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mr. butler said that all took place on june 3, 2022. later that same day one of trump's lawyers provided investigators with what he said was the entirety of classified documents that remain o in mr. trump's possession as well as a sworn certification that falsely claimed on trump's behalf that he and team trump had conducted a diligent search of boxes and all responsive documents had been turned over. what brian butler is now asserting here is pretty explosive. not only did trump apparently hideaway at least 105 classified documents the fbi eventually found, it sure sounds like trump managed to steal another 10 to 15 boxes of records, and we don'ts, know if the fbi ever go those records back. who knows where those boxes are now. that sure sounds like obstruction of justice. what is equally concerning here is why brian butler decided to go public right now. here he was explaining his decision. >> well, i mean, it's been almost a year since fbi agents showed up at my house when my wife was at home, and, you know, over the course of the la
mr. butler said that all took place on june 3, 2022. later that same day one of trump's lawyers provided investigators with what he said was the entirety of classified documents that remain o in mr. trump's possession as well as a sworn certification that falsely claimed on trump's behalf that he and team trump had conducted a diligent search of boxes and all responsive documents had been turned over. what brian butler is now asserting here is pretty explosive. not only did trump apparently...
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he and his co-defendant asked mr. butler to get mr. nauta a big suv and escalate. butler son nauta and trumps other co-defendant load the vehicle up with 10 to 15 bankers boxes and then drive them to trump's plane and then load those boxes onto the plane. mr. butler said that all took place on june 3, 2022. now, later that same day, one of trump's lawyers provided investigators with what he said was the entirety of classified documents that remained in mr. trump's possession, as well as a sworn certification that falsely claimed on trump's behalf that he and team trump had conducted a diligent search of boxes and all responsive documents had been turned over. so what brian butler is now asserting here is pretty explosive. not only did trump apparently hideaway at least 105 classified documents that the fbi eventually found, it sure sounds like trump managed to steal another 10 to 15 boxes of records, and we don't know if the fbi ever got those records back. who knows where those boxes are now? that sure sounds like obstruction of justice. what is equally concerning
he and his co-defendant asked mr. butler to get mr. nauta a big suv and escalate. butler son nauta and trumps other co-defendant load the vehicle up with 10 to 15 bankers boxes and then drive them to trump's plane and then load those boxes onto the plane. mr. butler said that all took place on june 3, 2022. now, later that same day, one of trump's lawyers provided investigators with what he said was the entirety of classified documents that remained in mr. trump's possession, as well as a sworn...
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now mr. butler is revealed, which is new. he spoke to federal prosecutors.has the testimony that jack smith and his investigators think is relevant to prosecuting and possibly incarcerating former president trump, and brian butler is our special guest appearing on msnbc for the first time tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you, ari. >> appreciate it. you know a lot of things that people are interested in. let's start with you. why are you choosing to come forward and speak out now? >> so, you know, it weighed on me. it was march 8th, i believe, of 2023 when investigators first came to talk to me. i was not home. i was out with carlos at the time, and, you know, it's been up and down since then. so i did not plan on speaking out publicly, and then about three, four weeks ago i was reading the news, reading the court filings and they were going to release the witness list for all the witnesses. so at that point i said, oh. so, you know, ultimately i said, let me jump in front of this. i thought it would be better to tell my side than it just coming ou
now mr. butler is revealed, which is new. he spoke to federal prosecutors.has the testimony that jack smith and his investigators think is relevant to prosecuting and possibly incarcerating former president trump, and brian butler is our special guest appearing on msnbc for the first time tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you, ari. >> appreciate it. you know a lot of things that people are interested in. let's start with you. why are you choosing to come forward and speak...
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>> well, this individual, mr. butler's going to be a crucial prosecution witness. you can see that just in kaitlan's interview of him, this is what prosecutors want in a witness. do you want someone who's inside this man was inside mar-a-lago. he was there when boxes were being packed and moved around. he does not appear to have any credibility problem towards trump. he doesn't. in contrast, when you see michael cohen, michael cohen makes no no secret of the fact that he did spices trump. he talks about it all day long. this mr. butler's seems like he's if anything, loyal to trump and sort of bothered by the fact that he's going to be a witness that happens, but that makes for a more powerful witness in court. so i think mr. butler think caitlin gave us a good preview of what his testimony is going to be do you like in court? >> trump employee number five by five. i like his real name better than mr. trump, employee number five, viewed our krystyna, the hush money case in new york is, you know, you've been watching very closely as well it's been delayed. i mean, th
>> well, this individual, mr. butler's going to be a crucial prosecution witness. you can see that just in kaitlan's interview of him, this is what prosecutors want in a witness. do you want someone who's inside this man was inside mar-a-lago. he was there when boxes were being packed and moved around. he does not appear to have any credibility problem towards trump. he doesn't. in contrast, when you see michael cohen, michael cohen makes no no secret of the fact that he did spices trump....
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butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, i rise today on the final day recognizing plaque history month to bring attention to this chamber and to the american people watching the■t very harml and antidemocratic practice of book banning happening or being attempted in states all over our country. mr. president, the first amendment in our constitution is clear. congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievance this amendment gives all americans the right to speak, publish, and read what they wish, free from government censorship, but a nationwide campaign in states like florida, utah, north dakota, and even california has been deployed to limit our children's learning and enforce one of our most fundamental freedoms. right now extremist politicians are working overtime to strip our nation's book shelves of
butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, i rise today on the final day recognizing plaque history month to bring attention to this chamber and to the american people watching the■t very harml and antidemocratic practice of book banning happening or being attempted in states all over our country. mr. president, the first amendment in our constitution is clear. congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or...
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butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, i rise today on the final day recognizing plaque history month to bring attention to this chamber and to the american people watching the very harmful and antidemocratic practice of book banning happening or being attempted in states all over our country. mr. president, the first amendment in our constitution is clear. congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the government for redress of grievances. this amendment gives all americans the right to speak, publish, and read what they wish, free from government censorship, but a nationwide campaign in states like florida, utah, north dakota, and even california has been deployed to limit our children's learning and enforce restrictions on one of our most fundamental freedoms. right now extremist politicians are working overtime to strip our nation
butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, i rise today on the final day recognizing plaque history month to bring attention to this chamber and to the american people watching the very harmful and antidemocratic practice of book banning happening or being attempted in states all over our country. mr. president, the first amendment in our constitution is clear. congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or...
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butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr.dent, i ask unanimous consent that floor privileges be granted for the balance of the day for my interns, mr. daniel s some of the ria, site and phoebe perkins. the presiding officer: without objection. ms. butler: thank you, mr. president. ms. butler: mr. president, i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: the clerk: ms. baldwin. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, today i rise -- i'm sorry. i askrum call be vitiated. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. president. mr. president, today i rise honoring women's history month to once again bring attention to the destructive practice of book banning taking place all across our nation. at this time i am alsooing to be joined by my esteemed colleague, senator tina smith from minnesota. our nation's serves as a mirror, a window and a door to endless possibilities fuelling our imagination fostering empathy and challenging us to thin
butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr.dent, i ask unanimous consent that floor privileges be granted for the balance of the day for my interns, mr. daniel s some of the ria, site and phoebe perkins. the presiding officer: without objection. ms. butler: thank you, mr. president. ms. butler: mr. president, i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: the clerk: ms. baldwin. the presiding...
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we look forward to hearing more about mr. butler's version of events when he is under oath and we declined to try this case in the media. i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath because here's a spoiler alert. their office spokesman has also declined to comment but you know what, here's my question. i will be the first to admit to you tonight that i am always skeptical. there's not a therapist couch here to unpack just why i'm always got to live with the question is tonight why now? why is brian butler speaking out now while he says it's all about the election do you believe that this trial should happen before the election? >> i mean, i think the american people have the right to know the facts that this is not a witch hunt you think it's a fair investigation? >> absolutely. i mean to me, you have the law and order president attacking agents, the special counsel on an almost a daily basis. when these people are just taking their sworn sworn oath
we look forward to hearing more about mr. butler's version of events when he is under oath and we declined to try this case in the media. i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath because here's a spoiler alert. their office spokesman has also declined to comment but you know what, here's my question. i will be the first to admit to you tonight that i am always skeptical. there's not a therapist couch here to unpack...
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and walt nauta, the other defendants who did have direct conversations with mr. butler. i think they're also going to use there's this sort of standard argument, this person has incentives to try to please prosecutors that he got some sort of softball deal and i think ultimately the test for the jury will be a does the person appear credible? we've seen some of the video and i think our viewers will be able to make some of their own decision on that. and b, does the other evidence back him up? that'll be the crux of the battleground at trial. >> elie honig, thanks so much. kaitlan collins has much more of that exclusive interview coming up on the source that's tonight at 09:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn on capitol hill house, republicans released a new report today in an effort to discredit the january 6 committee. and one of its star witnesses, cassidy hutchinson you might remember her dramatic, although secondhand account of a physical altercation that took place or so she was told she says between trump and a secret service agent the president reached up towards th
and walt nauta, the other defendants who did have direct conversations with mr. butler. i think they're also going to use there's this sort of standard argument, this person has incentives to try to please prosecutors that he got some sort of softball deal and i think ultimately the test for the jury will be a does the person appear credible? we've seen some of the video and i think our viewers will be able to make some of their own decision on that. and b, does the other evidence back him up?...
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. >> and kaitlan collins, did mr. butler's say he felt any pressure at all from trump or mar-a-lago or anyone affiliated with the former president to not cooperate with special counsel jack smith's team it maybe not have been may not was explicit. is that j but what he felt pressure on was the attorney and the reason this is so critical eggs, there's a very clear divide when you look at this case of who has an attorney that is being paid by trump world and who is paying for their own and the divergent paths that they have taken on this misley, carlos de oliveira, who was his very close friend that kaitlan mentioned there. he has an attorney who is being paid for by trump's world. he is someone who was indicted in that superseding indictment. and i should note that these two have not spoken since then he was indicted in that for lying to federal investigators about what he knew and what he saw brian butler on the other hand, said that he faced repeated requests and attempts to try to keep him in that trump fold when it
. >> and kaitlan collins, did mr. butler's say he felt any pressure at all from trump or mar-a-lago or anyone affiliated with the former president to not cooperate with special counsel jack smith's team it maybe not have been may not was explicit. is that j but what he felt pressure on was the attorney and the reason this is so critical eggs, there's a very clear divide when you look at this case of who has an attorney that is being paid by trump world and who is paying for their own and...
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this is butler describing the australian billionaire, mr. pratt. >> i believe it was april of 2021, there was a member, anthony pratt, who he was coming -- he flew in the night before. >> he's an australian billionaire. >> he finishes his meeting with the former president, gets in the car, and his chief of staff says, how did the meeting go? pratt without saying says, he told me, and it would be u.s. military, you know, classified information of what he told him about russian submarines and u.s. submarines. and that's really all i remember hearing and i go, what. i remember thinking, what? i'm in the car, did i just hear that? it wasn't like, he went straight to the point. he told me that the must subs and with the russian subs and you know, something that would more than likely in my mind be classified. >> so anthony pratt, this australian billionaire you're talking about, he would pay a lot of money to come and have these new year's eve parties. >> so, so it might cost $1,000, $1,500 per person. he was giving $1 million. and i think at the
this is butler describing the australian billionaire, mr. pratt. >> i believe it was april of 2021, there was a member, anthony pratt, who he was coming -- he flew in the night before. >> he's an australian billionaire. >> he finishes his meeting with the former president, gets in the car, and his chief of staff says, how did the meeting go? pratt without saying says, he told me, and it would be u.s. military, you know, classified information of what he told him about russian...
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butler. >> this is quite a newsweek as we all know. i was curious your take on what the democratic strategy should be there? it's clear from reporting that republicans want to bring up the age issue again. what do you think the democrats should do here? >> well, look i am concerned that he resigned the day before and that he has been prepping apparently was trump orbit people. he was appointed by donald trump and the reason i am concerned about that is if he were still an employee, he would be obligated to adhere to the rules placed on him by the department of justice. now as a private citizen he does not have the same obligations and is strange that he would desperate. is being prepped by trump officials or trump associates then this feels much more political than special counsel should otherwise be and frankly that's what i saw in his entire report. not just about the gratuitous age references, and adjusts about his editorial. >> that report does not contain the factual basis to make the conclusions that he makes. even though you dec
butler. >> this is quite a newsweek as we all know. i was curious your take on what the democratic strategy should be there? it's clear from reporting that republicans want to bring up the age issue again. what do you think the democrats should do here? >> well, look i am concerned that he resigned the day before and that he has been prepping apparently was trump orbit people. he was appointed by donald trump and the reason i am concerned about that is if he were still an employee,...
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how does mr. butler play into all of this? >> mr.shows up in the indictment with six different references across two paragraphs. none of those paragraphs relate to the incident we were watching as he described to cnn. nothing about the indictment details how boxes got from mar-a-lago to bedminster. it makes a passing reference. the statement made to cnn is not part of what donald trump has been charged with, what walt nauta has been charged with. it is interesting to hear him provide this additional detail that isn't part of the case as we understand it. >> why do you suspect he sat for that interview? why did he want to go public and tell-all these details? he got into his relationship with donald trump, how he doesn't trust donald trump, think he is a bad guy. what is he up to here? >> he worked there for 20 years. on one hand, it is interesting to say he doesn't trust trump now. on the other hand, i think part of the motivation is he might believe his name is about to be disclosed. you might recall that judge canon ordered the uns
how does mr. butler play into all of this? >> mr.shows up in the indictment with six different references across two paragraphs. none of those paragraphs relate to the incident we were watching as he described to cnn. nothing about the indictment details how boxes got from mar-a-lago to bedminster. it makes a passing reference. the statement made to cnn is not part of what donald trump has been charged with, what walt nauta has been charged with. it is interesting to hear him provide this...
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butler again on tv. you have said that if donald trump doesn't win, he is going to jail. you are confident that these trials are actually going to happen? >> well, i am confident that it will happen at some point if he is not the elected. if he is not the president-elect of the united states or the president before they go to trial. but to the extent that they do go to trial, and assuming he loses when they go to trial, he will definitely go to jail. >> we have learned recently that two of donald trump associates is going back to jail, peter navarro is. given how well you know donald trump, does that scare him? or does he just immediately disassociate himself with them and say they are problem, not mine. >> i think weisel is a little bit of a different person to trump land peter navarro. i think navarro was a loyalist. they didn't have a pre-existing relationship. and you know, he sort of let everybody out to hang in terms of the carnage that he left behind. with weisel burke, though, he was a very loyal soldier. and i think trump does have some angst about that but not i
butler again on tv. you have said that if donald trump doesn't win, he is going to jail. you are confident that these trials are actually going to happen? >> well, i am confident that it will happen at some point if he is not the elected. if he is not the president-elect of the united states or the president before they go to trial. but to the extent that they do go to trial, and assuming he loses when they go to trial, he will definitely go to jail. >> we have learned recently that...
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mr. butler is revealed, which is new. federal prosecutors and has the testimony that jack smith and investigators think is relevant to prosecuting and possibly incarcerating former president trump. he is our special guest for the first time tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> you know a lot of things that people are interested in. let's start with you. why are you choosing to come forward and speak out now? >> it weighed on me. it was march 8 of 2023 when investigators first came to talk to me. i was not home. i was out with carlos at the time. it has been up and down since then. i did not plan on speaking out publicly. then, about three or four weeks ago i was reading the news and reading the court filings and they were going to release the witness list. at that point ultimately i said let me jump in front of this. i thought it would be better to tell my side that it just coming out in the news publicly without me having a say or anything. >> right. you have been around some of this process probably with
mr. butler is revealed, which is new. federal prosecutors and has the testimony that jack smith and investigators think is relevant to prosecuting and possibly incarcerating former president trump. he is our special guest for the first time tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> you know a lot of things that people are interested in. let's start with you. why are you choosing to come forward and speak out now? >> it weighed on me. it was march 8 of 2023 when...
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butler about loading boxes to get them to new jersey and all the other incriminating information that he revealed that we did not know until he revealed that, all of that coming together at the same time as this hearing. >> it is really very sad. we could be all kinds of emotions. but, it is sad the former president has come out as such a person of lacking of any decency. certainly his memory is slipping. he has been under a 40-count indictment for all of the things he has done in terms of the documents at mar-a-lago. so the contrast is extraordinarily striking. and mr. hur in his record alone, he himself, and that is why i asked him to read part of his report. points out the stark contrast between the two gentlemen and how they handle documents. >> donald trump cannot tell you when he married any of his wives or how long he was married to any of his wives or how long he has been married to his third and current wife. he doesn't know that. that is not information he knows and you can be absolutely certain there will never be a headline anywhere about that failure of donald trump's mem
butler about loading boxes to get them to new jersey and all the other incriminating information that he revealed that we did not know until he revealed that, all of that coming together at the same time as this hearing. >> it is really very sad. we could be all kinds of emotions. but, it is sad the former president has come out as such a person of lacking of any decency. certainly his memory is slipping. he has been under a 40-count indictment for all of the things he has done in terms...
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butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, i rise today on the final day recognizing plaque history month to bring attention to this chamber and to the american people watching the very harmful and antidemocratic practice of book banning happening or being attempted in states all over our country. mr. president, the first
butler: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from california. ms. butler: mr. president, i rise today on the final day recognizing plaque history month to bring attention to this chamber and to the american people watching the very harmful and antidemocratic practice of book banning happening or being attempted in states all over our country. mr. president, the first
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but really this is something that could have been handled very simply as to mr. butler's testimony quite frankly, i think that the judge is probably not going to allow him to say a lot of those things in trial because all of these really saying is that there were white bankers boxes. let me tell you something. >> i've >> searched trump tower. there are a lot of white bankers boxes that look very much the same because you can buy them at staples. and he uses them for old real estate documents, campaign documents all sorts of things. some of the documents in the neck national archives right now are full of documents that all post-state the presidency things go into march of 2021. >> so >> the idea that because there's white-box, is that must be classified documents. yeah. that's a stretch that i don't think the judge would ever allow them to get to a jury i think the part of what he shared with cnn that was significant wasn't necessarily the fact that these were bankers boxes, but the way that >> the trump team approached him about handling them, and whether that r
but really this is something that could have been handled very simply as to mr. butler's testimony quite frankly, i think that the judge is probably not going to allow him to say a lot of those things in trial because all of these really saying is that there were white bankers boxes. let me tell you something. >> i've >> searched trump tower. there are a lot of white bankers boxes that look very much the same because you can buy them at staples. and he uses them for old real estate...
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butler. >> this is quite a newsweek i think as we all know. he is testifying tomorrow. the democratic strategy should be there. it's clear that republicans want to bring up the age issue. they asked why biden was not also treated the same way in their view as trump. ludicrous. what do you think the democrats should do here? >> locke, i am concerned that he resigned the day before, that he has been prepping apparently with trump orbit people. he was appointed by donald trump. the reason i am concerned by that is that if he were still an employee at the department of justice, he would be obligated to adhere to the rules, regulations and restrictions placed upon him by the department of justice. as a private citizen, he does not have these same obligations. it is strange that he would resign the night before or the day before his public testimony as a trump appointed u.s. attorney who was then appointed to be special counsel by merrick garland. and he is being prepped by trump officials or trump associates. this feels much more political than a special counsel should other
butler. >> this is quite a newsweek i think as we all know. he is testifying tomorrow. the democratic strategy should be there. it's clear that republicans want to bring up the age issue. they asked why biden was not also treated the same way in their view as trump. ludicrous. what do you think the democrats should do here? >> locke, i am concerned that he resigned the day before, that he has been prepping apparently with trump orbit people. he was appointed by donald trump. the...
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butler about loading boxes to get them to new jersey and all the other incriminating information that he revealed that we did not know in that interview. all that coming together. >> and it is very sad that we could be angry and it is really sad that the former president has come out as such, i'm sorry, am i frozen? i'm sorry if i am. and such a person of lacking of any decency. and certainly his memory is slipping. there are some serious problems. he has been under a 40-count indictment for all the things he did in terms of documents. so the contrast is extraordinarily striking and in his report alone, he, himself, and that is why i asked him to read a part of his report to point out the stark contrast between the two documents and how they handle documents. >> and donald trump cannot tell you when he married any of his wives or how long he was married to any of his wives and how long he's been married to his third and current wife. he doesn't know that. that's not information he knows. and there will never be, you can be absolutely certain that there will never be a headline anywher
butler about loading boxes to get them to new jersey and all the other incriminating information that he revealed that we did not know in that interview. all that coming together. >> and it is very sad that we could be angry and it is really sad that the former president has come out as such, i'm sorry, am i frozen? i'm sorry if i am. and such a person of lacking of any decency. and certainly his memory is slipping. there are some serious problems. he has been under a 40-count indictment...
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it could make him a very effective witness, but there's a lot we don't know about mr. butler yet and no doubt donald while trump's lawyers are focusing on his record at mar-a-lago and his background is personal history under putting all that under a microscope, if we find out later that he was terminated for some reason that there's some sort of grievance between he and the former president then that could undermine his testimony all right. >> yeah. and by the way, that's what important as well, because you think about it, the amount of time he has left until a trial is in my time. they have left to discredit him which i'm sure they're going to try to do. i'll see what happens. we'll watch it all very closely, guys. thank you very, very much. and you can see more of kaitlan collins exclusive interview on the source later tonight 09:00 p.m. eastern. and laura, of course, we'll be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern later tonight to acre hershko, laura coates live just ahead. the nation's leading spies are out of the open today with us intelligence now saying the country is facin
it could make him a very effective witness, but there's a lot we don't know about mr. butler yet and no doubt donald while trump's lawyers are focusing on his record at mar-a-lago and his background is personal history under putting all that under a microscope, if we find out later that he was terminated for some reason that there's some sort of grievance between he and the former president then that could undermine his testimony all right. >> yeah. and by the way, that's what important...
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what can mr. butler now expect now that he's put a face to these accusations, he's put himself out there for trump and his fans to attack >> well, abby, i do think that his disclosures are brave because it takes a lot to turn against president of the united states or a former president of the united states, especially when it's one that is this as vindictive as donald trump is, not just me, but a lot of other people i know who've done this have lost homes and jobs and life savings and their families have been threatened for doing this. and in this case, a very, very significant case of national security, brian butler has turned again as his former boss, and he can expect those types of repercussions and i'm sure that donald trump and his allies will try to do the same thing in mob boss. like fashion as they've done to other people. so i would commend him, but i also think there's a bigger lesson here, abby, and that's for people who are still in the ex-president's or a bit that it's never too late
what can mr. butler now expect now that he's put a face to these accusations, he's put himself out there for trump and his fans to attack >> well, abby, i do think that his disclosures are brave because it takes a lot to turn against president of the united states or a former president of the united states, especially when it's one that is this as vindictive as donald trump is, not just me, but a lot of other people i know who've done this have lost homes and jobs and life savings and...
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it came from mr. de olivera. and so they'll say it's secondhand, it's not as compelling against donald trump, but as carrie said, it appears this person, mr. butler but it does not have any of criminal liability. doj did not make him plead guilty to a charge. what he probably has as either a non-prosecution agreement, which sort of is what it sounds like, or immunity which is a formal agreement where they say, you're going to testify in your words, won't be used to prosecute you. and so i think there's another line of cross-examination that you're just telling prosecutor here's what they want to hear to save your own hide >> all right. elie, carrie, katelyn, thanks very much in kept kaitlan's catch kaitlan full interview with former trump employee, brian butler, the top of the next hour on her program. the source right here on cnn 09:00 p.m. now, the criminal trial that's scheduled to begin just two weeks from today. that's when jury selection is set to stardom and district attorney alvin bragg's case against the
it came from mr. de olivera. and so they'll say it's secondhand, it's not as compelling against donald trump, but as carrie said, it appears this person, mr. butler but it does not have any of criminal liability. doj did not make him plead guilty to a charge. what he probably has as either a non-prosecution agreement, which sort of is what it sounds like, or immunity which is a formal agreement where they say, you're going to testify in your words, won't be used to prosecute you. and so i think...
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butler talking about the ways in which trump tried to hide the documents from the government, putting him on a plane instead, and trying to delete footage. there's nothing like that in the hur report right no. i mean, the deleting footage aspect of this and that separate that all of that. it's still sort of defies the imagination, although i know not your imagination, stephanie, i mean, all of this, even even the phone call that you heard butler just talking about on vacation together and trump calls and offers to get him a lawyer that that also rings true to you >> absolutely. again, it's kind of this mob bunker mentality that we will pay for your lawyer. we will take care of you. you stick with us and no one can touch you. again, this guy i assume is paying for his own attorney or maybe his attorneys doing it in kind, but it's scary and it cost you a lot of money to speak out as being a lot of money, david, there's less of it, not so much at the rnc because it comes all of these developments as trump's having trouble fundraising. we've just found out that the rnc is doing mass layof
butler talking about the ways in which trump tried to hide the documents from the government, putting him on a plane instead, and trying to delete footage. there's nothing like that in the hur report right no. i mean, the deleting footage aspect of this and that separate that all of that. it's still sort of defies the imagination, although i know not your imagination, stephanie, i mean, all of this, even even the phone call that you heard butler just talking about on vacation together and trump...
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we are likely to see more and more witnesses identified, maybe some coming forward voluntarily, like mr. butler did yesterday, and that will initiate a process for them personally, there's little subject them to unbelievable scrutiny from the defense team. donald trump's lawyers will go well after each and every one of these people to uncover every stone that might have a negative fact underneath it in an effort to prepare for their ability to cross-examine these folks in the trial. and i'm just going to get very tough for them. >> he talked about the moment where you kind of exhaled when the special counsel's team said, by the way, all of your testimony has now been turned over its right to trump's lawyers, advocate. thank you for that. everybody standby up next. we are following today's other massive story is the former special counsel robert hur, and the other classified documents case as i told the house judiciary committee, why he neither indicted nor exonerated president biden over his handling of classified documents. we're going to speak to former for trump, deputy attorney gene
we are likely to see more and more witnesses identified, maybe some coming forward voluntarily, like mr. butler did yesterday, and that will initiate a process for them personally, there's little subject them to unbelievable scrutiny from the defense team. donald trump's lawyers will go well after each and every one of these people to uncover every stone that might have a negative fact underneath it in an effort to prepare for their ability to cross-examine these folks in the trial. and i'm...