over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir. _ helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir.ds of pounds per annum, which is obviously small beer in the context, but would be a handy bit of extra income. i be a handy bit of extra income. i think that's a very material sum of money _ on top of that there were charges for witnesses to appear in court and provide their evidence. we understand for example that in the trial of tracy fell stood there was a charge of £20,000. for a witness to attend court it was neverin for a witness to attend court it was never in fact paid but that was the proposed sum of money. have you ever looked into or found proposed sum of money. have you ever looked into orfound out proposed sum of money. have you ever looked into or found out about how much money fujitsu charged for the services of garethjenkins much money fujitsu charged for the services of gareth jenkins for example as a witness over the years? no, i have not. example as a witness over the years? no. i have not-— no, i have not. would you accept litiaation no, i have not. would you accep

really incredible experiences next to graves is paige alexander, who is the chief executive officer of the carter center, and she contacted us a while ago and told us that she'd be in grand rapids and we'd like to get together. and we immediately saw the opportunity and said, well, if we can put her on our stage, we should definitely be putting her on our stage. and we're like, well, in late august, will it work? and lo and behold, that has worked so thank you, paige, for coming to grand rapids and welcome to the ford museum. we're thrilled to have you here. i'd like to begin tonight's panel with just a few comments, and then i'm going to ask questions of paige and gleaves, and they'll take it over from there. for the most part. it is a concerning political moment. i think most of you know, in our country today, if you look at some of the polling data that we have, a majority of americans believe that we are already in the middle of a civil war in this country. it's a cold civil war, but it's a civil war nonetheless. a majority of people who had voted to elect to reelect president trum