt that joe biden has done a great job getting bipartisan legislation through, that republicans and democrats said he could never get through. he knows how to do this job. the question joe biden, jill biden, the family, friends need to ask themselves are not whether he's up f

michael beschloss joins us, and the panel is still here.the start. >> careen is a good word. i'm not sure the president's press secretary will like that, but -- >> what are you thinking about? what i'm thinking about is two things, nicolle. number one, you look at history, these debates can decide who will be the president. the first debate was in 1960. john kennedy/richard nixon, cbs studio in chicago. at that time kennedy was very little known, going in again a two-term vice president to dwight eisenhower, richard nixon who debated khrushchev the previous year. instead, by the end of that debate, kennedy had demonstrated that nom could he go toe to toe with nixon, and had actually done better, many thought. kennedy said not for that television debate, i never would have been elected president. i think that's right. so there's consequences and stakes, not to put on any pressure on what's going to happen in 3 1/2 hours, but that's what we'll by watching. some of us with one hand over one eye, i'm afraid. the other thing is more important ke

joining me now is michael beschloss, good to see you twice today. >> my honor. >> let's start with eugene lot of differences . >> right, first of all debs of course was a socialist and not a nominee of one of the two major policies and he was in prison on a matter of principle because woodrow wilson had passed when i would agree with debs, which were repressive laws against americans, free expression, during world war i and he had violated this to show his peaceful protest and he was jailed. and so he campaigned from prison but he wasn't saying, this system is rigged and i've been a victim of unfairness by a prosecutor or a judge or jury's, what debs said was i did this as a statement of conscious and people should understand why i'm doing that and factor that into your vote and actually got quite a few votes. >> it's a pole position, if i were a supporter of donald trump, could i say that he is taking a principled position. he called himself a political prisoner of a failing nation. i don't know, gandhi comes to mind, nelson mandela comes to mind, there are lots of those, what is your re

michael beschloss, it's good to see you. let's start with eugene v. debs.t of differences between him and what's going on with trump?>> first of all, he was a socialist and not a nominee of one of the two major parties. and he was in prison on a matter of principle. woodrow wilson had passed. what i would agree with eugene debs, was free expression during world war i and he violated this to show his peaceful protest and he was jailed. so he campaigned from prison, but he wasn't saying that the system is rigged and i've been a victim of unfairness by a prosecutor or a judge or jury's. what he said was, i did this as a statement of conscience and people should understand why i'm here and factor that into your vote. and he got quite a few votes. >> a principal position. if i were a supporter of trump, could i say he's taking a principled position? last night he called himself a political prisoner of a failing nation. i don't know, nelson mandela comes to mind. martin luther king was a political prisoner. what is your reaction to trump calling himself a politic

michael beschloss, we've been saying it's new york city and donald trump came out and set it only goto untrue as you pointed out. >> if you look at the makeup of the jury, which donald trump and his legal team had a say in selecting the jurors because that's how the system works. they struck and chose jurors. as many of the jurors, the 12th you see there, got their news from truth social, as msnbc, one each. a lot of them said fox news a wall street journal. the point being they consume news from a wide spectrum. they come from different backgrounds. some of them, perhaps, had some affection for donald trump. so they listened, as chris said, to the evidence and made a decision unanimously within our system that he was guilty on all 34 counts and am curious from your point of view of history of the way our system in the last five or six years has bent but not broken. we talked about those trials around the 2020 election of january 6. yes, the system was pushed. the system was tested by donald trump. a man who is still here. and i think it's safe to say the test will continue for the ne

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and joining me now is historian michael beschloss. you've studied past presidents, we've both watched debates. >> sure. >> there is a precedent, most striking, of course, is probably lbj, march 31st, 1968. >> yes, lyndon johnson basically tried to keep the power he had by resisting possibly being defeated by robert kennedy in the primaries, but more than that, he wanted to choose his successor, and he chose hubert humphrey, if humphrey had been elected lost by a narrow margin humphrey would have probably looked to johnson for the next four years for a lot of advice. >> and, what did lady bird johnson tell you about the reason that he chose to basically step aside? >> well, it was sort of mysterious at the time. i said, why was it? and she said, lyndon promised me, you know, he had a massive heart attack in 1955. he would only serve one term. and i was worried that a another term would kill him, and sure enough, lbj died two days after the term he would have served had he run for reelection. >> the example of dwight eisenhower, several