for any folks here who are not, the ncaa is the national collegiate athletic association, the governing body, sports in college. i think people always throw around like nfl and villanova. i don't know mean some kids who don't want to see what it means. yeah what is ideal. so you said what's the ideal for trans athletes? i would i would like to expand that to what's ideal for humanity and really athletes. because what happens is, first of all, sports are a microcosm of society. all the systems of oppression that we see in society amplified in sport. and we need to that because people always say, oh, sports will level the playing field. no, they don't. and sports do not have a level playing this concept of a in sports is elusive at best. and i'll give you a quick example. i'm a swimmer. you already know that in swimming, people say, okay, it's a fair sport because all you're doing is trying to get to their side at the same time, there's not that many while there are lots of rules, but it's fairly simple, right? and i think the goal is to get to the other side first in swimming, right. the