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plz c mrs. crumbley, if you don't understand the question, ask mr.east to clarify. >> thank you. >> you talked about going to planning mode? >> yes. >> that was in reference to counsel asking you about emotions and how you express emotions. >> correct. >> okay. so i want to talk to you about in planning mode and your priorities from the time you were arrested. >> okay. >> now, your phone calls were recorded from the time that you were arrested until now, is that you know that? >> correct, yes. i knew that. >> you know that, okay. your priority on the first phone call, december 4th of 2021, was on your animals and the cash recovered from the art studio. do you deny that? >> i don't deny it. >> do you deny that it wasn't until ten days later, 14 calls later, that you mentioned your son? >> i was -- >> do you deny it or not? >> i don't. i was under the impression i couldn't mention him because i could get flagged at the jail. >> when you mention him in later conversations -- >> i did. >> in fact, in one a year later, march 25th of 2023, you said, "he ju
plz c mrs. crumbley, if you don't understand the question, ask mr.east to clarify. >> thank you. >> you talked about going to planning mode? >> yes. >> that was in reference to counsel asking you about emotions and how you express emotions. >> correct. >> okay. so i want to talk to you about in planning mode and your priorities from the time you were arrested. >> okay. >> now, your phone calls were recorded from the time that you were arrested...
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crumbley. >> reporter: prosecutors suggesting crumbley ignored red flags. >> he was struggling he was hallucinating he was seeing things she did not give him the help that he wanted >> reporter: the defense hitting back >> trained professionals told mrs. crumbley her son was not a risk. >> reporter: nine days of testimony culminating with crumbley, the defense's only witness. she was cross-examined by prosecutors today >> and you don't deny that you never once, never once took him to see a therapist or counselor? >> no, i did not >> reporter: prosecutors also pushing back on crumbley's earlier testimony that her husband, james, who is set to be tried in march, was responsible for securing ethan's gun. >> well, you didn't trust him to get out of bed on time. >> correct. >> but this is the person you trusted with a deadly weapon >> i did. >> reporter: the defense making one final plea. >> i am asking that you find jennifer crumbley not guilty, not just for jennifer crumbley, but for every mother who is out there doing the best they can, who could easily be in her shoes. >> reporter: jur
crumbley. >> reporter: prosecutors suggesting crumbley ignored red flags. >> he was struggling he was hallucinating he was seeing things she did not give him the help that he wanted >> reporter: the defense hitting back >> trained professionals told mrs. crumbley her son was not a risk. >> reporter: nine days of testimony culminating with crumbley, the defense's only witness. she was cross-examined by prosecutors today >> and you don't deny that you never...
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back >> trained professionals told mr.t a risk >> reporter: nine days of testimony culminating with crumbley, the defense's only witness. cross examined by prosecutors yesterday. >> you don't deny ever once took him to see a therapist >> no, i did not >> reporter: prosecutors pushing back on crumbley's earlier testimony that her husband, james, who is set to be tried in march, was responsible for securing ethan's gun. >> were you trusting him to get out of bed >> correct. >> you didn't trust him to cut the grass? >> he cut the grass when it got to a length i did not like >> you didn'ttrust him to not turn off or turn on the ring camera in the home >> correct >> this is the person you trusted with a deadly weapon >> i did >> reporter: the defense making one final plea >> i am asking that you find jennifer crumbley not guilty not just for jennifer crumbley, but for every mother who is out there doing the best they can and could easily be in her shoes. >> reporter: jurors will deliberate the question at what point is a parent
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. >> such an important question, chris, because the crumbleys, mr. crumbley is being charged in a different trial that will happen later, they're first parents to face homicide charges for a school shooting by a child. this case wouldn't have any formal legal precedent in the sense that it would be binding in terms of law and other courts. but it would embolden some prosecutors when their case in which a child has committed harm to go after the parents. and the jury would have to find that the parents -- in their son's mental health and providing them with the weapon makes them responsible in part for the four deaths. >> as we look at this -- let's listen. the judge is on the bench. >> are you ready for the jury? >> yes. >> let me ask -- when the jury reads their verdict after that, remain seated. >> i really want the audience to stay seated after that. [ inaudible ] >> all rise for the jury. >> you may be seated. >> i understand you have a verdict. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> are you the foreperson? >> i am. >> could you believe deliver
. >> such an important question, chris, because the crumbleys, mr. crumbley is being charged in a different trial that will happen later, they're first parents to face homicide charges for a school shooting by a child. this case wouldn't have any formal legal precedent in the sense that it would be binding in terms of law and other courts. but it would embolden some prosecutors when their case in which a child has committed harm to go after the parents. and the jury would have to find...
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and this clearly was not foreseeable to mrs.y. >> reporter: what does the jury need to decide now? >> whether or not, based on all of the evidence, that it was reasonably foreseeable for mrs. crumbley to think that her son would do this violence. and it's got to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> reporter: closing arguments wrapped today. and jurors will be back here on monday to begin deliberations. now, if convicted on all four counts, crumbley faces a maximum of 60 years in prison. norah? >> norah: lilia luciano, thank you. turning out to the weather, with california already dealing with flooded roads and standing water, a second more dangerous atmospheric river is bearing down on the state. for the forecast, let's bring in meteorologist chris warren from our partners at the weather channel. good evening, chris. >> good evening, norah. another strong storm moving in to the west coast going to bring a lot of rain. if los angeles ends up getting o what happened over the past couple of days, this will end up being the wette
and this clearly was not foreseeable to mrs.y. >> reporter: what does the jury need to decide now? >> whether or not, based on all of the evidence, that it was reasonably foreseeable for mrs. crumbley to think that her son would do this violence. and it's got to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> reporter: closing arguments wrapped today. and jurors will be back here on monday to begin deliberations. now, if convicted on all four counts, crumbley faces a maximum of 60...
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adam, it'll come out, all right, mrs. crumbley. can you please start by the jury who you are. >> my name is jennifer crumbley another defended in this case. >> how old are you? >> 45. >> mrs. crumbling, the jury has heard so much testimony, do you agree? >> yes. >> i'm going to go a little bit faster through things, and if there is something we need to explain, or if i'm cutting you off, please let me know. can you understand that as i speak, you have to wait for me to finish speaking? >> correct. >> mrs. crumbly, very briefly, go ahead and tell the jury what you did for a living. >> i was a marketing director at a market the acquisition company. >> helen five years. >> does that kind of position include presentations or public speaking, anything like that? >> not a lot. >> how do you feel right now about talking to this jury? >> public speaking is probably my biggest fear, very nervous. >> at times, you have been upset during this trial, is that correct? >> correct. >> are you okay to keep proceeding? >> yes. >> i want you to tell
adam, it'll come out, all right, mrs. crumbley. can you please start by the jury who you are. >> my name is jennifer crumbley another defended in this case. >> how old are you? >> 45. >> mrs. crumbling, the jury has heard so much testimony, do you agree? >> yes. >> i'm going to go a little bit faster through things, and if there is something we need to explain, or if i'm cutting you off, please let me know. can you understand that as i speak, you have to wait...
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crumbley because there's no one in the world including mrs. crumbley who would have let a school shooting happen and let what happened on november 30th take place. not only ruining the lives of so many families and victims and taking the lives of four young people, but also ruining her own son's life and ripping his life right from her as well. >> i'd like to bring in defense attorney, misty maris. what's your take on the closing arguments? >> two diametrically different points of view, of course. now, the prosecution did a really good job of narrowing in on that fateful day. the day of the shooting. and talking about all of the different actions that could have been taken by jennifer cru crumbley. she goes to a meeting with the school. there's a very disturbing drawing that depicts a gun and disturbing statements and a decision is made to not take ethan out of the school. defense taking the other side and saying you could be her. this was not foreseeable. there's parents on the jury. all of this has context. she had no idea that her son would
crumbley because there's no one in the world including mrs. crumbley who would have let a school shooting happen and let what happened on november 30th take place. not only ruining the lives of so many families and victims and taking the lives of four young people, but also ruining her own son's life and ripping his life right from her as well. >> i'd like to bring in defense attorney, misty maris. what's your take on the closing arguments? >> two diametrically different points of...
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crumbley, because there's no one in the world, including mrs.mbley, who would let a school shooting happen. >> reporter: scenes from the day of the shooting were shown in court while the jury heard from those who survived it. >> i texted my husband, i love you. active shooter. and then i started feeling blood dripping down my arm. >> reporter: jennifer crumbley took the stand earlier in the trial during the defense of the case. and appeared to shift some blame on to her husband. >> who is responsible for storing the gun? >> my husband is. >> reporter: jennifer's husband, james crumbley, is scheduled to go to trial on the same charges in early march. he, too, has pleaded not guilty. >> jennifer crumbley will be sentenced on april 9th in this courthouse right behind me. under michigan law, it is not only allowed but it is encouraged to have victim impact statements. it will be an emotional day because the victims in this particular case, once again, those four students, the families that were gunned down by ethan crumbley in november of 2021. as f
crumbley, because there's no one in the world, including mrs.mbley, who would let a school shooting happen. >> reporter: scenes from the day of the shooting were shown in court while the jury heard from those who survived it. >> i texted my husband, i love you. active shooter. and then i started feeling blood dripping down my arm. >> reporter: jennifer crumbley took the stand earlier in the trial during the defense of the case. and appeared to shift some blame on to her...
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crumbley because there's no one in the world, including mrs. crumbley, who would let a school shooting happen. >> reporter: scenes from the day of the shooting were heard in court while the jury heard from those who survived it. >> i texted my husband, i love you, and then i started feeling blood dripping down my arm. >> reporter: jennifer crumbley took the stand and appeared to shift some of the blame on to her husband. >> who was responsible for storing the gun? >> my husband is. >> reporter: jennifer's husband is scheduled to go to trial on the same charges in early march. he, too, has pleaded not guilty. and jennifer's sentencing will be on the 9th. we expect it to be extremely emotional because if there are, and there should be victim impact statements, those would be the family members of those four students that were gunned down by ethan crumbley. no word whether james crumbley's trial will get started one month from today on the 9th of march. >> jean, thank you very much. >>> i want to bring you in our chief legal analyst lora coats. th
crumbley because there's no one in the world, including mrs. crumbley, who would let a school shooting happen. >> reporter: scenes from the day of the shooting were heard in court while the jury heard from those who survived it. >> i texted my husband, i love you, and then i started feeling blood dripping down my arm. >> reporter: jennifer crumbley took the stand and appeared to shift some of the blame on to her husband. >> who was responsible for storing the gun?...
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was an engaged parent. >> no one could have expected this, including mrs. crumbley. >> reporter: legal experts say this case may have implications far beyond this courthouse does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings, school shootings in the future >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive precedent. >> reporter: but for steve st. juliana, it's simply justice for his 14-year-old daughter hana. anything you want to say to the jury? >> just thank you for using common sense >> and maggie, jennifer crumbley's trial may be over, but her husband's is still to come. >> reporter: yeah, lester, that's right james crumbley's trial is set for march 5th, he's also charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter and when jennifer crumbley is sentenced in april, she faces up to 15 years per count. lester >> maggie vespa, thank you. >>> in washington, a federal appeals court ruled president trump can stand trial after being accused of unlawfully trying to overturn the 2020 election this after the court denied
was an engaged parent. >> no one could have expected this, including mrs. crumbley. >> reporter: legal experts say this case may have implications far beyond this courthouse does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings, school shootings in the future >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive precedent. >> reporter: but for steve st. juliana, it's simply justice for his 14-year-old daughter hana. anything you want to...
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was an engaged parent >> no one could have expected this, including mrs. crumbley. >> reporter: legal experts say this may have implications far beyond this courthouse does interestthis open the doorr parents to be held accountable for mass shootings in the future >> i think it will be used as persuasive precedent >> reporter: but for st. julianna, it's justice for his daughter hannah. anything you want to say to the jury >> just thank you for using common sense >> reporter: jennifer crumbley's trial may be over, but her husband's is still to come james crumbley's trial is set to begin on march 5th he also is charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, and when jennifer crumbley is sentenced in april she faces up to 15 years in prison per count back to you. >> plagymaggie, thank you. >>> in idaho, a judge is rejecting bryan kohberger's motion to dismiss his indictment the students were found stabbed to death in 2022 prosecutors are seeking a trial date for this summer >>> it's now been four months since hamas attacked israel in a vicious assault
was an engaged parent >> no one could have expected this, including mrs. crumbley. >> reporter: legal experts say this may have implications far beyond this courthouse does interestthis open the doorr parents to be held accountable for mass shootings in the future >> i think it will be used as persuasive precedent >> reporter: but for st. julianna, it's justice for his daughter hannah. anything you want to say to the jury >> just thank you for using common sense...
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no one could have expected this, including mrs.mbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of the mother of the oxford, michigan, school shooter. >> she walked out of that school when just the smallest, smallest of things could have saved, could have helped hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> the crumbleys son was a skilled manipulator, and they didn't realize it. he's not sick. he doesn't have a mental illness. no parent would purchase a weapon if they believed their child had mental illnesses. >> reporter: before closing arguments began, jennifer crumbley faced cross-examination, testifying she knew her son was acting depressed after his only friend moved away just one month before the shooting. >> but you knew to be true in november of 2021 that he had no peer support. >> i don't know what he had in school. he had told me he had friends in school he talks to. >> okay. you never
no one could have expected this, including mrs.mbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of the mother of the oxford, michigan, school shooter. >> she walked out of that school when just the smallest, smallest of things could have saved, could have helped hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> the crumbleys son was a skilled...
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we think the evidence is overwhelming against m mr. crumbley.e had extreme difficulties without getting him the help. he's going to see the same fate. unlike a lot of people in this process, i'm not shocked and worried about future parents being charged for crimes their kid did. that's not what happened here. that's how it's been labeled by certain people. these people, in this case, jennifer crumbley was found guilty of her peers in oakland county, her home county, because of the things she did completely wrong and the things she didn't do completely wrong. one of which happened to be, obviously, supporting the gun being purchased for this young man. she, her, going to the shooting range days before and not ever telling the school personnel about that gun. huge problem. >> what an important point you raised. chad, megan, i give you the last word on this. i keep going through my mind as a mommy. thinking about how all of our kids are having active shooter drills as part of the curriculum. the way we had recess was standard. they are having activ
we think the evidence is overwhelming against m mr. crumbley.e had extreme difficulties without getting him the help. he's going to see the same fate. unlike a lot of people in this process, i'm not shocked and worried about future parents being charged for crimes their kid did. that's not what happened here. that's how it's been labeled by certain people. these people, in this case, jennifer crumbley was found guilty of her peers in oakland county, her home county, because of the things she...
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. >> it was unforeseeable, no one could have expected this including mrs.crumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury of the mother of the oxford, michigan shooter. >> he walked out of that school with the smallest of things. could have stayed, could have helped. hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> the crumbley son was a skilled manipulator and they didn't realize it. he's not sick, he doesn't have a mental illness. no parent would purchase a weapon if they believed their child had mental illnesses. >> before closing arguments began, crumbley faced cross- examination saying their son acted like he had depression after his friend moved. >> i didn't nope -- know what he had in school. he told me he had friends in school he talked to. >> you never met them. >> no. >> he had no clubs in school he was involved in. >> no. >> reporter: crumbley has pleaded not guilty. she is facing four counts of murder. the prosecution pressing crumb
. >> it was unforeseeable, no one could have expected this including mrs.crumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury of the mother of the oxford, michigan shooter. >> he walked out of that school with the smallest of things. could have stayed, could have helped. hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> the crumbley son was a skilled manipulator...
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mrs. crumbley, i have two areas of questions for you. mr. keast played some recordings. who were you on the phone with in those recordings? >> my dad. >> okay. so you asked a couple of questions about calories, and then what was the other one? >> i guess the child tax credit. >> okay. how often did you speak with your dad? >> during the summer, it was every day. they went back to work, and it was just on the weekends. they're both teachers. >> how many hours a day did you spend -- do you spend with other people? >> sometimes it's none. sometimes it's when they walk by my cell, i'll talk to them. i'm locked down 23 hours a day. i get one hour out by myself. i talk to my clergy lady weekly, so i see her. sometimes i talk to the church priest, or i'll talk to my attorney. that's about the most human contact i get. >> so i guess one of my questions is, when you do talk to people, you talk about -- are there more conversations than just those? >> right, there are. >> okay. and then that night, on december 3rd going into the 4th, after -- there was one phone being used, that r
mrs. crumbley, i have two areas of questions for you. mr. keast played some recordings. who were you on the phone with in those recordings? >> my dad. >> okay. so you asked a couple of questions about calories, and then what was the other one? >> i guess the child tax credit. >> okay. how often did you speak with your dad? >> during the summer, it was every day. they went back to work, and it was just on the weekends. they're both teachers. >> how many hours...
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so, when you see messages from mrs. crumbley's son saying, will you at least call back, those are so out of context. and when i am driving home every day, i am getting messages, will you at least call back, and i don't, because i know what they want is for me to run through the mcdonald's drive-through and bring everyone a coke. i do stop and get myself a coke, but i am not getting drinks every day for everyone and i realized it is not -- it is easier to not answer the phone. >> we have been listening to shannon smith the defense attorney for jennifer crumbley. let's discuss now with legal analyst and civil rights attorney martin. you have been listening to some of these closing arguments, what you make of this? >> reporter: i have to tell you, boris, the style and mannerism of this defense attorney, i think it may be offputting. she uses a lot of sarcasm, and i just think for a case of this nature, four kids are dead, seven individuals were injured in the school shooting, this is the most serious case anyone can be a p
so, when you see messages from mrs. crumbley's son saying, will you at least call back, those are so out of context. and when i am driving home every day, i am getting messages, will you at least call back, and i don't, because i know what they want is for me to run through the mcdonald's drive-through and bring everyone a coke. i do stop and get myself a coke, but i am not getting drinks every day for everyone and i realized it is not -- it is easier to not answer the phone. >> we have...
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no one could have expected this, including mrs.rumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of the mother of the oxford michigan school shooter. >> she walked out of that school when just the smallest, smallest of things could have saved, could have helped hanna and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. the crumbleys' son was a skilled manipulator and they didn't realize it. he's not sick, he doesn't have a mental illness. no parent would purchase a weapon if they believed their child had mental illnesses. >> reporter: before closing arguments began, jennifer crumbley faced cross-examination, testifying she knew her son was acting depressed after his friend moved away just one month before the shooting. >> in november of 2021, he had no peer support. >> i don't know what he had in school. he told me he had friends in school he talks to. >> you never met them, though? >> no. >> and he didn't have
no one could have expected this, including mrs.rumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of the mother of the oxford michigan school shooter. >> she walked out of that school when just the smallest, smallest of things could have saved, could have helped hanna and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. the crumbleys' son was a skilled manipulator...
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no one could have expected this, including mrs.rumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of the mother of the oxford, michigan school shooter. >> she walked out of that school when just the smallest, smallest, of things could have saved, could have helped hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> the crumbley's son was a skilled manipulator and they didn't realize it. he's not sick. he doesn't have a mental illness. no parent would purchase a weapon if they believed their child had mental illnesses. >> reporter: before closing arguments began, jennifer crumbley faced cross-examination, testifying she knew her son was acting depressed after his only friend moved away just one month before the shooting. >> in november of 2021, that he had no peer support? >> i don't know what he had in school. he told me he had friends in school he talks to. >> okay. you never met them? >> no. >> and h
no one could have expected this, including mrs.rumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of the mother of the oxford, michigan school shooter. >> she walked out of that school when just the smallest, smallest, of things could have saved, could have helped hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> the crumbley's son was a skilled...
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we think the evidence is overwhelming against mr. crumbley as well.d the gun for a younger man he knew was disturbed and having extreme difficulties without getting him the appropriate health. so, yeah, i think he is going to see the same fate. unlike a lot of people in this process, i am not shocked, or worried about future parents being charged for crimes that their kid did. that's not what happened here. it is how it's been labeled by certain people. these people, in this case, jennifer crumbley, was found guilty by a jury of her peers in oakland county, her home county, because of the things she did, completely wrong, and things she didn't do completely wrong, one of which happened to be, obviously, supporting a gun being purchased for this young man, and she, her, are going to the shooting range, days before, and not telling, not ever telling school personnel about that gun. huge problem. >> what an important point you've raised. chad and meghan i, will give you the last word on this. i keep going through my mind, as a mom, right? thinking about
we think the evidence is overwhelming against mr. crumbley as well.d the gun for a younger man he knew was disturbed and having extreme difficulties without getting him the appropriate health. so, yeah, i think he is going to see the same fate. unlike a lot of people in this process, i am not shocked, or worried about future parents being charged for crimes that their kid did. that's not what happened here. it is how it's been labeled by certain people. these people, in this case, jennifer...
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mrs. crumbley. >> you were talking about the meeting at the school. i think the jurors heard a lot about this so i will fast- forward. you go back to work, you thought ethan walker back in. >> correct. >> you heard amanda testified how she gives you advice can it do recall her giving advice? >> i don't. >> issue so many go to advice? >> no. >> why not? >> we were not friends outside of work, she was the assistant, formalities. we had nothing in common, she had a child really young, i had a teenager. >> i want to go to the time where you heard there was an open shooter, the juror has already heard about how you heard about that. we know you got into your car and drove up to oxford. >> correct. >> we heard about the description of the caravan. did you hear about it? >> yes. the best way to get to the school. >> you were part of that with the law enforcement officers headed up. speaker i jumped in. it started on 75, i work at square lake, i got on 75 at square lake and it was well before the 24 exit, i would say a quarter-mile traffic was backed up. >> y
mrs. crumbley. >> you were talking about the meeting at the school. i think the jurors heard a lot about this so i will fast- forward. you go back to work, you thought ethan walker back in. >> correct. >> you heard amanda testified how she gives you advice can it do recall her giving advice? >> i don't. >> issue so many go to advice? >> no. >> why not? >> we were not friends outside of work, she was the assistant, formalities. we had nothing in...
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, including mrs.ley. >> reporter: legal experts say this case may have implications far beyond this courthouse. >> reporter: does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings, school shootings, in the future? >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive president. >> reporter: but for steve st. juliana, it's simply justice for his 14-year-old daughter, hana. >> reporter: anything you want to say to the jury? >> just thank you for using common sense. >> i want to welcome my friend fred guttenberg. he lost his beautiful 14-year-old daughter jaime in the parkland shooter almost six years ago to the day. fred, when i invite you on tv, it's usually not with good news . so i want to get your reaction tonight. when you heard this verdict tonight, how did it make you feel? i think you're muted, fred. i hear you now. >> okay, all right. listen, this verdict today, i can't say gamy satisfaction, because you can't remove it from what happened. but accountability ma
, including mrs.ley. >> reporter: legal experts say this case may have implications far beyond this courthouse. >> reporter: does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings, school shootings, in the future? >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive president. >> reporter: but for steve st. juliana, it's simply justice for his 14-year-old daughter, hana. >> reporter: anything you want to say to the jury? >>...
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including mrs. jennifer crumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of a mother of the oxford michigan school shooter. >> just the smallest of things could have saved, could have helped, hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> their son was a skilled manipulator and they did not realize it. he is not sick, he doesn't have a mental illness. no parent would purchase a weapon if they believed their child had mental illnesses. >> reporter: before closing arguments began, jennifer crumbley faced cross examination, testifying she knew her son was acting depressed after his only friend moved away just one month before the shooting. >> if you knew that to be true in november of 2021, that he had no peer support. >> i don't know what he had in school, he told me he had friends in school that he talks too. >> you never met them? >> no. >> and he did not have a
including mrs. jennifer crumbley. >> reporter: attorneys making their final pitches to persuade the jury in this historic trial of a mother of the oxford michigan school shooter. >> just the smallest of things could have saved, could have helped, hannah and tate and madison and justin. just the smallest of things. and not only did she not do it, she doesn't even regret it. >> their son was a skilled manipulator and they did not realize it. he is not sick, he doesn't have a...
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including mrs.l experts say this case may have implications far beyond this courthouse. >> does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings, school shootings in the future? >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive president dent. >> reporter: for steve st. juliana justice for his daughter hana. anything you want to say to the jury? >> just thank you for using common sense. >> maggie vespa reporting from michigan there. joining us now msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. this is a fascinating judgment by the jury here. because of what maggie referred to, which is this could now become not legal precedent but some kind of precedent for juries to say the parents are responsible if they saw warning signs, if they provided a weapon, say. >> it is a spirited precedent. for most of american history, we did not hold parents automatically criminally responsible for the crimes of their children and, also legally, historically, an intentional ak was often eno
including mrs.l experts say this case may have implications far beyond this courthouse. >> does this open the door for parents to be held accountable for mass shootings, school shootings in the future? >> it absolutely does. i believe this will be used as persuasive president dent. >> reporter: for steve st. juliana justice for his daughter hana. anything you want to say to the jury? >> just thank you for using common sense. >> maggie vespa reporting from michigan...
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it starts off with an email from mrs. mcconnell to sean hopkins, it says can you please touch base with ethan crumbley, in his autobiography poem he said he feels terrible and that family is a mistake. unusual responses for sure. he writes back thanks for the heads up, i've been -- i'll try to catch up with him. were you aware this was ever a discussion, or an issue? >> no. >> were you aware that mr. hopkins ever talk to or try to talk to your son. >> no. >> did anyone ever call you to make you aware of any of this? >> no. >> if you heard this, how would you react, or what would your reaction be? >> i'd be definitely concerned why he feels like his family is a mistake, and he feels terrible. that would be a concern to me. >> this is something you are unaware of? >> correct. >> and in fact, when did you find out these emails existed? >> when we started getting discovered. >> so, in this case. >> correct. >> all right i want to go to 1:57, this is on november 10th of 2021, this is miss mcconnell sends john a message, ethan
it starts off with an email from mrs. mcconnell to sean hopkins, it says can you please touch base with ethan crumbley, in his autobiography poem he said he feels terrible and that family is a mistake. unusual responses for sure. he writes back thanks for the heads up, i've been -- i'll try to catch up with him. were you aware this was ever a discussion, or an issue? >> no. >> were you aware that mr. hopkins ever talk to or try to talk to your son. >> no. >> did anyone...
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. >> dumps it is in front by three judge panel in washington, really mr. trump is not immune from prosecution. >> within 24 hours of bailing that agreement, they abandoned bipartisan border reform and ukraine for one reason, because donald trump asked them. >> the jury found jennifer crumbley, the mother of the school shooter, guilty on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. >> i think that the question that you have to confront is why a single state should decide who gets to be president of the united states. >> i want this one more than i've ever won a super bowl in my life. >> the long awaited report by special counsel robert hur concludes that no criminal charges against president biden are warranted. the special counsel's report offers scathing details of what it calls a diminished faculties and faulted memories. >> take a look at what i've done since i became president. no one capacity the things that i got passed. how did that happen? you know? i guess i just forgot what was going on. >> the majority failed to impeach homeland security secretary a
. >> dumps it is in front by three judge panel in washington, really mr. trump is not immune from prosecution. >> within 24 hours of bailing that agreement, they abandoned bipartisan border reform and ukraine for one reason, because donald trump asked them. >> the jury found jennifer crumbley, the mother of the school shooter, guilty on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. >> i think that the question that you have to confront is why a single state should decide who...