moss and mrs. raven? >> the only thing that estate is the action against mr. giuliani. actions will proceed for through the appellate court in the district of columbia, taken care of by his other attorneys. if the state needs to be lifted we will request in sole purpose of filing the appeal. >> i do not believe that is necessarily the case. back to this issue of when it comes to the dischargeable nature were not in bankruptcy court. intentional willful misconduct, you are well aware that is not something that can be wiped away in bankruptcy. why are you keeping open this possibility like it is, considering qr an expert on bankruptcy law? >> first off the issue on whether or not that is dischargeable is up to a bankruptcy court to determine. whether or not a debt is dischargeable will be decided during a proceeding filed in bankruptcy court. at the moment that is obviously not pending before the court. if that comes through we will deal with that as we will deal with all the other creditors out there and the other litigations currently proceeding. >> it's pretty clear. a

i think the jury verdict proves we've heard enough from mr. giuliani and his friends. now what this week has been about and hopefully what the future is about, is hearing the truth, hearing the truth spoken to power. ms. freeman and ms. moss are so appreciative of the jury doing their civil duty and listening to what they have been through, which was very difficult for us all to hear. you know, not to even mention of course how difficult it was for them to experience it. so, they're very appreciative. they feel that this is an important step in the path forward justice, but money doesn't make you whole when your life is turned upside down. but we do believe that it is a powerful message to those sorts of people who would seek to target civil servants in the future. >> annie, really quick is he the last of litigants you think to be held to account? >> as mr. giuliani has said all week but didn't deliver on, stay tuned, and we will deliver. >> we'll see what that delivery will bring. annie larson thank you so much. >> thank you so much laura. >> all this is about what ha

>> the only thing that would be state is actually the actions against mr. giuliani.ct -- any appeal would be not state, proceeding forward for the appellate court or the circuit court and the district of columbia. and that will be taken care of by his other attorneys. if the state needs to be -- we can request, for the sole purpose of violently appeal. >> i don't believe that is necessarily the case in this case. but back to this issue of when it comes to the dischargeable nature, or not, in bankruptcy court. intentional, willful misconduct. you are well aware, that it's not actually something that can be wiped away in bankruptcy. so why are you keeping open this possibility like it is, considering you are an expert on bankruptcy law? >> first off, the issue on whether debt is dischargeable or not is obviously up to a bankruptcy court to determine and whether or not that is dischargeable will be decided through what's called an advisory proceeding that could be filed in the bankruptcy court. at the moment, that's obviously not painting before the court and off that c

here, relevant documents would be the reach of mr. giuliani's various podcasts and radio shows. relevant documents would have been emails between him and those who were ultimately found to be his co-conspirators, understanding what did they know and when. what did they believe the videos show and when? what mr. giuliani chose to do was to not engage in the most basic rules of discovery, and despite being given opportunity after opportunity over the course of nearly two years, the court did enter a default judgment with something that mr. goodman forgot to mention, two stipulations signed by mr. giuliani himself saying, "i would like to have a default judgment entered against me on liability." so -- >> really important to unpack that, which would have been obvious to a former u.s. attorney like rudy giuliani on that point. but i spent, i think, enough time thinking about his motivation. >> mm-hmm. >> and instead i want to focus on what the result has been to the people who a jury has found he owes damages to. ruby freeman says that even though you've got this amount, and it's a v

we know mr. giuliani doesn't seem to care about court orders. the utility is significant. so among other things, an injunction can stop anyone who is in active concert with mr. giuliani or any of his agents from violating a court injunction. in addition, an injunction is something that other people cannot assist mr. giuliani in violating. there's real teeth to an injunction. and we think it's going to be a powerful remedy and we're very serious about making sure that mr. giuliani finally stops spreading his lies about ms. freeman and ms. moss. >> thank you. i appreciate your time. >>> next, the software engineer who was hired by trump to prove widespread voter fraud is now finally speaking out. he's going to tell you what he uncovered and tell you why he wants to share it now. ken block is my guest. >>> breaking news, you're looking at a live picture of a volcanic eruption in southwest iceland. lava right now. hundreds of feet in the air, imagine it. 4,000 people have been safely evacuated. but this is what's going on right now. we'll haveve more comiming up. >>> tonight,

except for mr. giuliani. and the fact he went out there and spread lies, the very day that he learned, and came face to face, with that woman whose lives he ruined, shows his ottawa and capable of rehabilitation. so the jury answer that by slapping this enormous and rightfully deserve verdict on him. so, you know, we've already used his words against him and he absolutely should expect to hear from us if he continues to defend our clients. no options are off the table. >> and i heard one of your clients mention they might be interested in pursuing some other lawsuits against other figures part of all these lies after the 2020 election. might they sue donald trump? >> our clients have certainly shown they are willing to stand up and speak truth to power and to clear their names. so they are considering and evaluating all options at this point. >> all right, meryl conant governski, think you very much for your time this evening. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> best of luck to your client. >>> next

for one thing, this mosque claim that mr. giuliani's lies ruined her career. moss had worked for fulton county's election system for a decade. when she got the job she had she had during the 2020 election she said she was so excited that she literally dropped to her knees and cries in front of everyone. when asked why she loved that job so much, she replied that she knew it would make her grandmother proud. growing up all her life hearing stories about how as a black woman a lot of the women before her and her family did not have that right. and for moss, this wasn't just about her ideals in the abstract. it was a way to further those ideals in a real tangible way. miss moss works specifically with absentee voters, and here's how she described that work. the second thing i liked but my job is, the absentee, the mail-in ballots, the elderly, the disabled, people living permanently overseas, the military overseas, people away at college, basically anyone and able to come to the polls. i really enjoyed helping them exercise that right when they were in a position

it seeks to permanently bar mr. giuliani from persisting in his defamatory campaign against ruby freeman and shaye moss. michael gottlieb is one of the attorneys representing them. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on, rachel. >> what would this new lawsuit do that the first one didn't? >> so, the first suit was a suit for both damages and some other forms of relief like declaratory relief. this is a suit in which we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent mr. giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients that he has been making since december of 2020 and which he had a full opportunity to prove to be true if he chose so. he opted out. he defaulted and so after a finding by a jury awarding him damages we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the street that he has been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages that your clients obtained was not enough to stop him. how would a permanent injunction have more teeth in it than the

for one thing, this mosque claim that mr. giuliani's lies ruer career. moss had work for fulton county's election systemor a decade. when she got job she had she had during the 2020 election she said she was so excited that she literally dropped to her knees and cries these and cried for everyone. when she was asked why she loved that job so much, miles replied that she knew it would make her grandmother proud. going up all her life hearing stories about how as a black woman a lot of the women before her and her family did not have that right. and for moss, this wasn't just about her ideals in the abstract. it was a way to further those ideals in a real tangible way. miss moss works specifically with absentee voters, and here's how she described that work. the second thing i liked but my job is, the absentee mail-in ballots, the elderly, the disabled, people living permanently overseas, the military overseas, people away at college, basically anyone and able to come to the polls. i really enjoyed helping them exercise that right when they were in a posit

they're trying to end mr. giuliani. to deal with the money crunch, giuliani is trying to sell his three-bedroom manhattan apartment for $6.1 million and he was at one point offering to record video greetings for strangers on the website cameo. >> i could do a happy birthday greeting. >> this is a tragic opera, make no mistake, and it's self-inflicted at this stage. >> reporter: the man who took down the new york mafia, who turned around new york city's fortunes as mayor and who did at one time hold considerable personal wealth seems to have squandered it all for one man. >> he's destroyed his reputation and his independent financial foundation, all to help donald trump lie about an election. he threw it all away. >> a spokesman for giuliani declined to comment today on his current financial state. it's not clear at the moment if he'll be able to shield himself from some of the damages in this latest judgment against him by declaring bankruptcy. wolf? >> brian, thank you. >>> coming up, the friends star matthew perry's c

it 150eks to permanently bar mr.i from persisting in his defamatory campaign against ruby freeman and shaye moss. michael gottlieb is one of the attorneys representing them. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on. >> what would this new lawsuit do that the first one didn't? >> so, the first suit was a suit for both damages and some other forms of relief like declaratory relief. this is a suit in which we are seeking a permanent injunction to prevent mr. giuliani from saying the same false statements about our clients that he has been making since december of 2020 and which he had a full opportunity to prove to be true if he chose so. he opted out. he defaulted and so after a finding by a jury awarding him damages we don't believe he should be able to continue telling the same lies out on the street that he has been unable to defend and prove in court. >> the massive damages that your clients obtained was not enough to stop him. how would a permanent injunction have more teeth in it than the huge financial p

we are willing to follow mr. giuliani to the end of the earth, as lady ruby said, what mr.used, these two amazing brave heros, but we will do absolutely everything we can to give them -- to track the money down and try to enforce this judgment as best we can. >> do you know at this stage i mean how much money rudy giuliani has? i know he's being sued by more than $1 million in unpaid bills, his apartment in new york is on sale for more than $6 million, that's been sitting on the market for a while now. before today's judgment he owes your clients more than $600,000 for legal fees. how do you try to collect $148 million from someone like this? >> it is are interesting anderson, mr. giuliani had the chance to produce the evidence and he never did. out of court he has repeatedly claimed he is unable to pay. and every time throughout this entire litigation the court has held him to produce records, to substantiate that. he hasn't done that. he's had the opportunities to produce the records and he hasn't so i think, you know, at this point, the jury is still out as to whether th

so these things are well established, and they're also known to mr. giuliani, they're known to mr.mp, and yet they don't -- they continue. they continue. now, of course mr. trump, when he's under the gag order, he tones it down a little bit. but at the various times that gag order had been stayed for appeals and so on and so forth, he ramps it back up. and i do hope that this will send a message that this is not the kind of -- you can't just make up lies that harm people, that cause them to actually be threatened with physical violence and harassed, and this is just one example, right, we've seen this across so many other people, election workers, elected officials, people who aren't able, like ruby freeman and shaye moss who had lawyers willing to take this case for them and bring it to court, not every person is able to do that and i know people who've had to move out of their homes and relocate themselves, to move their children out of schools, because of threats they get, because of lies told about them by people who know better and are doing it for their own political purposes

accountability for democracy, for the big lie that mr. giuliani was so central to spreading. but, like miss ruby, moss, and freeman said, this does not make them whole. in fact, it is still sad to hear what they have to go through when they testified to her committee. they talked about how they received threats such as, you are lucky it is 2020 instead of 1920. those are threats full of racism, and bigotry, that mr. giuliani was at the center of spreading, of amplifying. so, while i am happy with the verdict today, it does not make them whole, and as they said in their statement, it is just the beginning to holding individuals uncountable. >> i will never forget their testimony before the january 6th committee. it was so searing. even watching them today, it is depressing what this has become. but, there are so many people who are embedded in these lies. donald trump, even, it has not walked away from them. alice, i mean, at what point does this add up to, just stop it? just walk away? >> unfortunately, the people who buy into the lie will not stop. what we saw today, thank g

mr. giuliani is saying these things. a website.ying these things because they believe people like mr. giuliani and ruby and shaye are true heros and have done this not just for themselves, but specifically for all the civil servants and election workers throughout and we should be thankful to them for their courage and bravery. >> thank you for your patience. i

and so i would say on whether mr. giuliani can satisfy this judgment, the jury is still out. we're going to do everything in our power to makes he has to pay. >> how quickly are you going to move? what does that mean for you, john? >> well, i will say, i'm part of a team that represented ruby and shaye and our team is talented and has been thinking about this exact problem. it's not a surprise to us. and we have plans to move as quickly as we can. the next step is to go to court on monday to figure out how we're going to go forward with getting final judgment entered. getting a final judgment entered is the document you need to go to other jurisdictions where mr. giuliani has assets, new york, florida, and attach those assets -- attach the judgment to his assets. he just signed a contract with newsmax. so we're looking at every option we have to obtain the money that he owes ruby and shaye. >> and he has shown no remorse for what he said, what he did, what he claimed which was untrue and the impact that that had on ruby and shaye. here he is just a few days ago. >> everything

mr. giuliani had the opportunity to present the evidence and he never did. it's the same story with regard to his financials. out of court, he has repeatedly claimed he is unable to pay. and every time throughout this entire litigation, the court has held him to produce records, to show that, to substantiate that, he hasn't done it. so, i am quite skeptical of what he says publicly, because he's had the opportunity to produce the records and he hasn't. so, i think, you know, at this point, the jury is still out as to whether there's any truth to his claims of not being able to afford a judgment. so, we look forward to the next phase. >> if he's lying about your clients, which clearly he has -- why wouldn't he lie about the money as well? if he declared bankruptcy, though, would he be able to use that to escape paying? >> i'm not a bankruptcy attorney, but my understanding is because these are willful tortes and the court has already found he acted in a willful manner, that those are not dischargeable. so, this will be a debt that he owes for the rest of his

mr giuliani told reporters outside the court he has no regrets.ll have more on these stories and more in the next hour. we start with the us supreme court, which announced this week it will hear a case challenging the food and drugs administration's approval of the abortion drug mifepristone. the biden administration asked the supreme court to intervene after an appeals court ruled to allow the pill to remain legal, but with significant restrictions on patients' access. the supreme court, which has a 6—3 conservative majority, will hear arguments early next year. a ruling is expected by summer, just months before the presidential election. this is the first time a major abortion case will appear on the supreme court's docket since it overturned the constitutional right to the procedure injune 2022. since then, more than a dozen states have enacted abortion bans or restrictions. shortly after the court's announcement on wednesday, i spoke to nicole freehill, an 0bgyn in louisiana who previously prescribed mifepristone/misoprostol to her patients. m

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this judgment is likely to follow mr. giuliani for the rest of his life, despite the abrupt ly. and what remains of mr. giuliani's assets, including $6 million from an apartment in new york city up for sale. they may also be able to put a lien on future wages if he ever earns money again, alex. >> it is absolutely extraordinary, the fact that he keeps leaning into these falsehoods, even with the judgment against him. we heard him doing it outside the court. here's something else we heard, joyce because you said it last night. you asked how long it was going to take him to declare bankruptcy. so why do this? what can giuliani avoid through bankruptcy, and what is he still on the hook for? >> well, bankruptcy lets giuliani discharge a lot of his debts as his financial posture, you know, is just really untenable, alex. and what he'll also achieve here, i think he hopes, is a little bit of delay. what a surprise to see someone trying to use delay to avoid justice. but it will take some time for the bankruptcy court proceedings to take place, for the judge to decide which debts are d

mr giuliani told reporters outside the court he has no regrets.comments were made and you were supportable and are supportable today. ijust did not have an opportunity to present the evidence that we offered. one of the election workers who brought the case and won the damages had this to say after the ruling. todayis today is not the end of the road, we still have work to do. rudy giuliani was not the only one who spread lies about us, and others must be held accountable as well. our north america correspondent nomia iqbal has been covering the story and has more. a judge had already decided rudy giuliani had spread false information about these two women. ruby freeman and shaye moss, mother and daughter. during the civil trial, they both described how their lives had almost been destroyed after december three 2020 when rudy giuliani suggested both women, election workers, they were counting ballots, that they had somehow taken part in election fraud to try and turn the election result against donald trump in the key swing state of georgia. both

after the ruling, mr giuliani slammed the order in comments to reporters.the absurdity of the entire proceeding. so i am quite confident when this case gets before a fair tribunal, it will be reversed so quickly it will make your head spin. our north america correspondent nomia iqbal has been covering the story. a judge had already decided rudy giuliani had spread false information about these two women. ruby freeman and shaye moss, mother and daughter. during the civil trial, they both described how their lives had almost been destroyed after december three 2020 when rudy giuliani suggested both women, election workers, they were counting ballots, that they had somehow taken part in election fraud to try and turn the election result against donald trump in the key swing state of georgia. both women gave emotional testimony in which they talked about in detail how they had received racist and threatening messages, phone calls, people turned up at their homes calling for them to be killed. and even ms moss's teenage son was targeted in such a way he could no

giuliani here. he is facing several other lawsuits filed by everyone, from hunter biden to former employees to grocery store worker. you reported extensively on his assets. what can you tell us about what he has? >> well, he has real estate. he makes about a half million a area give or take on his radio program and his podcast and related endeavors. none of which would be enough, of course, for him to be able to make good on these debts. as you noted, he owes about a million dollars to the irs. several million more in debt in various other legal cases, and this judgment, this fantastic number. and as we're going through all of his various troubles this week, which have really come to a head. you have to wonder is it really worth it at this point? everything he did for donald trump. it seemed like what he got in return was relevance, attention, proximity to power. after his time as mayor ended, he did not become the republican presidential nominee as he wanted to in 2008. things went downhill for him

. >> we believe mr. giuliani is prepared to respect the bankruptcy process. >>> live from london, this is "cnn newsroom" with moax foster and bianca nobilo. >> it is friday, december 22, 9:00 a.m. in london, 11:00 a.m. in gaza where there is growing pressure for fighting to stop. the u.n. security council is expected to vote on a resolution calling for suspension of fighting and increase of humanitarian aid for gaza. ambassador denied the measure was watered down. >> we have worked hard and diligently over the course of the past week with the emiratis, with other, with egypt to come up with a resolution that we can support. and we do have that resolution now. we're ready to vote on it. it is a resolution that will bring humanitarian assistance to those in need. >> it comes as more than 20,000 people in gaza have been killed by the israeli military since october 7. israel says its military has destroyed a strategic network of hamas tunnels and killed over 2,000 terrorists since the last pause in fighting

giuliani, for mr. murdoch at dews four, and we will see if there are other vertex to come, one can only presume. kaitlyn, what is astounding beyond the abject cruelty and audacity of rudy giuliani, is the fact that he is still sticking by these guys for which there is absolutely no evidence, claiming there will be evidence and it is three years later, there is none. that is the reason we have not seen any. it was looked at by republican officials in georgia. it was looked at by his own department of justice officials. during that period, there is no evidence that either of these women did anything at all, and yet this lie about the 2020 election is the animating force of donald trump's reelection campaign. >> and rudy giuliani undermining his own defense as they were talking about these women and what they did in trying to minimize what the damages were going to be. giuliana would go outside of court and stand by what he said about those two women that you just mentioned. i am just struck and by what w

mr giuliani told reporters outside the court, he has no regrets. will have more on those stories in the next hour. we start with the us supreme court, which announced this week it will hear a case challenging the food and drugs administration's approval of the abortion drug, mifepristone. the biden administration asked the supreme court to intervene after an appeals court ruled to allow the pill to remain legal, but with significant restrictions on patients�* access. this is the first time a major abortion case will appear on the supreme court's docket since it overturned the constitutional right to the procedure injune 2022. since then, more than a dozen states have enacted abortion bans or restrictions. the biden administration wants the court to overturn a decision to limit access to the drug mifepristone over anti—abortion groups�* safety concerns. the pill has been legal in the us since 2000 and research has shown it is safe. the supreme court, which has a 6—3 conservative majority, will hear arguments early next year. a ruling is expected nex

olivia is available mr. giuliani if you want to call her anytime. [laughter] i think he is addicted to attention. i think something happens to people when they get a taste of the spotlight and people who are in politics not to get too deep on the psychoanalysis but people who are in politics who want the approval of millions of people who crave that and need that, they are not built like normal human beings. they are different. i think he is one of those people. it is a certain mental illness to want to rule a group of people larger than a bachelor party. i think that there is something wrong with him in a way a lot of politicians do frankly. this ball eases addictive and i think he would do almost -- >> we know that he has gone down to mar-a-lago to ask trump to do more, to help him with all of this that is bearing down on him. do you think at some point trump will do that, that he would help him directly financially? >> he is a generous guy, abby, he is known for that. i think it's unlikely that donald trump has a lot of his own legal troubles, a

but mr. gottlieb is going to be just as tenacious in terms of finding any assets mr.ani, and remember, even if he goes into bankruptcy, this kind of judgment is not wiped out by bankruptcy. so, they are entitled to continue looking into take depositions and discovery. it's important to remember, one of the reasons that rudy giuliani is in the position he was in, is because he was in contempt over and over again when beryl howell, the judge on the case, ordered to discovery to be mutual. he did not participate. he didn't say where's assets were. he didn't say anything about that. if he continues to do that, the one thing that the judge has not yet done, but can do, is put him in jail. there are still remedies for the judge to make sure that every asset he has is disclosed, and if not, to take action. >> i mean, michael gottlieb, i've got a long time. very tenacious. i wouldn't put to face any of you in a court. i'm not gonna put myself in a position. neil, one of the questions and wondering, there was a sterling numbers in terms of the amount of money that giuliani had

in particular about these two election workers in atlanta, and mr.gations against them that caused them a lot of turmoil and backlash and threats in their lives and they're going testify at this trial and so will mr. giuliani we're told, he'll try to put in perspective these comments that he has acknowledged that are false, no good news for rudy giuliani, only sheds of bad news, that $43 million only compensatory damages there could be punitive damages in this case as well, and this is of course one of many legal problems that rudy is facing right now. >> ken, let's dig into those, what other legal troubles, challenges is he facing right now? >> reporter: of course he's been indict maryland the georgia case, he has a criminal problem there as part of that sprawling racketeering case into election suppression in the state of georgia, he's also being sued by dominion voting systems and is he being sued business his former assistant who claims he sexually assaulted her. he's in deep financial trouble. one former lawyer is suing him for unpaid legal bill

days after mr. giuliani re -- day after day, mr. giuliani reminds you who he is, an attorney for the plaintiffs he said mr. giulia defense strategy was to convince jurors he was more important than the women he defamed. rich, famous people have ordinary people are replaceable, worthless. his defense is his reputation. his comfort, and his goals are more important than those of ruby freeman and shaye moss. this is a fiction and it ends today. this is also someone who made money off 9/11. let me play one of the voice mails left for ruby freeman. this was played in the trial. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're going to get locked up, ruby. that's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive, ruby? you are all going to [ bleep ] jail, you piece of [ bleep ]. >> rev, if you actually know what rudy was like, it seems like this is kind of the fitting end. he played in racism. racism was his stock and trade as mayor, and this is how he ends, just one of his many cases. >> and when you look at the fact that his being mayor, he was the

mr.ing them would you take roughly three and a half percent of that instead? how about a 96% discount off those damages? how about i proposed to pay you not 1.5 billion dollars but $55 million that's's offer in bankruptcy court the sandy hook families you, will be not be surprised to learn have a different idea, how about you just liquidate your billion accepts right now, including a meeting accompanying give the proceeds to the families. he would be allowed to keep his house, but alex jones incorporated goes away. permanently. in other words, we don't want to share in your profits we want your company which profited so many years from our grief, we want that company gone. that's one example of what a civil lawsuit can do, a judge could decide that alex jones's media network has to be dissolved, we shall see. another example what a civil suit can do. the 148 million dollar jury verdict against rudy giuliani for the lives he spread about two georgia election worker, lies about them stealin

mr. giuliani is saying these things. a website. lots of people are saying these things because they believe people like mr. giuliani and ruby and shaye are true heros and have done this not just for themselves, but specifically for all the civil servants and election workers throughout and we should be thankful to them for their courage and bravery. >> thank you for your patience. i appreciate you. >>> and "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. >>> good evening everyone. welcome to "the reidout." we begin tonight with major breaking news. a bombshell ruling from the colorado supreme court in just the last hour, states that donald trump is disqualified from holding the office of president. and from appearing on the republican primary ballot in that state. in a more than 200 page ruling the court found that trump is ineligible for the white house under section 3 of the 14th amendment to the u.s. constitution. the court found that district court was correct in its early ruling calling the january 6th attack on the capitol an insurrec

we know what mr. giuliani's assets are. we know he has a lot of financial distress, he claims. i hope that shaye moss and reform this or something. i know it's not about the money, but the money is important. >> also for you and your client, dominion voting, the money was not just the issue, is also about symbolically going after somebody that the famed air client. dominion voting also looking at other defendants having active litigation right now to be able to deal with the defamation to their client. do you think that it makes sense for ruby freeman and shaye moss to continue to use the judicial system in the way it's supposed to be used, which is to seek redress, get something to make them whole again after what has happened with rudy giuliani and others? >> yes, of course it's harder for individuals because these cases taken emotional toll, they take their time, and the energy of the person -- dominion has cases pending in washington against sydney powell, against rudy giuliani, they have other cases pending in various forms against oan and newsmax. dominion plans to fight

but, mr. gottlieb is going to be just as tenacious in terms of finding any assets of mr. giuliani.emember, even if he goes into bankruptcy, this kind of the judgment is not wiped out by bankruptcy. so, they are entitled to continue looking, and to take depositions and discovery. it's important to remember that one of the reasons of that rudy giuliani was in the position he was in, was because he was in contempt over and over again, when -- the judge on the case ordered to discovery to be mutual. and he just did not participate, he didn't say where his assets were, he didn't say anything about that. if he continues to do that, the one thing that the judge has not yet done, but can do, is put him in jail. >> so there are still remedies for the judge, to make sure that every asset he has is disclosed, and if, not to take action. >> i mean, michael gottlieb, i've known him along, and he's very tenacious. i wouldn't want to face any of you in a court, so i'm not going to put myself in that position. [laughter] so neil. one of the questions that i've been wondering. i mean, there was sta

we know what mr. giuliani's assets are. we know he has a lot of financial assets, he claims. i hope that shaye moss and reform this or something. i know it's not about the money, but the money is important. >> also for you and your client, dominion voting, the money was not just the issue, is also about symbolically going after somebody that the famed air client. dominion voting also looking at other defendants having active litigation right now to be able to deal with the definition to their client. do you think that it makes sense for ruby freeman and shaye moss to continue to use the judicial system in the way it's supposed to be use, which is -- get something to make them whole again after what has happened with rudy giuliani and others >> yes, of course it's? harder for individuals because these cases taken emotional toll, they take their time, and the energy of the person -- dominion has cases pending in washington against sydney powell, against rudy giuliani, they have other cases pending in various forms against oan and newsmax. dominion plans to fight all of these pe

after the water was handed down, mr.liani said he would apal. >> there is very little i can say right now. i have to analyze this obviously. possibly we will move for a new trial, certainly we will appeal. the absurdity of the number merely underscores the aurdity of the entire proceeding. i'm quite confident when this case gets before a fair tribunal it will be reversed so quickly it will make your head spin, and the absurd number that just came in will help that actually. caitriona: speaking after the verdict, they said that the ordeal had change their lives, work, safety, and mental health. they were grateful to the jury for their work. the u.s. senate is delaying its christmas break to try to pass a deal to extend more military funding to ukraine. kyiv says it needs more weapons to continue its copper offensive against russia's invasion. the pentagon says it has nearly exhausted its current allocation for funding. congress has been deadlocked over further aid. president zelenskyy was in washington earlier this week s

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after the water was handed down, mr.liani said he would appeal. >> there is very little i can say right now. i have to analyze this obviously. possibly we will move for a new trial, certainly we will appeal. the absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire proceeding. i'm quite confident when this case gets before a fair tribunal it will be reversed so quickly it will make your head spin, and the absurd number that just came in will help that actually. caitriona: speaking after the verdict, they said that the ordeal had change their lives, work, safety, and mental health. they were grateful to the jury for their work. the u.s. senate is delaying its christmas break to try to pass a deal to extend more military funding to ukraine. kyiv says it needs more weapons to continue its copper offensive against russia's invasion. the pentagon says it has nearly exhausted its current allocation for funding. congress has been deadlocked over further aid. president zelenskyy was in washington earlier this we

, legal experts say this verdict could be adjusted on appeal, but it's likely mr. giuliani still will have a multimillion dollar debt hanging over his head whether he will have the money to pay that is an open question. lester >> all right, ken dilanian starting us off. thanks >>> we turn now to the news about "friends" star matthew perry the medical examiner revealing that after years of struggling with addiction, perry died from the acute effects of the drug ketamine we get more now from chloe melas. >> reporter: tonight authorities revealing beloved actor matthew perry's manner of death. according to the autopsy report, the 54-year-old died from the acute effects of ketamine ruling his death an accident. in a statement released friday, the los angeles county medical examiner's office said, contributing factors in perry's death include drowning, coronary artery disease, and the effects of buprenorphine, a drug often used to treat opioid addiction in october perry was found by his assistant unresponsive in his hot tub at his pacific palisades home tonight, officia

giuliani still will have a multimillion dollar debt hanging over his head. whether he will have the money to pay that is an open question now, lester. >>> we turn to the news about "friends" star matthew perry. the medical examiner revealing that after years of struggling with addiction he died from the acute effects of ketamine. more from chloe melas. >> reporter: tonight authorities revealing beloved actor matthew perry's manner of death, according to the autopsy report the 54-year-old died from the effects of ketamine ruling his death an accident. in a statement released friday, the los angeles county medical examiner's office said contributing factors in perry's death include drowning, coronary artery disease and the effect of buprenorphine, a drug used to treat opioid addiction. he was found in his hot tub unresponsive in his pacific palisades home. they did not find any drugs or drug paraphernalia nearby and his body had no signs of recent needle punctures. >> welcome home, man. >> reporter: perry was best known for his comedic genius playing chandler

an attorney for freeman and moss said giuliani's move will not succeed in discharging mr.. for an american once honored as time's person of the year, bankruptcy is a prism into the mounting challenges facing him and other top allies of former president donald trump in georgia. georgia. >> bob costa, you'll be do you shop for vitamins at walmart? force factor products powerfully improve your health, but they're also delicious, easy to use and affordable. that's why force factor is now the number one best selling superfoods brand in america. unleash your potential with force factor at walmart. sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand. and wakes up feeling like himself. get the rest to be your best with non-habit forming zzzquil. ♪ ♪ this new charmin ultra soft smooth tear is soooo soft and soo smooth. new charmin ultra soft smooth tear has wavy perforations that tear so much better for a smooth more enjoyable go. charmin, enjoy the go. ♪ did you know 80% of women are struggling with hair damage? dryness and frizz

after the ruling mr giuliani slammed the order in comments to reporters.ur north america correspondent nomia iqbal has been covering the story ajudge had already a judge had already decided ajudge had already decided ready giuliani had shared false information about the mother and daughter and during the civil trial, they both described how their lives had almost been destroyed after december that the 2024 and ready giuliani suggested both women who were election workers and counting ballots that they had somehow taken part in election fraud to try and turn the election result against donald trump in the key swing states of georgia. both women gave a really emotional testimony in which they talked about in detail they had received racist and threatening messages, phone calls, people turning up at their homes: for them to killed and that even a teenage boy was targeted in such a way he could not finish school education and had to do at home. in terms of what ready giuliani had to say, he never actually gave evidence, his lawyer said he should not their resp

mr giuliani had already been found liable for defaming the mother and daughter during the 2020 electionliani had shared false information about the mother and daughter and during the civil trial, they both described how their lives had almost been destroyed after december 3rd 2020 when rudy giuliani suggested both women who were election workers and counting ballots that they had somehow taken part in election fraud to try and turn the election result against donald trump in the key swing state of georgia. both women gave a really about in detail, they had received racist and threatening messages, phone calls, people turning up at their homes, calling for them to killed and that even a teenage boy was targeted in such a way he could not finish school education and had to do it at home. in terms of what ready giuliani had to say, he never actually gave evidence, his lawyer said he should not bear responsibility for the abuse directed towards these women. whether or not he can actually take this huge amount, we do not actually know because during the actual civil trial, he refused to disc

giuliani's move will not succeed in discharging mr. giuliani's debt.an once honored as times person of the year, bankruptcy is a prison to the mounting challenges facing him and other top allies, former president donald trump and georgia. >> margaret: bob, the special counsel recently went to the supreme court and said on an expedited basis, weigh in on this question of presidential immediately. when will we hear that decision? >> reporter: margaret, we expect the supreme court to move sooner rather than later. of the immunity question facingt donald trump, as well as the question of his valid status in, following that ruling by the state supreme court, that really brings the supreme court front and center into the 2024 2024 campaign. >> margaret: bob costa, you'll be busy. thank you. well, president biden is sending top officials, including the secretaries of state and homeland security, to meet with mexico's president andres manuel lopez obrador in the coming days about this worsening migrant crisis along the southern bo border. more than 10,000 migr

mr giuliani says he has nearly $500 million in debts including owing "unknown" amounts to election technology20 defamation lawsuits. you're live with bbc news. the world's largest displacement crisis is not in gaza or ukraine — but in sudan. that's according to the united nations which says more than 7 million people have had to leave their homes since the conflict began in april. the humanitarian situation continues to deterioriate following the suspension of aid from the un and red cross, who said it was too dangerous to operate. a spokesperson for the un secretary—general said the displacement crisis was made even worse when 300,000 people were forced to flee the second largest city, wad madani, which had, until now, been seen as a safe zone. the paramilitary rapid support forces seized the city earlier this week. during the attack on the city, reports say civilians were arrested based on their ethnicity as well as reports of summary executions, sexual violence and other abuses, perpetrated by the rsf, which they've denied. the us state department said earlier this month that both the rsf

what exactly did they accuse mr. giuliani of doing? guest: there were two people during elections that were counting votes on election night of 2020 in state farm arena. mrs. freeman is the mother. shaye moss is her daughter. among the things that giuliani said about them in meetings with georgia lawmakers as he tried to pursue them -- persuade them to basically ignore or overturn the results that showed that biden had won the election. he said they did things like count and exit 12,000 votes which would have been more than the margin that trump needed to overturn the election. he said they were passing around usb sticks as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine. they testified in congress and in this trial to say among the things that were passing run ginger mints.they did not stuff the ballots at state farm arena. there are acquisitions about suitcases full about being carried in. officials investigated all the allegations that were made. they said the alleged suitcases were actually storage boxes. that is the way they always store

mr giuliani falsely accused wandrea �*shaye' moss, a voter registration officer in georgia, and her motherg during the 2020 presidential election. thejury found giuliani harmed the two with his statements and ordered he pay more than $148 million dollars for defamation, emotional distress, and punitive damages. he slammed the order in comments to reporters. possibly will move for a new trial and we will appeal the absurdity of the number merely underscores the absurdity of the entire proceeding. i am quite confident when this case gets before a fair tribunal it will be reversed so quickly it will be reversed so quickly it will make your head spin. fine will make your head spin. one ofthe will make your head spin. one of the election _ will make your head spin. one of the election workers. one of the election workers who brought the case and won the damages had this to say after the ruling. as we move forward and continue to seekjustice, our greatest wish is that no one, no election worker or a voter or school board member or anyone else ever experiences anything like what we went through. y

what exactly did they accuse mr. giuliani of doing? guest: there were two people during elections that were counting votes on election night of 2020 in state farm arena. mrs. freeman is the mother. shaye moss is her daughter. among the things that giuliani said about them in meetings with georgia lawmakers as he tried to pursue them -- persuade them to basically ignore or overturn the results that showed that biden had won the election. he said they did things like count and exit 12,000 votes which would have been more than the margin that trump needed to overturn the election. he said they were passing around usb sticks as if they were vials of heroin or cocaine. they testified in congress and in this trial to say among the things that were passing run ginger mints.they did not stuff the ballots at state farm arena. there are acquisitions about suitcases full about being carried in. officials investigated all the allegations that were made. they said the alleged suitcases were actually storage boxes. that is the way they always store

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