murray fowler. dr. fowler welcome. >> congratulations thank you so much. >> federica. thanks for having me. >> this is fantastic. so wait a minute a bachelor's wasn't enough to masters, not enough. and then you decided why not? i'm gonna go ahead and pursue this doctorate what inspired you to do is you know, my father wasn't inspiration to me growing up because because they could not read and write and his always said to all of us a mine is a terrible thing to waste and because he could not and my mom could not. >> that was no reason that i could not succeed. >> one, even though after this was after i had done 35 years with the federal but government retired and then i had this calling to pursue a deeper growth. >> with that, with god so i enrolled in maple springs baptist bible college and pursued my degree. i got my undergrad my bachelor's. then went ahead, got the masters and then masters of divinity. so why not do doctorate that why not? >> well, i love you heard your calling and so when you mad