and so when bob was working with the national cable television association, he had to take a senior citizenp to the hill to try to get government approval and some money to start a senior citizen channel. they turned him down, and he threw the proposal in the trash. i pulled it out, we brought it home, and he said you need to look at this. i am crossing out senior. i write in black and make some tweaks. i said but how are we going to get money for this? we realized, there is john malone in denver, who owned all of the cable stations across the country. took it to him. he said this is the best idea since sliced bread. he immediately wrote a check for $500,000 to get us started. but you know, in the television business, it goes like that. david: it goes like that in every business, but ok. [laughter] sheila: i know. but anyway, he really was our guardian angel all the way up to the sale of viacom, and we had to pay him back. we paid back every penny he invested into bet. david: bet, you and your then husband ran it for roughly 20 years, was it? sheila: mm hmm. david: and then you decided to s