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ms. merchant. ms. merchant: i don't know how to respond to that, i am asking -- judge mcafee: he may have seen a business card at some point. mr. bradley: i've never been to ms. willis's office in private practice and i have never dealt with where she rented. i did not even know where her office was. ms. merchant: do you remember knowing she rented an office? mr. bradley: yes, that is correct. ms. merchant: do you remember telling me mr. wade and ms. willis would rendezvous at that office? >> i'm going to object. again, hearsay as to how he knows that information. he says he has no personal knowledge. ms. merchant: he did not say he has no personal knowledge, he has not even answered it. >> he will not establish the source because he has never been to her office. judge mcafee: ms. merchant, i know you are trying to impeach him with an inconsistent statement, but if you cannot back up and show what each statement, the acknowledgment -- ms. merchant: i'm not even there yet. i can anticipate the response
ms. merchant. ms. merchant: i don't know how to respond to that, i am asking -- judge mcafee: he may have seen a business card at some point. mr. bradley: i've never been to ms. willis's office in private practice and i have never dealt with where she rented. i did not even know where her office was. ms. merchant: do you remember knowing she rented an office? mr. bradley: yes, that is correct. ms. merchant: do you remember telling me mr. wade and ms. willis would rendezvous at that office?...
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did you lie to ms merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and missing willis's relationship? >> not that i recall. i don't recall mentioned earlier that i'm speculated on some things i've testified to what i didn't know. so i can't recall whether or not no. >> mr. bradley's speculation is kind of weaselly lawyer word. let's speak truth here that under oath, argumentative at this point, your honor >> relevant questions. >> mr. bragg, final question, mr. rice? mr. bradley, when you are communicating different details of the relationship between ms willis and mr. wade to mrs. merchant, did you lie to her about any of those details? objection. asked and answered twice. >> i don't think he's answered yet. i don't recall ever whether any of it was a lie or not? well, it's done. so at the time you were communicating with us merchant, you are still friends with mr. wade, correct? >> yes. >> and at the time you were communicating with ms murcia, you knew that she was talking to you in her role in capacity as an attorney in this case, correct? >>
did you lie to ms merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and missing willis's relationship? >> not that i recall. i don't recall mentioned earlier that i'm speculated on some things i've testified to what i didn't know. so i can't recall whether or not no. >> mr. bradley's speculation is kind of weaselly lawyer word. let's speak truth here that under oath, argumentative at this point, your honor >> relevant questions. >> mr. bragg, final question, mr. rice? mr....
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ms. merchant. ms. merchant: i just wanted to know if the court wanted us to focus our arguments on. judge mcafee: actually, i think what i am more likely to do is along the lines of what i suggested before, give you a time block and you use the time however you think is more effective. once you think it's your strongest argument, a lot has been covered and there is a lot of the motions that were covered in the evidentiary hearing that i would plan to rely on at the same time as well. so i would leave that to you. i just said disqualification as a whole so if you have arguments about misconduct, anything like that, that would be the time for that argument as well. i talked about that and then things evolved. we didn't actually send out a notice, adding any other motions, but we do need to, we have some trials starting next week, the next two weeks, we've got some of our homicide trials already scheduled so i will be following up with you to schedule the rest of the pretrial motions we have. >> so the only argument is that we have on friday would be one -- 1:00 on the issue? judge mca
ms. merchant. ms. merchant: i just wanted to know if the court wanted us to focus our arguments on. judge mcafee: actually, i think what i am more likely to do is along the lines of what i suggested before, give you a time block and you use the time however you think is more effective. once you think it's your strongest argument, a lot has been covered and there is a lot of the motions that were covered in the evidentiary hearing that i would plan to rely on at the same time as well. so i would...
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merchant to take it. >> ms.i take the purpose -- i need you to sit down. >> stepped out, maam. >> the purposes for travel. >> is it because you suspect there are other travel records or do you think there might be something else on there? >> some of the travel records, we have no problems like i told the state. >> what i'm saying is we have heard about the trips a day in detail. is there anything else that's in these records that you will say proves an additional trip towards a just corroborating with the testimony from this morning? you don't know specifically? [inaudible] >> okay all right then let's would continue with that and if you want to send them, instruct delta to send it to the chambers we will take a look and essentially you can tell us ms. merchant what you think we should be looking for and what you think is relevant and we will do that. okay, all right and then when it comes to mr. schaefer's witness there's an issue raised about this being a summary versus an expert witness. i reviewed the motion
merchant to take it. >> ms.i take the purpose -- i need you to sit down. >> stepped out, maam. >> the purposes for travel. >> is it because you suspect there are other travel records or do you think there might be something else on there? >> some of the travel records, we have no problems like i told the state. >> what i'm saying is we have heard about the trips a day in detail. is there anything else that's in these records that you will say proves an...
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ms. merchant provided those to us and i appreciate it. and i can't tell if we have an accurate or inaccurate resuscitation if what she gave me is complete. >> we're continuing to hear this debate in the courtroom about what terrence bradley who is a former law partner of nathan wade but also the attorney in his divorce can and cannot say. we thought during the break that this had already been settled, clearly it is not. we want to bring back katie phang, roberts james, former district attorney for dekalb county, georgia, and kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor who was deputy chief of the criminal division for sdny. so let me ask you, robert. what's happening here? >> well, it sounds like they're trying to ask his law partner or former law partner questions. the problem is when you're asking questions of lawyers about conversations that lawyers may have had with one another, you know, there's various privileges that can be triggered if there was a relationship where, you know, representation was included. and so it sounds like they
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>> i think this has already been asked drug ms. merchant's direct. we're covering the same ground. >> i can't get an answer to whether he possesses information which is inconsistent -- not getting into the information itself. >> i think the issue would be we've already gotten an answer. now we're asking the same question again. ms. merchant asked him a variation of that and he already answered. >> i think the vare yeas your honor was references whether or not he had what would be personal information. mine is not so limited. mine is, i'm asking point-blank whether or not he has information, from whatever source, including mr. wade, that is inconsistent with mr. wade's testimony. >> if it includes mr. wade it's privileged communication. therefore the answer is, it's privileged. if it excluded mr. wade that would be a different, appropriate question. >> either it came from privileged information or it's hearsay. >> i think that might be too fine a distinction for me for the question. i'm failing to see the difference. >> i'm not asking -- respectfully
>> i think this has already been asked drug ms. merchant's direct. we're covering the same ground. >> i can't get an answer to whether he possesses information which is inconsistent -- not getting into the information itself. >> i think the issue would be we've already gotten an answer. now we're asking the same question again. ms. merchant asked him a variation of that and he already answered. >> i think the vare yeas your honor was references whether or not he had what...
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>> i think this has already been asked drug ms. merchant's direct. we're covering the same ground. >> i can't get an answer to whether he possesses information which is inconsistent -- not getting into the information itself. >> i think the issue would be we've already gotten an answer. now we're asking the same question again. ms. merchant asked him a variation of that and he already answered. >> i think the vare yeas your honor was references whether or not he had what would be personal information. mine is not so limited. mine is, i'm asking point-blank whether or not he has information, from whatever source, including mr. wade, that is inconsistent with mr. wade's testimony. >> if it includes mr. wade it's privileged communication. therefore the answer is, it's privileged. if it excluded mr. wade that would be a different, appropriate question. >> either it came from privileged information or it's hearsay. >> i think that might be too fine a distinction for me for the question. i'm failing to see the difference. >> i'm not asking -- respectfully
>> i think this has already been asked drug ms. merchant's direct. we're covering the same ground. >> i can't get an answer to whether he possesses information which is inconsistent -- not getting into the information itself. >> i think the issue would be we've already gotten an answer. now we're asking the same question again. ms. merchant asked him a variation of that and he already answered. >> i think the vare yeas your honor was references whether or not he had what...
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judge mcafee: ms. merchant? ms.erchant: i just wanted to know -- judge mcafee: actually, what i think we are going to do is what i suggested before, give you a time block and you use and how you think it will best be affected -- effective. there is a lot covered in the evidence but i will plan to rule on it at the same time as well. i believe that you. mr. gillen? we do? mr. gillen: i thought we did. judge mcafee: if you have arguments about forensic misconduct or anything like that, this will be the time for that as well. email, no, i've talked about that, and things evolved. we did not actually send out a notice adding any other motions, but we have some trials starting next week, the next two weeks. we have some homicide trials already scheduled, so i will be following up with you all to schedule the rest of the pretrial motions that we have. >> on friday, we have 1:00 on the issue of disqualification. judge mcafee: that's right, all things disqualification. anything from the state or any other defense, counsel?
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i think that's clarify for their own sitting cross, ms merchant? >> i do not recall any other time that he mentioned that they were in a relationship. know okay so other than so you talked about this one time and you said you don't know when it was that, correct? >> that is correct. >> was it before mr. wade before you've got the contract in fulton county, let's start with that. >> i did not recall and come up say again, how did it come up >> do not recall how it came up it was in the back. i know it was i know where it occurred in our offices in the back. i can't tell you what we were discussing prior to that >> did you receive an email from me on january 6 with emotion attached? >> i think i did, yes. yes, i know i know i received i don't know if the date is january 6, but yes, i received yes. >> so you remember receiving that? yes. the date? >> and you reviewed it and then you when i spoke about it you recall that >> do we speak over the phone? are you saying through a text that's what i'm asking you. >> i >> can remember whether it was texts, p
i think that's clarify for their own sitting cross, ms merchant? >> i do not recall any other time that he mentioned that they were in a relationship. know okay so other than so you talked about this one time and you said you don't know when it was that, correct? >> that is correct. >> was it before mr. wade before you've got the contract in fulton county, let's start with that. >> i did not recall and come up say again, how did it come up >> do not recall how it...
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. >> miss merchant? >> i know that we are still in the middle of miss willis -- ms. wilson list, we need to address some of the things yesterday. privileged statement. you want to do that now or do that before -- >> when you say address them, what do you mean? >> a couple different issues, we have the privilege issues. one of them. i also -- i draft all my questions and -- we didn't have to worry about the privileged stuff. there was some allegations made ahead of -- transcript made of the proceeding yesterday. some specific allegations i think you i should have an opportunity to refute. specifically i had egregiously misrepresented the things that i said were patently false. and all that information -- he said he didn't promise her any of that tph-fplgt doesn't know where he got it from. he says he did. >> if there is any clearing of the air that needs to happen, and if we need to get to that, i think the right time would be once we have seen all the evidence that comes out. >> thank you. i wanted to let the court know >> in terms of the privileged issue, if you are
. >> miss merchant? >> i know that we are still in the middle of miss willis -- ms. wilson list, we need to address some of the things yesterday. privileged statement. you want to do that now or do that before -- >> when you say address them, what do you mean? >> a couple different issues, we have the privilege issues. one of them. i also -- i draft all my questions and -- we didn't have to worry about the privileged stuff. there was some allegations made ahead of --...
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ms. merchant has called as the next witness. >> i would ask any document and for me -- ms.t. >> does anybody have the filings? >> when you say the funniest, you mean the pleadings. >> was the pleadings, yes, your honor. >> i think we can locate those for you. >> i want the one filed january 8. i want filed in early after we filed ours and the final one. >> if you want to take a break to get them i can make a copy. i think we have one. >> the only copy i have will have -- if we don't have a clean copy. >> a a five-minute break, your honor. >> all right. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> who's come to reelect someone? who is actually making the copy? you got it? okay. ms. cross. [inaudible conversations] >> [inaudible conversations] taking a break at the atlanta church court hearing on conduct allegations gaston county district attorney fani willis. she is leading the georgian election in a fierce case against former president trump and others. we expect hearing to resume shortly. you're watching live coverage here on c-span2. >> joining us this morning i
ms. merchant has called as the next witness. >> i would ask any document and for me -- ms.t. >> does anybody have the filings? >> when you say the funniest, you mean the pleadings. >> was the pleadings, yes, your honor. >> i think we can locate those for you. >> i want the one filed january 8. i want filed in early after we filed ours and the final one. >> if you want to take a break to get them i can make a copy. i think we have one. >> the only...
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all and on that overruled. >> ms merchant. thank you >> those records demonstrate that you paid for travel where soften this lula's, correct >> they should >> okay. >> and let's just talk about that travel. >> okay. >> the first trip is believes in march 2023 that a trip that you took with ms willis or you asked did you take a trip with ms willis in 2023 tamales? >> i did. >> did you take a trip to california where those willis in 2023? >> i did did you pay for those trips on that credit card >> i use the credit card to book the travel, but understand. >> she paid you back cash. >> well, let me say this. let's take the beliefs trip for example, you started there. that was a birthday gift to me. so i paid nothing for that, true? >> zero >> so the charges that are on your card, she gave you cash for >> she did. okay. >> so all of the charges the witnesses the question, oh, did i did. okay. >> i wanted to get into the charges on the car because so traveling with, her is a task. you can probably imagine the attention that that hap
all and on that overruled. >> ms merchant. thank you >> those records demonstrate that you paid for travel where soften this lula's, correct >> they should >> okay. >> and let's just talk about that travel. >> okay. >> the first trip is believes in march 2023 that a trip that you took with ms willis or you asked did you take a trip with ms willis in 2023 tamales? >> i did. >> did you take a trip to california where those willis in 2023?...
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. >> sustain that, ms merchant, let's find some new ground here. >> okay. thank you. >> are you willing to waive your privilege with mr. bradley so that he can testify. >> i'm not willing to waive attorney-client privilege. >> thank you. >> when we on question to help questions, we're asking >> can i can ask me from here i don't want to get into the type of cancer i want to get into the medical condition itself. then i understand you have to say that you had cancer in the year 2020. >> yes, sir. >> play that because of that in 2020, you were kept yourself in a sterile environment >> i tried, yes, sir >> now, what about 20:21? 2021. just focusing on my health, trying to get back to myself. >> remember, i asked you to questions about take bill >> this a condo you indicated that prior to november 1 of 2021, you've spent time at the condo hey, bill condo with ms boyle. that's right. >> yes, sir. and with someone >> else, you said ms year, t maturity? yes, sir. okay >> you are not concerned that was not a sterile environment, was it? >> are you inferring that ma
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merchant. >> there was standards are >> more than appropriate >> ms merchant, if you want more concise answers, perhaps you could lead the witness. i will. thank you, judge. >> isn't it true that you >> met mr. wade october 2019, judges common my cousin gotten but what we're ms militia, be treated. awesome. >> i think we have very much want to >> here, so i'm not a hostile witness. i very much want to be not so much that your hostel, this will be adverse witness. your interests are opposed. ms merchants. >> merchants entrance contribution contrary to democracy, your honor, not to mind all right >> that we can keep things moving. ms murphy, next question, please. >> okay. so we've confirmed when you met after that, isn't it true? >> i need to explain this and i think i get to explain my answers when i met him. judge reef introduced us he handed me his business card. i'm unsure if i handed him business card, but we changed information. he said if you ever need any help, give me a call and he walked to the parking lot so after after that, you started dating shortly thereafter, correct? >>
merchant. >> there was standards are >> more than appropriate >> ms merchant, if you want more concise answers, perhaps you could lead the witness. i will. thank you, judge. >> isn't it true that you >> met mr. wade october 2019, judges common my cousin gotten but what we're ms militia, be treated. awesome. >> i think we have very much want to >> here, so i'm not a hostile witness. i very much want to be not so much that your hostel, this will be...
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merchant to take it. >> ms.take the purpose -- i need you to sit down. >> stepped out, maam. >> the purposes for travel. >> is it because you suspect there are other travel records or do you think there might be something else on there? >> some of the travel records, we have no problems like i told the state. >> what i'm saying is we have heard about the trips a day in detail. is there anything else that's in these records that you will say proves an additional trip towards a just corroborating with the testimony from this morning? you don't know specifically? [inaudible] >> okay all right then let's would continue with that and if you want to send them, instruct delta to send it to the chambers we will take a look and essentially you can tell us ms. merchant what you think we should be looking for and what you think is relevant and we will do that. okay, all right and then when it comes to mr. schaefer's witness there's an issue raised about this being a summary versus an expert witness. i reviewed the motions
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your interests are opposed to ms. merchant's. >> ms. merchant's interests are contrary to democracy, your honor, not to mine. >> i appreciate it. >> if we can keep things moving. next question please. so we've confirmed when you met, after that -- >> i get to explain my answers. when i met him, judge reeves introduced us, he handed me his business card. i'm unsure if i handed him my business card, we exchanged information. he said if you ever need any help, give me a call, and he walked to the parking lot. >> so after that, you started dating shortly thereafter. >> that's a lie. that's one of your lies. . >> do you know robin yeartie. >> i know her as robin bryant. robin did not go to my college. she went to the college of -- i went to howard university. she went to morgan state. i met her through some people i knew. in college we hung out a bit, not much because she was in baltimore, and i was in washington, d.c., but we hung out a bit. after college, i lost contact with her. i probably didn't see robin again until maybe seven or eight
your interests are opposed to ms. merchant's. >> ms. merchant's interests are contrary to democracy, your honor, not to mine. >> i appreciate it. >> if we can keep things moving. next question please. so we've confirmed when you met, after that -- >> i get to explain my answers. when i met him, judge reeves introduced us, he handed me his business card. i'm unsure if i handed him my business card, we exchanged information. he said if you ever need any help, give me a...
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do you accept the stipulation, ms. merchant?>> yes, am i permitted then to ask questions about that since it's now not hearsay? >> if it's just to a stipulation, if it's just of that basic fact, i don't think there's a needed question but if there's a follow-up you think is admissible go for it? >> ms. yeartie, you have personal knowledge that ms. willis and mr. wade began their romantic relationship soon after this time that they met at the municipal court? >> i'm going to object to that question. that certainly is a leading question, no foundation has been laid for how this witness would have personal knowledge of that, and until that's happened, the state objects. >> judge -- >> i think you can do a yes or no and then follow up with how she knows it? >> thank you. >> do you know if ms. willis and mr. wade started dating in october of 2019? >> i don't know if it was october of 2019. >> could it possibly be november of 2019? >> could possibly. >> okay. and when we spoke, you said it was shortly after the municipal court confere
do you accept the stipulation, ms. merchant?>> yes, am i permitted then to ask questions about that since it's now not hearsay? >> if it's just to a stipulation, if it's just of that basic fact, i don't think there's a needed question but if there's a follow-up you think is admissible go for it? >> ms. yeartie, you have personal knowledge that ms. willis and mr. wade began their romantic relationship soon after this time that they met at the municipal court? >> i'm going...
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ms. merchant, i think we need to figure out what are we getting at with it? >> i'm just trying to figure out if he thought it was subject to attorney-client privilege. that's all i was asking. >> i mean, the actions themselves wouldn't be an issue. it's more a communication. >> someone saw them, someone had knowledge of it. is that a attorney-client privilege? >> i guess i would find a legal opinion on this isn't relevant. we can deal with that as it comes up. sustained. >> in 2022, in this affidavit, you swore that you and willis developed a personal relationship. >> yes, ma'am. >> ok. and you said that that didn't develop until 2022. correct? >> that's correct. >> and that's different from what you said in your pleading in may, 2023. in the divorce case, correct? >> no, ma'am. >> in may, 2023, when you were asked if you had a -- if you'd had any affairs, essentially. you said none. >> that's correct. >> so in may you said you had not -- may, 2023, in the divorce case, you said you had not had a personal relationship, an affair or romantic relationship with
ms. merchant, i think we need to figure out what are we getting at with it? >> i'm just trying to figure out if he thought it was subject to attorney-client privilege. that's all i was asking. >> i mean, the actions themselves wouldn't be an issue. it's more a communication. >> someone saw them, someone had knowledge of it. is that a attorney-client privilege? >> i guess i would find a legal opinion on this isn't relevant. we can deal with that as it comes up. sustained....
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but do you know he was asked by one of the attorneys did you lie to ms merchant when you said these things about the relationship, whether there were things like did nathan wade have a garage door opener to fani willis's private home or office, whether they had sex in this facility or not, whether they were momentously involved. and he said, i don't recall. that's what respect to y he was lying. he then said i was speculating. the lawyer said, we're both lawyers. that's a weasley word. >> he was >> a little bit argumentative there, but said it did july against i was speculating. i can't recall the reason this is so important here is again, why we're here. this is a motion to disqualify a prosecutor and the office in a very consequential case, but originally had 18 co-defendants, one of whom is a former president of united states. if she is just qualified based on some finding that she financially or personally benefited, then another committee, a prosecuting counsel in georgia, then steps in and decides who will replace her and her team. there's no timeline when you got to do that. there's
but do you know he was asked by one of the attorneys did you lie to ms merchant when you said these things about the relationship, whether there were things like did nathan wade have a garage door opener to fani willis's private home or office, whether they had sex in this facility or not, whether they were momentously involved. and he said, i don't recall. that's what respect to y he was lying. he then said i was speculating. the lawyer said, we're both lawyers. that's a weasley word. >>...
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ms. merchant you need to qualify that question. >> thank you. i am not asking you to tell me what nathan wade told you in legal advice i want to be very clear if he had told you something ask you legal advice about asking about that i'm asking about what you observed. what you saw and what you knew outside of what he told joan he was specifically seeking legal advice, okay? >> i apologize. [inaudible] attorney-client proved associate with this case. [inaudible] the information after this relationship began. with the attorney-client privilege. you are in fact violating the rules. >> the way the question was phrased was just saying what to be personally observed outside the relationship not involved in communication how does that fall within attorney-client privilege? >> whether we like it or not we have a client were associated with that relationship but comes into focus with the investigation for the question we cannot talk about mr. wade it would be inappropriate. any of these issues it's on their relationship is attorney-client privilege. requ
ms. merchant you need to qualify that question. >> thank you. i am not asking you to tell me what nathan wade told you in legal advice i want to be very clear if he had told you something ask you legal advice about asking about that i'm asking about what you observed. what you saw and what you knew outside of what he told joan he was specifically seeking legal advice, okay? >> i apologize. [inaudible] attorney-client proved associate with this case. [inaudible] the information after...
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as ms merchant is doing that, let me go down the list. mr. sadow >> mr. guild has been asked i like follow up >> let me just come let me just to keep it consistent, i'll go in order so that mr. sadow is deferring then i'll go to mr. stocks mr. durham on zoom >> your honor. all right. mr. mcdougald refer to mr. gil all right. mr. rice? all right. thank you. mr. galen. >> thank you, your honor >> good afternoon. this white good afternoon, sir. i'll do i'll follow up questions i like to start off with the exhibit number four that you should have up there. those are the interrogatories >> no, sir >> there they're not up there. remember i asked her to compile them all. now, grabbing if you wanted me >> yes, sir. okay. >> now, these are the interrogatories, the eu had filed on may the 30th, 2023, in your voice case, correct >> yes, sir. now, >> he went over in part some of those interrogatories but what i want you to do because i want to get down to the specific language to clear up exactly definitely what the interrogatories asked for. an exactly what you answ
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ms. merchant? >> i was outside looking for them. >> he has asked whether the defendants will accept his testimony by zoom. >> as long as i can show him documents if he needs his memory refreshed, that's fine. >> the state would have objection to this witness not appearing. >> understood. >> mr. ward, i think we'll need continual updates from you. and also some kind of expectation of what this afternoon will look like. i was never informed of a medical appointment. i think the notice in this hearing indicated it would last at least two days. right now i think he's in violation of subpoena. >> i believe counsel noticed this the dr.'s appointment was yesterday. [indiscernible] >> this appointment started at 9. [indiscernible] >> i'm trying to get -- we initially been told it was 9:30, 10. do we have any better idea to get a realistic expectation when we can have him here? >> your honor -- [indiscernible] >> is he -- without getting too much in the particulars, is he being seen and waiting for results,
ms. merchant? >> i was outside looking for them. >> he has asked whether the defendants will accept his testimony by zoom. >> as long as i can show him documents if he needs his memory refreshed, that's fine. >> the state would have objection to this witness not appearing. >> understood. >> mr. ward, i think we'll need continual updates from you. and also some kind of expectation of what this afternoon will look like. i was never informed of a medical...
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ms. merchant? >> i was outside looking for them. >> he has asked whether the defendants will accept his testimony by zoom. >> as long as i can show him documents if he needs his memory refreshed, that's fine. >> the state would have objection to this witness not appearing. >> understood. >> mr. ward, i think we'll need continual updates from you. and also some kind of expectation of what this afternoon will look like. i was never informed of a medical appointment. i think the notice in this hearing indicated it would last at least two days. right now i think he's in violation of subpoena. >> i believe counsel noticed this the dr.'s appointment was yesterday. [indiscernible] >> this appointment started at 9. [indiscernible] >> i'm trying to get -- we initially been told it was 9:30, 10. do we have any better idea to get a realistic expectation when we can have him here? >> your honor -- [indiscernible] >> is he -- without getting too much in the particulars, is he being seen and waiting for results,
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. >> i think merchant ms merchant so that it inside the book, she also makes statement as to her own finances. and that's at issue. >> so you gave interviews to the authors of the spot, correct? once or twice. okay >> and just to be comprehensive, i don't know if it was three times, two or three times. i think you were quoted in the book and i will give you a chance to say if this is a misquote, you're quoted, i when they asked you about if you wanted to run for office for >> da, you were quoted, i really don't want to be financially effed up again, do you remember saying that? >> so what that >> refers to so my question versus if you remember saying that i remember saying something similar to that, but i would like to be able to explain what that's not in reference to anything else. it was a huge sacrifice to be district attorney of fulton county huge. i was doing just fine had a municipal court judgeship that was paying me 100 something down dollars a year. and like you've got to show up twice a week. easiest thing. i've ever done in life. >> i >> also had private clients that we'r
. >> i think merchant ms merchant so that it inside the book, she also makes statement as to her own finances. and that's at issue. >> so you gave interviews to the authors of the spot, correct? once or twice. okay >> and just to be comprehensive, i don't know if it was three times, two or three times. i think you were quoted in the book and i will give you a chance to say if this is a misquote, you're quoted, i when they asked you about if you wanted to run for office for...
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ms. urti is in the waiting room. if he wants to read my texts i have my phone here and i'll talk about other things and maybe if they will have a lot of objections to privilege and hearsay i can lay a foundation with mr. bradley, get him off the start. put up ms. yurti and then mr. wade. when did you and mr. wade first meet? >> probably 1998. >> okay. and did you all have a law firm together? >> we did. >> when did that firm start? >> probably i think it was 2010 we started exclusively working together as a firm, operating as a firm. >> okay. were you incorp rafted as a firm. ? >> not initially, no. he had -- when i passed the bar and hung a shingle in 2007 i think he had been practicing a few years prior to that. he had his own firm. we had two separate firms. >> at some point did you incorporate together? >> we did. >> do you remember about when that was? >> i do not at this particular moment, ma'am, i'm sorry. >> do you remember if it was administratively dissolved? >> i've been made a
ms. urti is in the waiting room. if he wants to read my texts i have my phone here and i'll talk about other things and maybe if they will have a lot of objections to privilege and hearsay i can lay a foundation with mr. bradley, get him off the start. put up ms. yurti and then mr. wade. when did you and mr. wade first meet? >> probably 1998. >> okay. and did you all have a law firm together? >> we did. >> when did that firm start? >> probably i think it was 2010...
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dylan and ms. merchant, did anyone in the district attorney's office know that the two of you were traveling on personal trips together? >> to my knowledge, no. >> that was for privacy according to your testimony? >> privacy, yes, sir. >> okay. did you and ms. willis go to the hateville condo prior to your relationship relationship starting in 2022? >> prior to having physical contact, having intercourse did we go to the hateville -- >> prior to having intercourse? >> you keep saying intercourse. >> did you go prior to november 1st of 2021, yes, and the purpose for going to the hateville condo with ms. willis prior to 2021 would have been what or prior to november 1 of 2021? >> could have been any number of things because at that time -- >> that's what i'm asking. >> yeah, could have been any number of things because at that time she had a friend living in that condo. ms. yeardy lived in that condo. >> okay. >> maybe my question was poorry worded. let me try again. your answer prior to november 1st
dylan and ms. merchant, did anyone in the district attorney's office know that the two of you were traveling on personal trips together? >> to my knowledge, no. >> that was for privacy according to your testimony? >> privacy, yes, sir. >> okay. did you and ms. willis go to the hateville condo prior to your relationship relationship starting in 2022? >> prior to having physical contact, having intercourse did we go to the hateville -- >> prior to having...
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your interests are to ms. merchant's. >> ms.are contrary to democracy not mine. >> laura: contrary to democracy? i want to repeat she is an actual prosecutor with prosecutorial power, okay. set aside, you know, a lot of the other stuff we have talked about. but it's a typical kind of democrat talking point. everything has to revolve around-she, fani willis is protecting democracy. joining me now chris bedford, senior fellow at the common sense society. ned ryun american majority founder and ceo. we have a lot to get. to say keep your answers pithy about this. i want to play something, ned, for you. when fanny was asked about questions about, you know, the cash and, you know, what she knew from her upbringing about carrying cash, keeping cash, it ultimately went to her father. watch. >> >> when you meet my father, is he going to tell you as a woman you should always have, which i don't have so let's don't tell him that, you should have at least six months in cash at your house at all times. now, i don't know why this old black ma
your interests are to ms. merchant's. >> ms.are contrary to democracy not mine. >> laura: contrary to democracy? i want to repeat she is an actual prosecutor with prosecutorial power, okay. set aside, you know, a lot of the other stuff we have talked about. but it's a typical kind of democrat talking point. everything has to revolve around-she, fani willis is protecting democracy. joining me now chris bedford, senior fellow at the common sense society. ned ryun american majority...
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i understand ms merchant however, i don't think at this point there's any statutory requirement. we have the standing order for expert witnesses and if say doesn't want to extend that courtesy, then i think you're stuck with it. >> all right. >> i'm certainly happy to represent that mr. floyd will be a witness. that that other witnesses will be impeaching of this year >> okay. >> all right. let's take up these last couple issues here before we break them the issue of the delta airlines records ms the motion to quash has filed by the state on behalf of willis. i believe i did file a motion, your honor. excuse me. >> my representation was i just got noticed it was yesterday. >> okay. >> so i've had to review of them >> i object to >> general fishing expeditions >> i've interviewed can you record today that was from delta? my knowledge that there's going to be no further new production in the delta i don't want to burden the court with anything if the court wants to take a look at it and see if there's anything different than that. i don't have injection. i just i don't like the eye
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nick valencia has more >> did you lie to ms merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms willis has relationship cnn has obtained over 400 text messages that show this man terrence bradley, was more deep lee involved than previously known in advising the effort to disqualify fulton county district attorney, fani willis. >> so as as an attorney yourself you are testifying here under oath that you had no idea what ms merchant was going to do with all the details that you are giving her about wade and willis's relationship? >> so at the time, no, i did not. earlier this week on the witness, stan bradley, nathan wade's divorce attorney repeatedly said he could not recall details about willis and nathan wade's relationship, but in text messages obtained by cnn just days before the allegations of a conflict of interest were initially filed in court. bradley told ashleigh merchant, the defense attorney for trump's co-defendant, that wade and willis were absolutely interrelationship before she hired him. is this accurate merchant rights upon information and belief, wi
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. >> not so much you are hostile you are adverse member ms. merchant's. >> ms.chant's are contrary to democracy, your honor, not to mine. >> brian: takes a lot, doesn't he, lawrence? he is a nice guy, but you can't take that take control. >> lawrence: he seems like a calm guy in general. i have been watching his demeanor through the entire hearing. but, brian, when you have a witness that's not answering direct questions, that go on these diatribes, who the moment she got in the courtroom she was giving orders. can i get three of these documents? i'm like who the hell is the judge here? are you the judge or the judge is the judge? >> ainsley: she is the d.a. i don't know what their relationship is like. >> brian: i feel bad because she wanted water and nathan wade drank it all. unfortunately they used the water limited by noon. >> lawrence: he was sweating a lot. >> brian: i was sweating watching him. i had a gallon of water. >> ainsley: it was a legal gas disaster. many are questioning her credibility now. robert hur releases this report talking about joe biden
. >> not so much you are hostile you are adverse member ms. merchant's. >> ms.chant's are contrary to democracy, your honor, not to mine. >> brian: takes a lot, doesn't he, lawrence? he is a nice guy, but you can't take that take control. >> lawrence: he seems like a calm guy in general. i have been watching his demeanor through the entire hearing. but, brian, when you have a witness that's not answering direct questions, that go on these diatribes, who the moment she...
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ms merchant next witness? we are not to the front, but we are. >> okay. >> then do you need counseling at a moment to take lipitor question? >> so i've got mr. evans >> and then do we have mr. bradley somewhere in the whereabouts nearby? >> this is >> that he cylinders well, him and his client? >> yes >> also with mr. bradley. he's actually not >> we need you to notify yourself for the record, sir. i maybe i'm worth at this moment he has currently. the patient it's going to wait here. we'll look you, have a, copy of compression >> you a time estimate of one supposed to be here? the question, where's the dr. in relation to hear? yes >> very at the very earliest deeply about all right, he's he's currently driving here as we speak. >> is an actual dr. okay >> and i think council all. right >> i wasn't tender ten-party >> sure. it was merchant other than mr. bradley, did you have any other witnesses >> i can tell you do you. think we can take up sure >> i think we can use this time to do that. so when you all to t
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and i will ask ms. merchant, once the testimony of ms. willis has concluded, how many other witnesses? [indistinct] >> we can handle that now. ms. wilson, you can step down. >> do you want me to leave the courtroom? >> you can sit at the council table. two witnesses, and other defense counsel. i know there was a potential witness that was objected to by the state. there is another one there. we can talk about that. any other witnesses anticipated? seeing no show of hands, and any witnesses? >> dana: and fani willis has left the courtroom. this has been a marathon day. we all have opinions. we will start with the judge. this started earlier today. i did not think it would be -- i don't know -- i am totally into this story, but i did not know that it would be like this on the witness stand. it started out slow but picked up a lot of steam. >> jeanine: everyone i've talked to has been glued to this. this is a combination of a real courtroom but also a soap opera with characters and explosions that you don't usually see in courtrooms. let me
and i will ask ms. merchant, once the testimony of ms. willis has concluded, how many other witnesses? [indistinct] >> we can handle that now. ms. wilson, you can step down. >> do you want me to leave the courtroom? >> you can sit at the council table. two witnesses, and other defense counsel. i know there was a potential witness that was objected to by the state. there is another one there. we can talk about that. any other witnesses anticipated? seeing no show of hands, and...
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. >> your interest are opposed to ms. merchants. >> contrary to democracy. >> next question, please. >> after that, is it true. >> i need to explain this and i think i can explain my answers. judge reed introduced us. he handed me his business card. we exchangeded information. if you ever need any help, give me a call. he walked to the parking lot. >> so, after that, you started dating shortly thereafter. >> lies. that is one of your lies. >> i knew her so robin did not go to my college. she went to the college of howard university. i met her through some people. in college we hung out. not much because she was involved more when i was in washington, d.c. after college i probably did not see robin again until maybe seven or eight years ago. a chance meeting here in atlanta we did not have a consistent relationship. eight-10 years ago just by happenstance i ran into her.om >> you have been friends with robin for 30 some years. >> you been friends with her for 40 something years. >> we have certainly hung out and partied to
. >> your interest are opposed to ms. merchants. >> contrary to democracy. >> next question, please. >> after that, is it true. >> i need to explain this and i think i can explain my answers. judge reed introduced us. he handed me his business card. we exchangeded information. if you ever need any help, give me a call. he walked to the parking lot. >> so, after that, you started dating shortly thereafter. >> lies. that is one of your lies. >> i...
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. >> did you lie to ms. merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms.t i speculated on some things. >> so the relationship between wade and fani willis a key factor in whether or not she can continue as the lead prosecutor against donald trump. that's the latest episode of days of our lives thanks to our friends in georgia. >> i've never seen as attorney, i've never seen a witness that uncomfortable. there was one question where he said he was speculating. he was talking to the defense attorney about his former friend and he said i was just speculating. and then they asked what was the reason for speculating. he sat there for the longest time. he said i don't know. i don't know. it was like either you were very incompetent or just not very bright. maria: that and they were sig there. that had to be intimidating. >> the bigger question is what happens. is fani willis done? i don't understand how she can continue. maria: president biden and former president trump are both planning trips to the southern border tomorrow. biden will travel to brownsville, te
. >> did you lie to ms. merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms.t i speculated on some things. >> so the relationship between wade and fani willis a key factor in whether or not she can continue as the lead prosecutor against donald trump. that's the latest episode of days of our lives thanks to our friends in georgia. >> i've never seen as attorney, i've never seen a witness that uncomfortable. there was one question where he said he was speculating. he was...
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merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms. willis' relationship?i mentioned earlier that i speculated on some things. mr. bradley speculation is a weaselly word. you are under oath. >> eventually the judge will have to decide whether one or both of the prosecutors will have to be removed from the case and on friday, the judge will have to decide whether or not to admit nathan wade's cell phone records as evidence. those cell phones show thousands of calls and messages between willis and wade in the period before they said they were an item. bret, back to you. >> bret: we will follow it all. steve harrigan live in atlanta. steve, thanks. we are learning additional details tonight about the death of a georgia nursing student last week allegedly at the hands of an illegal immigrant and what we are hearing is very disturbing. correspondent danamarie mcnicole is in athens georgia again tonight with the latest. good evening. >> good evening, bret. new documents reveal gruesome details about what happened to laken riley when she was running on that densel
merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms. willis' relationship?i mentioned earlier that i speculated on some things. mr. bradley speculation is a weaselly word. you are under oath. >> eventually the judge will have to decide whether one or both of the prosecutors will have to be removed from the case and on friday, the judge will have to decide whether or not to admit nathan wade's cell phone records as evidence. those cell phones show thousands of calls and messages between...
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. >> it's not so much you are hostile, ms. willis, you are adverse witness. >> ms.wall street journal" phrased it, framed it this morning, faces the judge, lawfare as politics is risky business as democrats are discovering fani willis georgia county prosecutor brought charges against donald trump faces charges own judicial reckoning over conflict of interest if the case now collapses in an ethical ash heap it will play into mr. trump's campaign claims that he is the victim of partisan prosecutorial abuse. with that bring in our panel harold ford jr. former tennessee congressman, co-host of "the five." olivia beavers, congressional reporter for politico, and byron york, chief political correspondent for "the washington examiner." byron, i will tell you what, it was a long day of watching courtroom drama in a while let alone a d.a. what about it. >> it was a lot of sorted talk in this whole thing about when when fani willis and nathan wade actually began an affair. did they have sex before this date or after this date. all of this she talked about dealing a lot. a lot
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. >> did you lie to ms. merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms.illis' relationship? >> not that i recall. i don't recall i have testified to what i did know so i can't recall. >> ainsley: he didn't give much information. close argue. s are scheduled for friday. >> brian: he didn't know if he was lying in his text messages before either. >> ainsley: did i lie before? i don't know. >> brian: i might have lied in my text messages. >> steve: and is he a lawyer. >> brian: yeah. >> steve: just saying. >> brian: kicked out of his firm, i think, too. >> ainsley: at 10 :00 a.m. today hunter biden will testify under oath behind closed doors before the oversight and judiciary committees. >> brian: david spunt is live on capitol hill with a preview. david? >> david: good morning to you three. we expect this to be a long day not only for hunter biden but lawmakers, democratic and republican. this is a culmination of more than a year's worth of work for republicans who have been investigating not only hunter biden but the president. today is really a second cha
. >> did you lie to ms. merchant when you told her facts about mr. wade and ms.illis' relationship? >> not that i recall. i don't recall i have testified to what i did know so i can't recall. >> ainsley: he didn't give much information. close argue. s are scheduled for friday. >> brian: he didn't know if he was lying in his text messages before either. >> ainsley: did i lie before? i don't know. >> brian: i might have lied in my text messages. >> steve:...
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ms merchant, is there anything else? what other areas were you planning to cover on his direct other than these documents? >> i'm planning on introducing all of the contracts and invoices, but i haven't had a chance to look at what fulton county certified some planning on introducing those in then not much. >> can we do the not much? we do not much. and then we'll get back to the contract. >> yeah, definitely. >> okay. so this taint tank contract and we're not admitting these right now. but if i represent to you that they say anti-corruption unit can you tell us what a taint attorney for an anti-corruption unit would do >> i didn't have a part in those contracts. >> they were your partners at the time that correct >> fluid. okay. >> so you didn't have a part in those contracts, but you got a third of the contract payment? >> oh, absolutely. >> okay. >> so the tank contracts that bradley and campbell, who are your law partners at the time had for doing taint review, you got a third of those yes, ma'am. okay >> you signed
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ms merchants? >> thank you. choose entrance contradict contrary to democracy, your honor, not tomorrow. >> i want to bring in laura coates, cnn anchor and chief legal analyst, who is outside as all of that was happening today. and laura, i mean, it was just so remarkable and i just wonder, given your legal background, what you made of everything, what a day. >> i mean, can you imagine having jack smith special counsel prosecuting a former president united states, and other co-defendants on the stand testifying about his sexual relationships for or his romances or anything else. i mean, it was an extraordinary moment considering that they were trying to figure out if she ought to be disqualified from this prosecution. now, if they disqualify her, it's not just hurricane when it turned entire team, which means it would go to outside agency to then choose or appoint new prosecutor heaters who are not beholden to her or the indictments of before they could even dismiss the case. but she came out of the game just com
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>> yes >> and if the time you were communicating with ms merchant, you knew that she was talking to you and her role in capacity as an attorney in this case, correct? >> correct >> so tell me what you think these text messages do and how they impact the testimony bradley gave yesterday >> so. two things jake, first of all, i think these text messages establish that mr. bradley's testimony was simply not credible, simply not believable by any rational standard. and the other thing i think it shows is that mr. bradley has had a stark turnaround in his position for reasons we don't know very recently now, these texts as nic just laid out, their recent they're from january there from last month and in the texts, mr. bradley is telling the lawyers for the defendant, the people who are challenging the da absolutely. this relationship started before mr. wade was hired and he's giving them specific details. here's when it started. here's this specific legal conference where they met, where they started, and then yesterday, mr. bradley gets on the stand and all we hear is i don't recall. not at
>> yes >> and if the time you were communicating with ms merchant, you knew that she was talking to you and her role in capacity as an attorney in this case, correct? >> correct >> so tell me what you think these text messages do and how they impact the testimony bradley gave yesterday >> so. two things jake, first of all, i think these text messages establish that mr. bradley's testimony was simply not credible, simply not believable by any rational standard. and...
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merchant as the evidence in her back pocket already. and did at the time that she filed the motion because she clearly laid out what she expected the witnesses to say, how they would might impeach the testimony and it may at the end of the day, the response filed by the district attorney, including the declaration by mr. wade, if those contain any inaccuracies or fact acts are allegations excuses that can be impeached by the witnesses if that's the case, that filing alone, maybe the biggest problem that she faces, what the court all right. >> two different things there. one, you mentioned the appearance of impropriety, which is a different standard. there >> what does that going to meet >> appearance. it doesn't mean you have to prove that something on toward happened just that people might perceive it to be so >> that's, that's right. >> i mean, a prosecutor's job is to protect the case, to protect the integrity of the prosecution, and hopefully the integrity of the conviction if one is obtained. if you think about what happened in the
merchant as the evidence in her back pocket already. and did at the time that she filed the motion because she clearly laid out what she expected the witnesses to say, how they would might impeach the testimony and it may at the end of the day, the response filed by the district attorney, including the declaration by mr. wade, if those contain any inaccuracies or fact acts are allegations excuses that can be impeached by the witnesses if that's the case, that filing alone, maybe the biggest...