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mr. hur, i'm down here .he interviews with president biden. are you aware of that? >> i understand that to be true. two did you have any involvement in the decision of the timing release of the transcripts? >> oh. >> did you make a recommendation by the release of the president being done or not? >> i did not pick that is above my pay grade. of close to this hearing but it impacts our ability to evaluate a report and ask you questions about it. there is one point, as an illustration on 2:21 of your report you are describing, i think the afan pack or something like that from 2009, i think is the information you and you say is one reason not to prosecute mr. bottomley in addition mr. biden told us in his interview that he does not recognizeythtion marking. to hi the marking means the document should be held in confidence but not necessarily that it is classi. and footnote 866 as a reference and refers to the biden 10/9/23 transcript as 24 and 25 and we have that now that we haven't until this morning. i just wa
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hur chose not to bring charges. mr. hur, we think it is important that you be able to respond to president biden's response to your report, so we're going to play a short video of mr. biden's -- president biden's press conference after your report was released. so if we could play that video. >> let me say a few things before i take questions. as you know, the special counsel released this finding today about they're looking into my handling of classified documents. >> president biden, something the special counsel said in his report is that one of the reasons you were not charged is because in his description you are a well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. >> i'm well meaning, i'm an elderly man, and i know what the hell i'm doing. i've been president. i put country back on its feet. i don't need his recommendation -- >> how bad is your memory and can you continue as president? >> my memory is so bad, i let you speak. that's -- >> do you believe your memory has gotten worse, mr. president? >> my memory is fine.
hur chose not to bring charges. mr. hur, we think it is important that you be able to respond to president biden's response to your report, so we're going to play a short video of mr. biden's -- president biden's press conference after your report was released. so if we could play that video. >> let me say a few things before i take questions. as you know, the special counsel released this finding today about they're looking into my handling of classified documents. >> president...
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hur, and before i yield back, mr.rman, i ask unanimous content to enter into the record an excerpt from the committee's transcribed interviewed with steven detornno, former fbi director from 2023, in which he explained that the fbi executed a search warrant for classified material at mar-a-lago because there was probable cause to believe that donald trump did not fully comply with a subpoena to turn over classified documents. >> no objection. >> thank you, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> gentleman yields back -- the gentleman is recognized. >> mr. chairman, i have three unanimous consent requests. >> all right. >> first, i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record the publisher's web page for president biden's 2017 book "promise me dad. ""a deeply moving book. >> no objection. >> 1997, mr. hur's report which says president biden's book is not known to contain classified information. >> no objection. >> finally i ask consent to into into the record, special counsel hur that classifies that president biden's 2017 bo
hur, and before i yield back, mr.rman, i ask unanimous content to enter into the record an excerpt from the committee's transcribed interviewed with steven detornno, former fbi director from 2023, in which he explained that the fbi executed a search warrant for classified material at mar-a-lago because there was probable cause to believe that donald trump did not fully comply with a subpoena to turn over classified documents. >> no objection. >> thank you, mr. chairman, i yield...
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i thank you, mr. hur. and before i yield back, mr. chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record an excerpt from the committee's transcribed interview with steven dantono, former assistant director in charge of the fbi washington field office on june 7, 2023, in which mr. dantono explained that the fbi executed a search warrant for classified material at mar-a-lago because there was probable cause to believe that donald trump did not fully go with a subpoena to turn over classified documents. >> without objection. >> gentle lady from -- excuse me, ranking member is recognized. >> mr. chairman, i have three unanimous consent requests. first i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record the publishers web page for president biden's 2017, "promise me that" about the year his son beau died. and also to enter page 97 of mr. hur's report says president biden's book is not known to contain classified information. >> without objection. >> finally, unanimous consent to enter into the record february 5, 2024, letter from preside
i thank you, mr. hur. and before i yield back, mr. chairman, i ask unanimous consent to enter into the record an excerpt from the committee's transcribed interview with steven dantono, former assistant director in charge of the fbi washington field office on june 7, 2023, in which mr. dantono explained that the fbi executed a search warrant for classified material at mar-a-lago because there was probable cause to believe that donald trump did not fully go with a subpoena to turn over classified...
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mr. hur, how would you define willful ?he intent of willfulness, what a jury has to conclude if somebody knew that their conduct was illegal when the did accidental or involuntary? >> correct >> this is where i disagree with your portion of the report. you have a gentleman that serves 36 years in the senate. i have only been here a year but i understand thinformation. he served eight years as vice president. it came to the attention the classified briefing books had not been returned and even if they were returned some of the content was missing. the same year the executive secretary raise that nearly 30 of the classified briefing books from the first several months of 2010 were missing. president biden failed to return compartmend information content from a trip that he took to the hamptons. today you were not able to determine if those documents were recovered? >> correct. >> so, when does willfulness factor in? is it now in his diminished mental capacity? or when it was he was serving as senator and vice president. >> in
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mr. hur, i'm down here . think, today, the justice department released the transcripts of the interviews with president biden. are you aware of that? >> i understand that to be true. two did you have any involvement in the decision of the timing release of the transcripts? >> oh. >> did you make a recommendation by the release of the president being done or not? >> i did not pick that is above my pay grade. >> i don't know whether release of close to this hearing but it impacts our ability to evaluate a report and ask you questions about it. there is one point, as an illustration on 2:21 of your report you are describing, i think the afghan pack or something like that from 2009, i think is the information you and you say is one reason not to prosecute mr. bottomley in addition mr. biden told us in his interview that he does not recognize they marking confidential as a classification marking. to him, the marking means the document should be held in confidence but not necessarily that it is classified. and foot
mr. hur, i'm down here . think, today, the justice department released the transcripts of the interviews with president biden. are you aware of that? >> i understand that to be true. two did you have any involvement in the decision of the timing release of the transcripts? >> oh. >> did you make a recommendation by the release of the president being done or not? >> i did not pick that is above my pay grade. >> i don't know whether release of close to this hearing...
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hur. mr.ime as a u.s. senator and the '70, correct? and even more senate papers heading back to the '70s through 1991 were found in the university of delaware morris library and in the biden senate papers collection, correct? and even more senate pa■urs dating back to the 1970s and 1980s were president biden's delaware garage. >> i believe that, yes, that's correct. >> mr. biden had nearly 50 years experience dealing with classified information, including as a member of the senate select committee on intelligence and member and chairman of the senate committee on judiciary, a member and chairman of the senate committee on foreign relations and vice president of the united states. and that he was deeply familiar with the measures taken to safeguard classified information and the reasons for them, correct? >> that language certainly sounds familiar, congressman, but if you have a page citation for me -- >> and as vice president, is it correct that in 2011, mr. biden received advice from his staf
hur. mr.ime as a u.s. senator and the '70, correct? and even more senate papers heading back to the '70s through 1991 were found in the university of delaware morris library and in the biden senate papers collection, correct? and even more senate pa■urs dating back to the 1970s and 1980s were president biden's delaware garage. >> i believe that, yes, that's correct. >> mr. biden had nearly 50 years experience dealing with classified information, including as a member of the senate...
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. >> thank you, mr. hur. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from north dakota for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. how could that possibly happen? how could anyone be that a responsible? and i thought, what data was in there the compromise sources, methods, and it's just totally irresponsible. as president biden statement about donald trump and the classified documents. mr. hur, classified documents were found at the penn biden center? >> that's correct. >> they were found in president biden's garage, >> also in the same home, yes. >> in his main floor office? >> correct. is back in his third-floor den. >> correct. >> at -- . >> correct. expected that the biden institute? >> correct. the elements of the crime are clear. he had possession of the document. and is related to national defense? >> correct. >> we may talk about the willful part. retain the document, writing, or note and fail to deliver to somebody entitled to receive it. >> but those are the elements of the crime. >> including the inte
. >> thank you, mr. hur. the chair now recognizes the gentleman from north dakota for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. how could that possibly happen? how could anyone be that a responsible? and i thought, what data was in there the compromise sources, methods, and it's just totally irresponsible. as president biden statement about donald trump and the classified documents. mr. hur, classified documents were found at the penn biden center? >> that's correct. >>...
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do you agree with that, mr. hur? you wrote it in your report. >> that language does appear in the report and we identified those assessments. >> you also said joe biden -- i want to make sure i get this right, views himself as a man of presidential timber. do you remember that statement? >> i believe that appears in the report, at least the executive summary. >> this is interesting, because here's the scary part. page 200, and i said it earlier in the opening statement, page 200, joe biden, this is a quote, joe biden risked serious damage to america's national security when he shared information with his ghostwriter. shared it with his ghostwriter, the guy that was helping joe biden get $8 million. by the way, mr. hur, what did that ghostwriter do with the information president biden shared -- >> he slid, if i remember correctly, he slid those files into his recycle bin on his computer. >> tried to destroy the evidence, didn't he? >> correct. >> the very guy helping joe biden get the $8 million, and the motive for jo
do you agree with that, mr. hur? you wrote it in your report. >> that language does appear in the report and we identified those assessments. >> you also said joe biden -- i want to make sure i get this right, views himself as a man of presidential timber. do you remember that statement? >> i believe that appears in the report, at least the executive summary. >> this is interesting, because here's the scary part. page 200, and i said it earlier in the opening statement,...
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mr. hur, welcome.d let me echo what has been said that your personal story of being an immigrant, your family, the way you contributed to the greatness of this country, shows why america's great. the great immigrant story. thank you for being here. first question to you is, you are a republican? >> i am, sir. >> does that stop you from a thorough and fair investigation? >> i certainly hope not. i know not. >> this story is really proof of the old saying that the coverup is worse than the crime. president trump and president biden handled their classified materials differently, wouldn't you say? >> my report includes an assessment of the alleged facts in the pending indictment of former president trump and a comparison to the facts we found in this case. >> the handling of the documents was night and day, correct? >> congressman, do you have a specific aspect that you have in mind? >> president trump intentionally took classified materials and obstructed justice to ensure those materials wouldn't be tak
mr. hur, welcome.d let me echo what has been said that your personal story of being an immigrant, your family, the way you contributed to the greatness of this country, shows why america's great. the great immigrant story. thank you for being here. first question to you is, you are a republican? >> i am, sir. >> does that stop you from a thorough and fair investigation? >> i certainly hope not. i know not. >> this story is really proof of the old saying that the coverup...
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i appreciate your being here, mr. hur. i would also like to ask mr. chairman unanimous request to include in the record a september 11th letter from the special counsel to the preside
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mr. hur, why did he break them? >> congressman, the conclusion as to the exactly why the president did what he did is not one that we explicitly address in the report. the report explains my decision to the attorney general that no criminal charges were warranted in this matter. >> i think you did tell us. you told us, mr. hur, page 231. president biden had strong motivations. that's a key word. getting to motive now. president biden had strong motivations to ignore the proper procedures for safeguarding the classified information in his notebooks. why did he have strong motivations? because he decided months before leaving office to write a book. to write a book. that was his motive. he knew the rules. he broke the rules and began meeting with the ghost writer while he was still vice president. there is the motive. mr. hur, how much did president biden get paid for his book? >> off the top of my head i'm not sure if that information appears in the report. >> it does. there is a dollar in there. >> it maybe $8 milli
mr. hur, why did he break them? >> congressman, the conclusion as to the exactly why the president did what he did is not one that we explicitly address in the report. the report explains my decision to the attorney general that no criminal charges were warranted in this matter. >> i think you did tell us. you told us, mr. hur, page 231. president biden had strong motivations. that's a key word. getting to motive now. president biden had strong motivations to ignore the proper...
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mr. hur, welcome. i concur and let me echo what has been said by my colleagues, your personal story of being an immigrant to this country and way you contribute to greatness of this country shows why america is great, the great immigrant story. thank you for being here. first question to you, you are republican? >> i am, sir. >> does that stop you from thorough and fair investigation? >> i certainly hope not and i know not. >> this story is really proof of the old saying the cover up is worse than the crime. president trump and president biden handled their classified documents differently, wouldn't you say? >> my report includes assessment of alleged facts in indictment of president trump and comparison to facts in this case. >> the handles of documents was night and day, correct? >> do you have a specific aspect that you have in mind? >> you know, president trump intentionally took classified documents and obstructed justice to ensure those materials wouldn't be taken from him and refused to work wit
mr. hur, welcome. i concur and let me echo what has been said by my colleagues, your personal story of being an immigrant to this country and way you contribute to greatness of this country shows why america is great, the great immigrant story. thank you for being here. first question to you, you are republican? >> i am, sir. >> does that stop you from thorough and fair investigation? >> i certainly hope not and i know not. >> this story is really proof of the old saying...
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hur says. they do not even listen to what mr hur says-— mr hur says. want to do is have something they can - mr hur says. what i want to do | is have something they can clip for social media and make their point. that is what congress has turned into, a lot of political posturing and not addressing real issues. night se . ue. addressing real issues. night segue. speaking _ addressing real issues. night segue. speaking of _ addressing real issues. night segue. speaking of social- segue. speaking of social media, the bill regarding tiktok flying through this committee at record time. a houseboat expected tomorrow. this will be a bill that, if it does pass, could lead to a ban on tiktok. what do you think the chances are these passes? the senate if it is very sceptical that at the senate is very sceptical on this. courts will likely strip this bill down and say it is unconstitutional. interesting is also how donald trump tried to ban tiktok in his administration four years ago but now he wants to reach those young voters, those minority voters using tikto
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mr. hur, it is my time. >> laura: it the is my time. love how they talk over him when he is the guy that did the examination. he is the guy who sat down with biden. he did not exonerate him. oh, yes you did. darrell issa picked up on all of this and reemphasized. >> did you reach a conclusion that this man was out rightin m innocent? a >> that conclusion is not reflected in our report, sir.hi >> i want to maknke sure the record is complete becauseex i think it is extremely important. you did not reach an idea he had committed no wrong.ri you reached a conclusion thatal you would not prevail in a triae and therefore, did not take it forward, is that correct?jo correct, councilman. >> laura: he did not exonerateat joe biden. thebut democrats all day long pretended that they didn't heara what the man actually said. now, for its part, the white house responded by stating in part, the transcript offers a more nuanced -- i love that word -- nuanced view of biden during the five hours of the interview. nuanced! will, they are getting really cr
mr. hur, it is my time. >> laura: it the is my time. love how they talk over him when he is the guy that did the examination. he is the guy who sat down with biden. he did not exonerate him. oh, yes you did. darrell issa picked up on all of this and reemphasized. >> did you reach a conclusion that this man was out rightin m innocent? a >> that conclusion is not reflected in our report, sir.hi >> i want to maknke sure the record is complete becauseex i think it is...
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mr. hur, only one of them has been charged. and that's president trump and that's why people think and view this as a two-tiered system of justice. thank you, sir. >> gentlemen yields back. the chair now recognize the gentleman from -- unanimous consent. >> i'll wait. >> mr. buck. >> thank you. >> mr. hur, they say they save the best for last, i'm looking forward to this opportunity. first of all, what i've observed in this hearing is that one side thinks you are trying to get president trump elected and the other side thinks you are trying to get president biden elected. i served as prosecutor for 25 years, i know that you are going to take grief from both sides. you must be doing a great job in your reporting and during your investigation if you have convinced both sides that you are somewhere in the middle. i commend you for your background. i would have loved to have met chief justice rehnquist. what a hero to conservatives and really americans and that must have been a great opportunity for you. but when both sides attack
mr. hur, only one of them has been charged. and that's president trump and that's why people think and view this as a two-tiered system of justice. thank you, sir. >> gentlemen yields back. the chair now recognize the gentleman from -- unanimous consent. >> i'll wait. >> mr. buck. >> thank you. >> mr. hur, they say they save the best for last, i'm looking forward to this opportunity. first of all, what i've observed in this hearing is that one side thinks you are...
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special counsel hur oh everybody is going to be biden is fine. mr. hur is the problem?hey should also be ashamed of themselves for their role in this cover-up. >> he is better than he has ever been intellectually, um, analytically, because he's been around for 50 years, this version of biden intellectually, analytically is the best biden ever. >> laura: really? even the generally pro-biden axios noted biden's repeated mental lapses during the special counsel's interviews. when did i announce for president in 2019? if it was -- well, if it was 2013? when did i stop being vice president? in 2009. am i still vice president? and then he asked trump gets elected in november of 2017? well, of course it was november 2016. and axios then notes twice on the same day biden struggled to find the words for fax machine. now, ignore the democrats' feigned bravado and their desperate attempt to what we know to be biden's conduct and diminishing mental state. here's the truth. in hold guilty classified documents in unsecure locations across decades, joe biden was in violation of 18 u.s
special counsel hur oh everybody is going to be biden is fine. mr. hur is the problem?hey should also be ashamed of themselves for their role in this cover-up. >> he is better than he has ever been intellectually, um, analytically, because he's been around for 50 years, this version of biden intellectually, analytically is the best biden ever. >> laura: really? even the generally pro-biden axios noted biden's repeated mental lapses during the special counsel's interviews. when did i...
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hur writing, "while mr. trump was give multiple chances to return the documents, he allegedly did the opposite and enlisted overs to destroy evidence." >> the desperate quest to invent an issue as a distraction from the 91 federal and state federal charges that donald trump faces now. >> reporter: according to hur's report, president biden shared classified material with his ghostwriter, though the president disputes that. republicans say his motives included an $8 million book advance. >> it wasn't just $8 million. it was also his ego. pride and money is why he knowingly violated the rules. you agree with that, mr. hur? >> that language does appear in the report, and we did identify evidence supporting those assessments. >> reporter: the white house says this is now case closed, and that the special counsel report cleared the president. but republicans are expected to make his age an issue in the upcoming campaign. late today, president biden officially clinched the nomination lester >> gabe gutierrez start
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that is not true is it mr. hur? >> that is inconsistent with the findings based on in evidence my report. >> it is a lie? you exonerated him. >> i did not exonerate him -- >> has, mr. hur my time. >> all i have to do when i am caught taking home classified materials is say i am sorry mr. hur i am getting old my memory is not so great. >> congressman. >> this is doctrine you established in laws now it is frightening. >> you cannot tell me heure so naÏve as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm that you are suggesting that i shape sanitize omit portions of my reasoning and explanation to attorney general for political reasons. >> no. i signatured you not shape your reports for political reasons. >> would not have -- that did not happen? >> wisconsin congressman tom tiffany asking hur whether white house interfered with final draft of his report. february 5, letter that was sent to you asking you to change -- um -- um -- references to the president's poor memory was there isn't a "by white ho
that is not true is it mr. hur? >> that is inconsistent with the findings based on in evidence my report. >> it is a lie? you exonerated him. >> i did not exonerate him -- >> has, mr. hur my time. >> all i have to do when i am caught taking home classified materials is say i am sorry mr. hur i am getting old my memory is not so great. >> congressman. >> this is doctrine you established in laws now it is frightening. >> you cannot tell me heure so...
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mr. hur says, yes. president biden says, remember in this time frame, my son is either been deployed or is dying. and so it was and by the way, there were stolen lot of people at a time when i got to the senate there encouraging me fernando, president's editor. and then he goes, he goes on a little bit and then he says, what month did beau die? oh god, may 30 and then somebody says 2015, somebody else's 2015 president biden says, was it 2015? he had died. somebody else says it was may of 2015. president biden says it was 2015. his lawyer says, or i'm not sure the monster, but i think that was the year. all right. now, look losing a son is losing a child is unfair. it's horrible, >> and here he is >> being asked about all sorts of dates thrown about 2015, 2009, 2020, whatever. but it is true that for a moment there, he seems confused about the year that his beloved son, beau died now, robert hur didn't bring it up despite what we've heard from democratic members of congress. robert hur was trying to find
mr. hur says, yes. president biden says, remember in this time frame, my son is either been deployed or is dying. and so it was and by the way, there were stolen lot of people at a time when i got to the senate there encouraging me fernando, president's editor. and then he goes, he goes on a little bit and then he says, what month did beau die? oh god, may 30 and then somebody says 2015, somebody else's 2015 president biden says, was it 2015? he had died. somebody else says it was may of 2015....
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mr. hur, i wanted to thank you again for the work you did.on't agree with everything you wrote in the report but that's the nature of the business, i think. i did want to ask you about this. i know you started off with and the first line executive summary, we con that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. and i take it that's still your position today. >> yes, it is. >> all right. you also noted a little bit below that for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence does not establish mr. biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. still hold that view? >> i do. >> even though you objected to the use of the word exonerated from your perspective, he's been cleared of all criminal investigations? >> i determined based on the evidence, criminal charges are not warranted. >> okay. and i did want to go to the issue of material distinctions you raised in your report between president biden and former president trump. we've got a document up here that lays it out and you've answered questions about this already. i think it s
mr. hur, i wanted to thank you again for the work you did.on't agree with everything you wrote in the report but that's the nature of the business, i think. i did want to ask you about this. i know you started off with and the first line executive summary, we con that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. and i take it that's still your position today. >> yes, it is. >> all right. you also noted a little bit below that for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that...
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mr. hur chose not to bring charges mr. her, we think it's important that you'd be able to respond to president biden's response to your report. so we're going to play a short video of mr. biden's press cup. present biden's press conference after your report was released because there's things in this press conference at the president in state says that are directly contradicted by what you found in your port so if we can play that video >> let me say a few things before i take your questions. as you know, the special counsel released his findings today about there, look into my handling of classified documents >> president biden, something that special counsel said in his report, is that one of the reasons you were not charged is because in his description, you are a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory >> i will mean i'm an elderly man and i know what the hell i'm doing when president and i put this country back on a sheet, i don't need his recommendation. he told >> is your memory. and can you continue as presiden
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you agree with that, mr. hur? >> that language does appear in the report, and we did identify evidence supporting those assessments. >> all right, gabe joining me now. gabe, the special counsel says he did not exonerate the president. so how is the white house responding to that tonight? >> lester, the white house says this is case closed. republicans are now asking for an audio recording of the president's interview to be released. but white house says the transcript was enough. lester? >> gabe gutierrez starting us off, thank you. >>> in pennsylvania, a neighborhood shaken after a deadly home explosion killed at least two people near pittsburgh. emilie ikeda on the investigation tonight. >> reporter: tonight, officials in western pennsylvania are investigating what caused a massive explosion that killed a man and woman and obliterated this home. the shell of a basement is all that remains. >> i'm on the scene. i've got a house on the ground, completely on the ground. >> reporter: it happened just before 9:00 a.m
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. >> mr. hur, do you believe joe biden is mentally competent -- >> reporter: tonight, on capitol hill, former special counsel robert hur facing hostile questions from both republicans and democrats, as he defended his conclusion that president biden had mishandled classified documents, but should not be prosecuted. >> we identified evidence that the president willfully retained classified materials after the end of his vice presidency, when he was a private citizen. we did not, however, identify evidence that rose to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. >> reporter: hur has come under attack from democrats for saying one of the reasons biden should not be prosecuted is because he "would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory." >> my assessment in the report about the relevance of the president's memory was necessary and accurate and fair. i did not sanitize my explanation, nor did i dispara
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that's not true, is it, mr. hur?> that is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report. >> it's a lie is just what regular people would say, right? yeah. all right. >> bret: former special counsel hur up on capitol hill. let's get some analysis on top story from trey gowdy former congressman from south carolina and george washington university law school professor jonathan turley. trey, let me start with you, you've been around the block in hearings that are contentious at times. both sides trying to do different things. what was your take on this hearing? >> i thought he handled the very well. you know, bret, i woke up this morning not sure what robert hur's incompetent canned stand trial. can't assist in his defense. can't testify, is he legally incompetent. number two, that there was some evidence missing on an element of the offense. so you have different elements and there was an evidentiary shortcoming. number three is there is evidence on all elements, we just don't think a jury would conv
that's not true, is it, mr. hur?> that is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report. >> it's a lie is just what regular people would say, right? yeah. all right. >> bret: former special counsel hur up on capitol hill. let's get some analysis on top story from trey gowdy former congressman from south carolina and george washington university law school professor jonathan turley. trey, let me start with you, you've been around the block in hearings that are...
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here is special counsel hur reading from his own rt on the matter. >> unlike the evidence involving mr. biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of mr. trump if proven would present serious aligating facts. >> keep going. >> ctcongresswoman, i'm happy t let you c read the words of of report. >> well, it's your report so i think it's more fitting you read those. >> most notably after being asked to return documents and avoid prosecution mr. trump did the opposite. he also obstructed justice. >> we'll get into hur's apparent reluctance there to read the negative parts about donald trump o even if they were partse wrote. but congresswoman madeleine dean in the exchange forced mr. hur to highlight the most important conclusion in this whole thing. in one case biden's you have what seems to be a legitimate mistake followed with full cooperation with law enforcement. and the other, trump's, you have what appears to be criminal the intent of obstruction of justice. and as to illustrate the chasm yesterday we got even more evidence just how intentionally criminal donald trump's actio
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hur's description of mr.his report as a sympathetic well meaning elderly man with a poor memory and diminished faculties. while having nothing to do with the documents, hur made the claim in his report that during his five-hour interview, biden was unable to remember key dates including when his son beau died of cancer. you better believe the right wing ran with that claim, as further proof that biden is too old to be commander in chief. yeah, except we now have the transcript of the interview right here that shows it was a lie. even when hur was called out on it today, he doubled down. >> i want to give you a chance since the transcript is out to correct the record on an important point. a very sadly, your report on page 208 says that mr. biden couldn't come up with the date, the year of his son beau biden's death, when in fact in the transcript, it shows you asked him the month, and you know what he said, mr. hur? he said oh, god, may 30th. would you like to correct the record? his memory was pretty firm on
hur's description of mr.his report as a sympathetic well meaning elderly man with a poor memory and diminished faculties. while having nothing to do with the documents, hur made the claim in his report that during his five-hour interview, biden was unable to remember key dates including when his son beau died of cancer. you better believe the right wing ran with that claim, as further proof that biden is too old to be commander in chief. yeah, except we now have the transcript of the interview...
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and thank you, mr. hur for being here. thank you for your read it and i think where you and i might have disagreements. there may be matters of opinion not necessarily the facts as you reported them. so i want to i want to go over the elements of the offense that seem to have at least struck micros is where you put in here twice that the jury would not find not likely to find intentionality on the part of disclosure in particular. i want to talk about that for say. so. so it's not willful. we might say an accident something negligent or careless that would not necessarily rise to willful or intentional or or purposeful, right? >> those are different standards of intent under the law? yes, sir. >> yeah. >> so so when president biden misplaced 30 briefing documents in 2010, that had classified material and then they're not sure even if they ever got them all back or when he was in the hamptons part at a party and he lost what they were calling code words, which has high security information that wasn't necessarily willful. t
and thank you, mr. hur for being here. thank you for your read it and i think where you and i might have disagreements. there may be matters of opinion not necessarily the facts as you reported them. so i want to i want to go over the elements of the offense that seem to have at least struck micros is where you put in here twice that the jury would not find not likely to find intentionality on the part of disclosure in particular. i want to talk about that for say. so. so it's not willful. we...
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what was mr. hur trying to say? >> and congressman swalwell, the use of the word willful. that president biden willfully possessed classified documents. it is such a misleading thing for the general public to get only that and not have included in that, that the only documents that he willfully possessed, that he knew he possessed, that he deliberately possessed were his own handwritten notes which is exactly what ronald reagan did with his own handwritten notes and that was considered when ronald reagan did it by the justice department to not be criminal and they made no attempt to get those notes back from ronald reagan. >> and that is very telling, lawrence. but also, when you read the transcript, you see, you know, the president has a clear handle on what was unaccounted for and he explains it as his staff, you know, were largely responsible. is he such a kind person, he said aim not trying to throw the staff under the bus here. but my notes, the only ones i handled. and i think this is such a perfect side by side of two people. so put aside, you know, what you believe
what was mr. hur trying to say? >> and congressman swalwell, the use of the word willful. that president biden willfully possessed classified documents. it is such a misleading thing for the general public to get only that and not have included in that, that the only documents that he willfully possessed, that he knew he possessed, that he deliberately possessed were his own handwritten notes which is exactly what ronald reagan did with his own handwritten notes and that was considered...
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mr. hur, how much did president biden receive for this book?ion dollars. $8 million, joe biden had 8 million reasons to break rules. biden himself told the special prosecutor that he did not remember what he said to the biographer, did not remember whether he kept secret documents in his house, and even more so did not remember how these... trump confused iraq and afghanistan with iran. republicans pointed out that the us president was outright lying, shielding himself. the president said, i did not share classified information with anyone, i guarantee it. that's not true, is it, mr. huth? this contradicts the evidence collected in my date. that is, it’s a lie, as ordinary people would say people, right? special prosecutor hur's assertion about biden's poor memory so far saved the us president from the trial, but it hit his image and election campaign, and democrats were very unhappy with this. in your opening remarks, you stated that you did not humiliate the president, but that is exactly what you did, you should have understood that your rep
mr. hur, how much did president biden receive for this book?ion dollars. $8 million, joe biden had 8 million reasons to break rules. biden himself told the special prosecutor that he did not remember what he said to the biographer, did not remember whether he kept secret documents in his house, and even more so did not remember how these... trump confused iraq and afghanistan with iran. republicans pointed out that the us president was outright lying, shielding himself. the president said, i...
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that's not true, is it, mr. hur? is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report. >> yes, it's a lie, isn't it. >> the likely outcome would be a conviction. >> you exonerated him. >> i did not exonerate him. >> mr. hur, it's my time. >> all i have to do when i'm caught taking home classified materials, i'm sorry, mr. hur, i'm getting old, my memory is on so great. this is the doctrine you established in our laws. it's frightening. >> you can't tell me you're so naive to think your words would not have created a political fire storm. >> what you're suggesting is yishape, sanitize my reasons for political reasons. >> that you not shape your response for political can reasons. >> that did not happen. maria: time for the hot topic of the hour. that was robert hur yesterday, on his investigation into president biden's mishand a dhandlingclass need documents. democrat congressman adam schiff and hank johnson sparring with hur with his decision to include statements on biden's poor memory in the report.
that's not true, is it, mr. hur? is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report. >> yes, it's a lie, isn't it. >> the likely outcome would be a conviction. >> you exonerated him. >> i did not exonerate him. >> mr. hur, it's my time. >> all i have to do when i'm caught taking home classified materials, i'm sorry, mr. hur, i'm getting old, my memory is on so great. this is the doctrine you established in our laws. it's frightening....
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hur writing while mr.trump was given multiple chances to return the documents he allegedly did the opposite and enlisted others to destroy the etched. >> it's a distraction from the 91 federal and state charges that u doctdonald trump faces nw >> reporter: republicans say his motives included an $8 million book advance >> it wasn't just $8 million it was also his ego! pride and money is why he knowingly violated the rules you agree with that, mr. hur >> that language does appear in the report, and we did identify evidence supporting those, those assessments. >> reporter: the white house says this is now case closed and that the special counsel report cleared the president. but republicans are expected to make his age an issue in the upc upcoming campaign. back to you. >> gabe, thank you >>> this morning the house is set to voteon a bill that coul effectively ban the popular app tiktok in the united states. house leaders expect the bill to pass with strong bipartisan support, even with some democrats raisin
hur writing while mr.trump was given multiple chances to return the documents he allegedly did the opposite and enlisted others to destroy the etched. >> it's a distraction from the 91 federal and state charges that u doctdonald trump faces nw >> reporter: republicans say his motives included an $8 million book advance >> it wasn't just $8 million it was also his ego! pride and money is why he knowingly violated the rules you agree with that, mr. hur >> that language...
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hur? you don't do things to prejudice this subject and investigation when you are declining to prosecute. you don't fortuitously add language that you know will be useful in a political campaign. you were not born yesterday. you made a choice that was a political choice. it was the wrong choice. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> joining me now is congressman adam schiff of california, a member of the house judiciary committee and former lead house impeachment manager during the first senate impeachment trial. it is great to see you. i think you made an impact, shall we say, in your assessment of the former special counsel. what was your assessment after you asked him whether or not he believed this was not a political document? or that he did not make any political considerations when assessing president biden's memory? did you believe him? >> no. i didn't believe him at all. he tried to claim that this was a confidential memo, but he knew it would be made public. the attorney general made it
hur? you don't do things to prejudice this subject and investigation when you are declining to prosecute. you don't fortuitously add language that you know will be useful in a political campaign. you were not born yesterday. you made a choice that was a political choice. it was the wrong choice. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> joining me now is congressman adam schiff of california, a member of the house judiciary committee and former lead house impeachment manager during the first senate...
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mr. hur, how much did president biden receive for this book?e 8 million dollars. $8 million, joe biden had 8 million reasons to break the rules. biden himself told the special counsel that he doesn’t remember what he told the biographer, he doesn’t remember whether he kept secret documents in his house, and even more so he doesn’t remember how these... files could have gotten to him, very convenient. biden also could not remember the year of his son’s death, the year he finished working with obama and the year trump came to the white house, and confused iraq and afghanistan with iran. republicans pointed out that the us president was outright lying, shielding himself. the president said: “i did not share classified information with anyone, i guarantee it.” it is not true, isn't it, mr. hus? this is contrary to the evidence collected in my report. that is, it is a lie, as ordinary people would say, right? special prosecutor hur's assertion about biden's poor memory so far saved the us president from the trial, but it hit his image and election c
mr. hur, how much did president biden receive for this book?e 8 million dollars. $8 million, joe biden had 8 million reasons to break the rules. biden himself told the special counsel that he doesn’t remember what he told the biographer, he doesn’t remember whether he kept secret documents in his house, and even more so he doesn’t remember how these... files could have gotten to him, very convenient. biden also could not remember the year of his son’s death, the year he finished working...
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what mr. hur will open with, he won't have much to add other than what is in the report.responses today will be limited to clarifying for the committee, i will refrain from speculating or commenting on areas. >> ainsley: do the american people really care about this? don't take any more classified documents out if you are president and move on. the two are running against each other for president. >> brian: they care only because trump is charged. what was he doing for 40 years? why is he not charged? that may be something to vote for. what about the other guy? why is he charged with multiple charges, costing millions in case that could stop him from campaigning for at least four weeks. >> steve: keep in mind, the damning part, joe biden's doj says that joe biden is sympathetic old man with a terrible memory. that is the part that stings. >> brian: i would rather say charge me. charge me, say i got my memory. >> steve: i'm fine. >> ainsley: rather go to jail than anyone say you have that memory. >> steve: that will kickoff less than two hours from now. >> brian: president
what mr. hur will open with, he won't have much to add other than what is in the report.responses today will be limited to clarifying for the committee, i will refrain from speculating or commenting on areas. >> ainsley: do the american people really care about this? don't take any more classified documents out if you are president and move on. the two are running against each other for president. >> brian: they care only because trump is charged. what was he doing for 40 years? why...
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hur completely exonerated president biden. and then there is donald trump.hat kind of man bungles not one but dozens of opportunities to avoid criminal liability? what does that say about his mental state? >> one of the great memories of all-time -- don't remember the names. don't remember the names. >> viktor orban. anyone ever hear of him? he is the leader of turkey. >> nikki haley -- nikki haley is in charge of security. about that? >> did you actually have a one- on-one with comey then? >> not that i remember. >> they are truly foreign languages. nobody speaks in. >> saudi russia. >> i have a really good memory. >> your next wife was a woman by the name of >> that is ray. >> you recall what years you are married? >> it is up here and called memory and other things. >> i don't remember that. >> and putin has so little respect for obama that he is starting to throw around the nuclear term. >> we have to win in november or we will not have pennsylvania. the name. >> i talked to putin a lot. >> i don't remember that. i saw that this morning. >> a good memory
hur completely exonerated president biden. and then there is donald trump.hat kind of man bungles not one but dozens of opportunities to avoid criminal liability? what does that say about his mental state? >> one of the great memories of all-time -- don't remember the names. don't remember the names. >> viktor orban. anyone ever hear of him? he is the leader of turkey. >> nikki haley -- nikki haley is in charge of security. about that? >> did you actually have a one-...
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mr. hur, how much did president biden get for this book? something like 8 million dollars?ion reasons to break. himself biden told the special prosecutor that he did not remember what he said to the biographer, did not remember whether he kept secret documents in his house, and even more so did not remember how these files could have gotten to him in the first place, very conveniently. biden also could not remember the year of his son’s death, the year he finished working with obama, and the year trump came to the white house, confusing iraq and afghanistan with iran. republicans pointed out that the us president was outright lying, shielding himself. the president stated. democrats asked to be taken into account. immediately after has nothing to do with my report. discovery of classified documents, biden notified his own administration, returned the files and actively cooperated with the investigation. as for a similar case against trump, unlike the forgetful biden, he has already been brought to trial. hearings could take place in july, although trump is asking for the pr
mr. hur, how much did president biden get for this book? something like 8 million dollars?ion reasons to break. himself biden told the special prosecutor that he did not remember what he said to the biographer, did not remember whether he kept secret documents in his house, and even more so did not remember how these files could have gotten to him in the first place, very conveniently. biden also could not remember the year of his son’s death, the year he finished working with obama, and the...
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. >> mr. hur, you cannot tell me you're so naive as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm. you understood that, didn't you, when you wrote those words? >> congressman, politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> reporter: hur questioned the president for five hours over two days in october and wrote that the president forgot key dates like when his son beau died. but a 258-page transcript of the interview shows the president remembered the month and day, may 30th, just not the year. after the report was released last month, the president blasted hur. >> referenced that i don't remember when my son died. how in the hell dare he raise that? >> reporter: hur explained -- >> the need to show my work was especially strong here. the attorney general had appointed me to investigate the actions of the attorney general's boss, the sitting president of the united states. >> reporter: several republicans accused hur of letting the president off easy. >> all
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and robert hur find it says mr. president, i'm sorry to interrupt you. but we do have a lot of material to go over here. it's it's classic biden, but it is one of the indications that you see of this, of how five hours came to be concealed, jake? >> yeah. no practice. it says i'm just reading here at page 67, probably one of the best parts to being vice president and president. and i get to drive all these electric vehicles. i have dam there quick, you know, i think i think about this. you have one of those big four by fours. i think it's a ford bronco, whatever it is, zero to 60 in 46 and hurts like yes that's fast. present biden says, yeah, by the way, you know how it works. it's really cool. and mr. and hur's like, sir, i would love to hear much more about this, but i do have a few more questions to get through. biden keeps going. you can take 30 seconds, but you put your your foot on the break, you hit a button. i mean, you know, old storyteller, evan perez. thanks so much for joining us. appreciate it despite his report and his testimony today, spec
and robert hur find it says mr. president, i'm sorry to interrupt you. but we do have a lot of material to go over here. it's it's classic biden, but it is one of the indications that you see of this, of how five hours came to be concealed, jake? >> yeah. no practice. it says i'm just reading here at page 67, probably one of the best parts to being vice president and president. and i get to drive all these electric vehicles. i have dam there quick, you know, i think i think about this....
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that's not true, is it, mr. hur? >> that is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report. >> it's a lie. >> you exonerated him. >> i did not exonerate him. that word does not appear in the report. >> mr. hur, it's my time. >> all i have to do when i'm caught taking home classified vehicles but i'm sorry. i'm getting old and my memory is not so great. this is the doctrine that you established in our laws now and it's frightening. >> you cannot tell me your so naive to think that your words would not have created a political firestorm. >> what your suggesting is that i shaped, sanitize, omit portions of my reasons for political reasons. >> i suggest you not shape your report for political reasons, which is what you did. >> that did not happen. >> neil: so it wentz for almost six hours talking past each other. robert hur caught up in the food fight, right in the middle of a food fight. that wouldn't stop and didn't stop. why robert f. kennedy jr. says there's got to be a better way, another way. may
that's not true, is it, mr. hur? >> that is inconsistent with the findings based on the evidence in my report. >> it's a lie. >> you exonerated him. >> i did not exonerate him. that word does not appear in the report. >> mr. hur, it's my time. >> all i have to do when i'm caught taking home classified vehicles but i'm sorry. i'm getting old and my memory is not so great. this is the doctrine that you established in our laws now and it's frightening. >>...
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. >> mr hur i'm going to continue with my question.that the term -- i know that the term. [ simultaneous talking ] >> you exonerated him. i know the term will full retention -- mr hur, it's my time. >> jesse: today's testimony proof that biden spread classified documents across three states in six unsecured locations after being warned repeatedly. >> mr hur, classified documents were found at the biden center? in president biden's raj? and in his basement then? >> yes. >> and in his main floor office? and his third floor den? >> correct. >> at the university of delaware? and at the biden institute? >> correct. >> is it accurate to quote your report that classified documents were found in "badly damaged boxes in his garage, near a collapsed dog crate, a dog bed, an empty bucket, is that correct? >> those words to appear in the report. >> jesse: biden even told hur his garage was such a messy moved boxes around himself so his corvette had more room. the president admitted there was a kid who used to help me take care of my corvette but d
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. >> mr.ur, you cannot tell me you're so naive as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm. you understood that, didn't you, when you wrote those words? >> congressman, politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> reporter: hur questioned the president for five hours over two days in october and wrote that the president forgot key dates like when his son, beau, died. but a 258-page transcript of the interview released today shows the president remembered the month and day, may 30th, just not the year. after the report was released last month, the president blasted hur. >> there's even reference that i don't remember when my son died. how in the hell dare he raise that? >> reporter: today hur explained. >> the need to show my work was especially strong here. the attorney general had appointed me to investigate the actions of the attorney general's boss, the sitting president of the united states. >> reporter: several republicans accused hur of letting
. >> mr.ur, you cannot tell me you're so naive as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm. you understood that, didn't you, when you wrote those words? >> congressman, politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> reporter: hur questioned the president for five hours over two days in october and wrote that the president forgot key dates like when his son, beau, died. but a 258-page transcript of the interview released today shows the...
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mr hur, how much did president biden pay for his book? head, i'm not sure if that amount appears in the report. sure does, there is a dollar amount in there. you remember? it may be 8 million. $ eight million. joe biden had 8 million reasons to break the rules. took classified information and shared it with the guy who was writing the book. but democrats said there was a clear difference between president biden�*s response to the investigation, and that of donald trump who is now on trial for obstruction. donald trump is charged with willfully retaining classified documents and conspiring to conceal those documents, and he is facing additional charges for lying to investigators. isn't that correct? those are allegations that are in a pending indictment against former president trump. it is a matter of public record. and the reason why president biden is not facing a single charge mr hur, is not because you went easy on him, it is because after reviewing 7 million documents and interviewing nearly 150 witnesses, including the president him
mr hur, how much did president biden pay for his book? head, i'm not sure if that amount appears in the report. sure does, there is a dollar amount in there. you remember? it may be 8 million. $ eight million. joe biden had 8 million reasons to break the rules. took classified information and shared it with the guy who was writing the book. but democrats said there was a clear difference between president biden�*s response to the investigation, and that of donald trump who is now on trial for...
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that is not your job, mr. hur.b is to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to bring a charge or whether there is not. whether there is a crime or not. it's either one way or the other. but not only was the evidence they're overwhelming, joe biden has been in washington for 50 years. he has been a senator. he has been a vice president. he has been a president. and there is no fact pattern ever that protects a sitting senator from taking classified information out of a scif, that is a crime, period, end of the story. then he moved the documents from residence to residence come office to office. one of those offices paid for by the chinese. and then he blames his staff for doing so, and that's a lie because his staff doesn't go into a scif. so the documents end up unsecured, tattered, uncovered, in his garage, next to a broken lamp, next to his corvette, and he sees those documents every time he drives the corvette in or out. so, to a person, the democrats spent the whole day saying, donald trump obstructed. we
that is not your job, mr. hur.b is to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to bring a charge or whether there is not. whether there is a crime or not. it's either one way or the other. but not only was the evidence they're overwhelming, joe biden has been in washington for 50 years. he has been a senator. he has been a vice president. he has been a president. and there is no fact pattern ever that protects a sitting senator from taking classified information out of a scif, that is a...
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. >> mr., you cannot tell me you are so naive as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm. you understood that, didn't you, when you wrote those words? >> congressman, politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> reporter: hur questioned the president for five hours over two days in october, and wrote that the president forgot key dates, like when his son beau died. but a 258-page transcript of the interview released today shows the president remembered the month and day, may 30th, just not the year. after the report was released last month, the president blasted hur. >> it was even referenced that i don't remember when my son died. how in the hell dare he raise that? >> reporter: today, hur explained. >> the need to show my work was especially strong here. the attorney general had appointed me to investigate the actions of the attorney general's boss, the sitting president of the united states. >> reporter: several republicans accused hur of letting
. >> mr., you cannot tell me you are so naive as to think your words would not have created a political firestorm. you understood that, didn't you, when you wrote those words? >> congressman, politics played no part whatsoever in my investigative steps. >> reporter: hur questioned the president for five hours over two days in october, and wrote that the president forgot key dates, like when his son beau died. but a 258-page transcript of the interview released today shows the...