joining me now is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california, and michael waldman, president and ceo of the brennan center for justice at nyu school of law and the author of "the super majority, how the supreme court divided america." normally, i would defer to the congressman first, but i'm going to come here to the table to michael waldman, because you wrote about this before. you have talked through this scenario. i think when folks saw that article in newsweek, they thought that would never happen. could that happen? ? well, we have learned we need to be imaginative about what could be done because things we never thought were possible happened in 2020 and before. and so we need to look at all these ways that in our country, unlike other democracies, there's no umpire who says, oh, yeah, this person won, that person won. neutral and respected. it turns out to be this very slapdash system going back many years where you can manipulate things. there's good news. even mike johnson. even this election denier who no one heard of who is now the speaker is constrained by this la