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necheles, you told mr. weisselberg it was no abuse and what happened with president trump and that you were not a victim. daniels, yes. and this is what you were saying in 2018, right? daniels, yes. necheles, and you said the worst that trump had done was break promises you never believed he would fulfill. necheles continues, trump offered to buy you a condo in tampa and feature you as a contestant for "celebrity apprentice." you said the worst thing he did was not put you on "celebrity apprentice," right? i said the worst thing he did was lie. and then necheles continues, you didn't say anything about feeling faint. so, you know, what strikes me about this is this idea that she had -- maybe had some kind of intimidation by donald trump, kind of was presented during the direct testimony the other day and i had spoken -- we spoke with some other legal analysts who said that could be kind of a hairy area for the prosecution, because donald trump is not accused of sexual assault in this trial. those charges ar
necheles, you told mr. weisselberg it was no abuse and what happened with president trump and that you were not a victim. daniels, yes. and this is what you were saying in 2018, right? daniels, yes. necheles, and you said the worst that trump had done was break promises you never believed he would fulfill. necheles continues, trump offered to buy you a condo in tampa and feature you as a contestant for "celebrity apprentice." you said the worst thing he did was not put you on...
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necheles. that is what you sold it for. >> the story starts when i am 2 years old. necheles. am i correct that the center piece of your book is about your story of supposedly having sex with president trump? >> daniels, sadly, i thought that's what a lot of people would turn to first. but it started with me at 2 years old. necheles, you believe people would buy the book just for that story? daniels, i don't know. necheles, after you wrote the book, you went on tour. make america horny again. daniels, i did not name that tour, and i fought it tooth and nail. temidayo, your take? >> thinking about how i think about cross examination, the danger here is that someone on the stand can flip from villain to hero if you're too aggressive on cross examination, and that's a danger here is that, you know, she had some challenges, stormy daniels, when she was on direct examination, but i think if trump's lawyers go after her too aggressively trying to beat her up. trying to shame her. trying to attack her in this kind of tone they're doing now, the jury may start to find her sympathetic,
necheles. that is what you sold it for. >> the story starts when i am 2 years old. necheles. am i correct that the center piece of your book is about your story of supposedly having sex with president trump? >> daniels, sadly, i thought that's what a lot of people would turn to first. but it started with me at 2 years old. necheles, you believe people would buy the book just for that story? daniels, i don't know. necheles, after you wrote the book, you went on tour. make america...
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she would force susan necheles to find the quote multiple times, susan necheles couldn't find because stormy daniels actually didn't say that. she may have said something similar to that, but not even close. this went back and forth, the badgering. i understand that they need to have a narrative and they're trying to make her out as an opportunist who profited from this and donald trump is a victim, but i was just surprised at the lengths they went today to shame her on the stand. it was kind of not even just the sex stuff, it was the nuts and sluts. they were basically calling her crazy at one point for other things that happened in her life. >> and just the one you were talking about, i'm going to put that back up. isn't it a fact you keep posting on social media how you're going to be instrumental in putting president trump on jail? she said show me where i said that? all right, if we could show the witness j-43 please just for the witness and parties. do you recognize that as your post? stormy daniels -- yes. >> necheles -- and. >> and i don't see the words. indeed, she said someb
she would force susan necheles to find the quote multiple times, susan necheles couldn't find because stormy daniels actually didn't say that. she may have said something similar to that, but not even close. this went back and forth, the badgering. i understand that they need to have a narrative and they're trying to make her out as an opportunist who profited from this and donald trump is a victim, but i was just surprised at the lengths they went today to shame her on the stand. it was kind...
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necheles: you wanted to make more money, right? daniels: no. that's why i did 60 minutes for free. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. >> reporter: trump's attorney brought up daniels' career of writing, directing, and acting in adult films. necheles asked, "you have a lot of experience making phony stories about sex appear real." daniels disputed that. the sex in the films is very much real. just like what happened to me in that room. adding, if our encounter with trump was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better. trump grimaced at the comment. >> you feel like if you had wanted to go public, you could have gotten paid a lot of money to go public -- >> without a doubt. i know for a fact. >> reporter: daniels repeatedly denied being motivated by money and when necheles noted she was selling burke merchandise related to trump indictments online, daniels replied, not unlike mr. trump. did the defense's strategy potentially make stormy daniels look sympathetic to the jury? >> some jurors m
necheles: you wanted to make more money, right? daniels: no. that's why i did 60 minutes for free. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. >> reporter: trump's attorney brought up daniels' career of writing, directing, and acting in adult films. necheles asked, "you have a lot of experience making phony stories about sex appear real." daniels disputed that. the sex in the films is very much real. just like what happened to...
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necheles, no further questions. so ending there, sarah, what's the strategy, and what she said, was that a big win for the defense that he was worried about his family? >> that was a good spot for the defense to end, right? they made a good point. she sat down and didn't ask further questions to try to, you know, get some further admissions out of the witness, but it was a strong place for her to end. i think that the defense has sort of done what they need to do here. i think there probably is a tension with the defense attorneys and trump here, trump wants some sort of big moments on cross examination, some big wins. he can -- you know, that will be talked about in the press. the defense is really trying to chip away at these witnesses, really undermine the prosecution's case bit by bit so they can stand up at the end and say there's reasonable doubt. >> bernarda, speaking of family, we know that trump perked up in the courtroom yesterday when westerhout was testifying about his relationship with his wife melania,
necheles, no further questions. so ending there, sarah, what's the strategy, and what she said, was that a big win for the defense that he was worried about his family? >> that was a good spot for the defense to end, right? they made a good point. she sat down and didn't ask further questions to try to, you know, get some further admissions out of the witness, but it was a strong place for her to end. i think that the defense has sort of done what they need to do here. i think there...
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i mean, it bordered on susan necheles i think shaming a sex worker. i mean, it felt like that to me. i mean, the questions, there were weren't one or two, they went on and on. just very uncomfortable. it felt like something that might have happened three decades ago, and stormy daniels kept coming back and pointing out this was her job whether it was selling merchandise, selling her story, this is how she was making a living or making pornographic films. just because she is a pornographic star doesn't mean that she can just -- any guy can just have sex with her, and that's sort of what came across to me in the exchanges. stormy daniels really held her ground on that, but i just -- the questioning was uncomfortable to me. i think lawrence was right in that maybe the temperature didn't go up in terms of the voices, but my temperature went up just listening to the whole thing. it was uncomfortable. how did you take it, lisa? did you have the same? >> i did. as i remind our viewers all the time, i sat through two. e. jean carroll trials. this was very muc
i mean, it bordered on susan necheles i think shaming a sex worker. i mean, it felt like that to me. i mean, the questions, there were weren't one or two, they went on and on. just very uncomfortable. it felt like something that might have happened three decades ago, and stormy daniels kept coming back and pointing out this was her job whether it was selling merchandise, selling her story, this is how she was making a living or making pornographic films. just because she is a pornographic star...
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susan necheles is really experienced. she does not forget to object. so when you have gamesmanship, i mean, they want this in the case. >> a calculation. >> wait until summation. they will say look what they did with the case. they tried to call stormy daniels. they wanted this to be as salacious as possible because they don't have a case and they wanted to bring in all this stuff. that allows them to do something, because to this point there is no counter narrative. there is nothing. as we all set here, there is one narrative consistent with the evidence. i'm not saying this is a bad strategy, but they have to do something. you will hear in summation, like look at the birdie over here. so that is why the district attorney knows this is what defense lawyers do. so they say it should not have come in, we are complaining, judge. you know they are going to use it. judge merchan sat through 1 million of these cases. he knows it. he is expecting slightly better from the lawyers and saying, i'm not going to listen to gamesmanship. you should have objected, y
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necheles, again, trying to find one or two jurors. that's not really going to play that this was personal even though it was done by my trump employee, in my trump organization, in my business. >> didn't he, peter, baker, refresh my memory. wasn't there a limited trust? he wasn't supposed to be involved in trump organizations, his son was supposed to be running the company, right, when he was president of the united states? >> it was always a murky thing. in fact, he was still in charge. he never fully put it into a blind trust or took any of the pressures that previous presidents took to separate themselves from the business coming into office. jimmy carter did with the farm, for instance. he never fully disengaged from the business. that was a unique moment in presidential history. he profited from a lot of things that happened during the presidency, people staying at hotels and deals made overseas. i think that sort of comes back around. if he wasn't disengaged from t then he was responsible for the things happening in that office.
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necheles asserting, "you chose to make money, right?" daniels saying, "i chose to take the nondisclosure agreement." the jury today again hearing a phone call between michael cohen and daniels' lawyer, who negotiated the nda. that lawyer saying she wanted this money more than you can ever imagine. on redirect by the state, daniels told the jury money didn't drive her motivation for signing that nda, quote, we're all happy to take money. it was just a bonus. later, former trump aide madeleine westerhout testifying about mr. trump's reaction when the story about the hush money deal first broke, saying, "i remember he was very upset." late today, the judge denying the defense's renewed request for a mistrial. mr. trump's attorneys had argued daniels' salacious testimony was prejudicial and irrelevant. the judge also refusing to change a gag order which currently bars mr. trump for commenting on daniels' testimony. >> everybody saw what happened today. i don't think we have to do any explaining. i'm not allowed to, anyway. i got to get back
necheles asserting, "you chose to make money, right?" daniels saying, "i chose to take the nondisclosure agreement." the jury today again hearing a phone call between michael cohen and daniels' lawyer, who negotiated the nda. that lawyer saying she wanted this money more than you can ever imagine. on redirect by the state, daniels told the jury money didn't drive her motivation for signing that nda, quote, we're all happy to take money. it was just a bonus. later, former...
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i went there as a student susan necheles has a reputation in the legal community of being a spectacular lawyer. and i went there to learn from her and i did and what i learned was it just solidified when i knew there is no substitute for preparation. so all stormy's quick answers back, susan had a retort right back at you. oh, really? well, let's go let's talk about what you said to anderson cooper. oh, really, let's look, let's look what you wrote in your own book. so she had it off the top of her head and then she's able you live much technology. then she's able to call up on the big screens exactly what she wanted to see the whole thing with the saints candle, the saint of indictments. she call a picture and she made it very clear that this was number one about money you wanted to make money. and i and she said, i didn't get paid for the anderson cooper interview. and then susan commonly says, but how much money did you make after the anderson cooper interview? you made $800,000 on a book advance. you may $200,000 on a television show. you got the hundred and $30,000 so you made mill
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susan nechele, broader storm. and i even say like her body language like towards the end, she was kinda firm. i thought qarrah jokes kind of felt flat. she tried to make like three or four jokes. no one really laughed the biggest part that i was like are hot let's use and said, susan nechele, the defense attorney said, so you've written the scripts for is it 150 pornography movies? and she gets all proud stormy saying, yes. and i think she said i directed in them and so you know how to write imaginary sexual encounters, don't you and isn't that what happened here? no. this was real and if i was writing about it, i would have written a better story than this one, but it just goes to her credibility. but overall, like we've been saying she's not a material witness, she's doesn't the end. susan says, do you know something like how he keeps his checks? it keeps us checkbooks. do you know how the books and records and cab? >> no, no, no, no, no. geoff, it's just want to say because it's interesting that you say you're
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necheles: "you wanted to make more money, right?" daniels: "no. that's why i did "60 minutes" for free." >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. >> reporter: trump's attorney brought up daniels' career of writing, directing, and acting in adult films. necheles asked, "you have a lot of experience making phony stories about sex appear real." daniels disputed that. "the sex in the films is very much real, just like what happened to me in that room," adding if her encounter with trump was untrue, "i would have written it to be a lot better." trump grimaced at the comment. >> you feel like if you had wanted to go public, you could have gotten paid a lot of money to go public? >> without a doubt. i know for a fact. >> reporter: daniels repeatedly denied being motivated by money, and when necheles noted she was selling merchandise related to trump's indictments online, daniels replied, "not unlike mr. trump." >> did the defense's strategy potentially make stormy daniels look sympathetic to the jury? >> some ju
necheles: "you wanted to make more money, right?" daniels: "no. that's why i did "60 minutes" for free." >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no. but i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. >> reporter: trump's attorney brought up daniels' career of writing, directing, and acting in adult films. necheles asked, "you have a lot of experience making phony stories about sex appear real." daniels disputed that. "the sex in the films is...
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daniel says, yes, nechele sen. says, and now you have a story you have been telling about having sex with president trump, right? >> then daniel they'll says if that story was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better and that the transcript notes laughter in the room. >> how do you think that offensive? >> i thought that piece of cross backfired on the defense in a big way. i thought that was a mistake. i don't think it resonated with the jury. i think the cross-examination that donald trump trump's lawyers did the first day back on tuesday was extremely effective. they undermined her and clear crisp ways today, i thought it was meandering and i thought it was off the mark. there is a way that you can cross-examine stormy daniels very effectively in 45 seconds. >> what do you think? >> the reason they didn't do that is because this was a lot about what donald trump wanted to hear. >> that was are reporting yesterday and it seems to have played out that way in the court today. it's not optimal strategy. th
daniel says, yes, nechele sen. says, and now you have a story you have been telling about having sex with president trump, right? >> then daniel they'll says if that story was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better and that the transcript notes laughter in the room. >> how do you think that offensive? >> i thought that piece of cross backfired on the defense in a big way. i thought that was a mistake. i don't think it resonated with the jury. i think the...
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but on cross examination, trump's lawyer susan necheles tore into that claim. “you've been making money by claiming you had sex with donald trump for more than a decade,” she asked daniels. “i have been making money by telling my story,” daniels responded. necheles pressed on, “and the essence of your story is you had sex with president trump. and that story has made you a lot of money?" "it has also cost me a lot of money,” said daniels. the defense attorney blunt, “am i correct that you hate president trump?” "yes," daniels responded. “and you want him to go to jail?” “i want him to be held accountable.” when the day was done, stormy daniels was quickly taken from the courthouse. donald trump coming out to address reporters. >> so, this was a very big day, a very revealing day, as you see, their case is totally falling apart. >> reporter: trump did not mention stormy daniels at all. he is under a gag order that prevents him from attacking witnesses. the defense objected to her explicit testimony, but the judge said it was no grounds fo
but on cross examination, trump's lawyer susan necheles tore into that claim. “you've been making money by claiming you had sex with donald trump for more than a decade,” she asked daniels. “i have been making money by telling my story,” daniels responded. necheles pressed on, “and the essence of your story is you had sex with president trump. and that story has made you a lot of money?" "it has also cost me a lot of money,” said daniels. the defense attorney blunt, “am...
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necheles pressing on. "now you had a whole new fan base and were able to sell yourself?" "i just did the same job i always did," said daniels. trump's lawyer pointing out this candle daniels sells online -- stormy, saint of indictments -- asking her, "you're celebrating the indictment by selling things from your store, right?" "not unlike mr. trump," daniels replied. the former president has turned every twist and turn of his trials into a fundraising bonanza. daniels made it clear she's more than happy to see trump on the ropes, his lawyer showing her one old tweet. "you are drinking champagne because you are celebrating that trump was indicted?" "yes," she replied as trump shook his head. but on redirect, prosecutors asking daniels, "have you been telling lies about mr. trump or the truth about mr. trump?" "the trust," she said. after seven hours on the witness stand, stormy daniels left the building. trump's lawyers once again calling for a mistrial, calling the porn star's testimony "extremely prejudicial." but judge juan merchan rejecting that request. "this is not a
necheles pressing on. "now you had a whole new fan base and were able to sell yourself?" "i just did the same job i always did," said daniels. trump's lawyer pointing out this candle daniels sells online -- stormy, saint of indictments -- asking her, "you're celebrating the indictment by selling things from your store, right?" "not unlike mr. trump," daniels replied. the former president has turned every twist and turn of his trials into a fundraising...
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necheles lands a few jabs, but she needs a knockout punch. she did not come close. also as a matter of technique, she did a lot. you showed a couple of questions. isn't it a fact? daniels coolly said no, false, et cetera. so that stopped her in her tracks and then this misstep of basically suggesting, well, if you work in adult films you could not possibly be cowed by a 60-year-old billionaire looming over you. i think that was a false note that was offensive and in general i've got to say, i thought the cross examination must control. you want the jury looking at you. if anything, stormy was controlling the dynamic in the room and you could see who the jury was looking at. >> right. they are hitting the ball. you have it. your controlling where the ball goes. >> and controlling the pace and everything. and i agree with harry, she was not only a controlling witness, but she was the rare witness who is better on cross- examination then she was on direct. on direct she meandered. she wanted to tell her truth, which does not fit neatly into merchan's rules. >> that poi
necheles lands a few jabs, but she needs a knockout punch. she did not come close. also as a matter of technique, she did a lot. you showed a couple of questions. isn't it a fact? daniels coolly said no, false, et cetera. so that stopped her in her tracks and then this misstep of basically suggesting, well, if you work in adult films you could not possibly be cowed by a 60-year-old billionaire looming over you. i think that was a false note that was offensive and in general i've got to say, i...
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trump is twice her age and bigger, necheles saying you made this all up, right? daniels, forcibly responded, no, and necheles pressing, your story has complete we changed, hasn't it, daniels answering again, no, saying, this signed a statement where she denied an affair with mr. trump was done while she was trying to comply with the terms of a nondisclosure agreement in which she was paid to keep silent. today the defense argued that daniels has a financial stake in trying to take mr. trump down, after making more than $1 million offer story in books, a strip club or and various other merchandise on her website, like a $40 stormy saint of indictments kendall, necheles accusing her of trying to make money trying to sell a story that you promised would put president trump in jail, right, daniels responding, no. prosecutors say the payment was meant to keep her quiet so she couldn't derail his campaign. defense says there was no crime, it was all a shakedown. daniel testifying today, i was asking to sell my story to publications to get the truth out. necheles saying
trump is twice her age and bigger, necheles saying you made this all up, right? daniels, forcibly responded, no, and necheles pressing, your story has complete we changed, hasn't it, daniels answering again, no, saying, this signed a statement where she denied an affair with mr. trump was done while she was trying to comply with the terms of a nondisclosure agreement in which she was paid to keep silent. today the defense argued that daniels has a financial stake in trying to take mr. trump...
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this is trump attorney susan necheles speaking to stormy daniels. you're acted in porn and 206 films right and written and directed 150 sex films is that correct? so you have a lot of experience making phony stories of sex appear to be real, right? >> stormy daniels, wow, that's not how i would put it. the sex in the films is very much real just like what happened to me in that room. necheles, you've bragged about how good you are about writing porn movies and writing really good stories and really good dialogue, right? stormy daniels, yes. necheles, and now you have a story you're telling about donald ortrump, right? daniels, if that story was untrue, i would have written it to be a lot better. necheles, just so i can be clear in what you're saying you've acted and had sex in over 200 porn movies, right? 150-ish, yes. necheles, but according to you seeing a man in a t-shirt on a bed in boxer shorts you got light-headedt and almost faint. you were so upset he wanted to have sex with you you couldn't speak up and say you didn't wany to have sex with
this is trump attorney susan necheles speaking to stormy daniels. you're acted in porn and 206 films right and written and directed 150 sex films is that correct? so you have a lot of experience making phony stories of sex appear to be real, right? >> stormy daniels, wow, that's not how i would put it. the sex in the films is very much real just like what happened to me in that room. necheles, you've bragged about how good you are about writing porn movies and writing really good stories...
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and susan necheles said you made this all up right? and stormy daniels says no. and she said your story has completely changed, hasn't it, and daniels answering no, saying the signed statement where she denied an affair with mr. trump was done while she was trying to comply with the terms of a nondisclosure agreement in which she was paid to keep silent. the defense argued daniels has a financial stake in trying to take mr. trump down, after making more than $1 million offer story and books, a strip club tour in various items on the website, like a stormy saints of indictments candle, accusing her of selling a story that you promised will put president trump in jail, right? figure no. she responded. much of the testimony is far removed from what the presumptive gop nominee has been charged with for allegedly falsifying business records to hide a $130,000 payment to daniels ahead of the 2016 election. prosecutors say the payment was meant to keep her quiet so she couldn't derail his campaign but the defense says there was no crime, it was all a shakedown. daniels
and susan necheles said you made this all up right? and stormy daniels says no. and she said your story has completely changed, hasn't it, and daniels answering no, saying the signed statement where she denied an affair with mr. trump was done while she was trying to comply with the terms of a nondisclosure agreement in which she was paid to keep silent. the defense argued daniels has a financial stake in trying to take mr. trump down, after making more than $1 million offer story and books, a...
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i don't know. >> susan nechele. and in 20 your story has changed, hasn't it? >> stormy daniels says, no, not at all. you are trying to make me say that it changed, but it hasn't hey, it's just a flavor of what this is like in the courtroom and what the jury has to think about as they're determining whether stormy daniels is credible. >> good point. let me follow up with me and melaka henderson. do you think the tough cross-examination of stormy daniels today benefited the defense? >> no, i don't think he had benefited the defense i think you'd probably benefited trump's ego. right? i mean, i think he came in today. we'd all heard that they were going to keep her on the stand and delve into things, and delve into details in some ways to try to damage her credibility. but i also think ought to try to turn her into a nasty woman, right? who would do and say anything who didn't have any credibility, who could who would make things up, who was after money. but she essentially said, yes, i'm sort of all those things. and i think made the case for the prosecution tha
i don't know. >> susan nechele. and in 20 your story has changed, hasn't it? >> stormy daniels says, no, not at all. you are trying to make me say that it changed, but it hasn't hey, it's just a flavor of what this is like in the courtroom and what the jury has to think about as they're determining whether stormy daniels is credible. >> good point. let me follow up with me and melaka henderson. do you think the tough cross-examination of stormy daniels today benefited the...
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here is susan necheles talking to stormy daniels. i want to get your reaction. you've had sex and under 200 movies. and there are naked men and naked women it having sex including yourself. according to you, seeing a man sitting on a bed and a t-shirt on backer shares, it was upsetting you got lightheaded and -- yes, when you're not expecting a man twice your age to be in their underwear, i've seen my husband naked almost every day. if i came out of the bathroom and it was not my husband and it was mr. trump on the bed, i probably have the same reaction. what did you think of this line of inquiry which is you are a porn star and you're upset about a man trying to have sex with you? >> it's you are a porn star, how do you think you have the right to have consent ? because of what you do for your line of work, you must have a sign around your neck that basically says open to all. stormy daniels is clear, in my do the for a living but i choose when i do it for a living and how and when. not to do it with a 60-year-old man who i found repugnant into was looming over
here is susan necheles talking to stormy daniels. i want to get your reaction. you've had sex and under 200 movies. and there are naked men and naked women it having sex including yourself. according to you, seeing a man sitting on a bed and a t-shirt on backer shares, it was upsetting you got lightheaded and -- yes, when you're not expecting a man twice your age to be in their underwear, i've seen my husband naked almost every day. if i came out of the bathroom and it was not my husband and it...
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susan necheles "you have acted in 200 porn movies, right?" according to you, seeing a man on a bed and a t-shirt and boxer shorts was so upsetting that he got lightheaded, plotless your hands and feet and you almost fainted, right? because he was supposedly in a t-shirt and boxer shorts, you were so upset that he wanted to have with you that you couldn't speak up and say you didn't want to have with him ." daniels "correct." susan necheles " this is not the first time in a lifetime had made a pass at you, was it?" "no." but it was the first time they had a bodyguard staining site the door and they were twice my age and they were bigger than me. stormy daniels wasn't having any of it. that didn't stop the defense from 20 is the fact that she was an adult film star to discredit her and say her story doesn't add up because, well, she's had before . that is how trump's defense framed this alleged sexual encounter in court today. meanwhile , when it came to trump's role in that same alleged sexual encounter, here is how fox has been describing it.
susan necheles "you have acted in 200 porn movies, right?" according to you, seeing a man on a bed and a t-shirt and boxer shorts was so upsetting that he got lightheaded, plotless your hands and feet and you almost fainted, right? because he was supposedly in a t-shirt and boxer shorts, you were so upset that he wanted to have with you that you couldn't speak up and say you didn't want to have with him ." daniels "correct." susan necheles " this is not the first...
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susan necheles, he was playing golf himself. >> he was playing golf. i don't remember what the scores were. because i get to sit beside adam and he is active on the laptop and he could fact check this with a social media assist, we discovered that donald trump came in 62nd out of the 80 so-called celebrity golf res there. and that maury povich, he came in 30th. way ahead of donald trump. but that is one of the ways she so pointlessly stretched out this cross-examination this morning. >> absolutely. and that was probably the kindness word that stormy daniels said in response. i don't remember. maybe her memory just faltered. there was a moment explaining jokes to a lawyer and the thing that struck out at me was how funny and witty and disarming stormy daniels was and that was a weapon she used to defend herself in cross-examination. because there was just a stark contrast. a stark difference between the stormy daniels that took the stand on tuesday. she was nervous. racing through her testimony. and had to be reminded something like five times to slow d
susan necheles, he was playing golf himself. >> he was playing golf. i don't remember what the scores were. because i get to sit beside adam and he is active on the laptop and he could fact check this with a social media assist, we discovered that donald trump came in 62nd out of the 80 so-called celebrity golf res there. and that maury povich, he came in 30th. way ahead of donald trump. but that is one of the ways she so pointlessly stretched out this cross-examination this morning....
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necheles showing the jury items that make fun of trump that stormy sells. she asked stormy if a large part of the livelihood comes from the money she makes off of trump. stormy said no, but did admit she has to find a way to pay her legal bills. at one point necheles act if stormy attacked her boyfriend and if he thought she was insane. prosecutions objection prevented stormy from answering those questions. then the trial ventured into stormy daniels saying she can speak with dead relatives and necheles stormy made money telling people she can talk to the dead. the former president, when he arrived, says his attorneys are appealing the gag order that found him in criminal contempt so far ten times. >> we just filed a major motion in the appellate division concerning the absolutely unconstitutional gag order where i am essentially not allowed to talk to you about anything meaningful going on in the case and many good things are going on with the case. it shouldn't have been filed. >> defense trying to portray stormy as unreliable. money grabbing, and nuts. >
necheles showing the jury items that make fun of trump that stormy sells. she asked stormy if a large part of the livelihood comes from the money she makes off of trump. stormy said no, but did admit she has to find a way to pay her legal bills. at one point necheles act if stormy attacked her boyfriend and if he thought she was insane. prosecutions objection prevented stormy from answering those questions. then the trial ventured into stormy daniels saying she can speak with dead relatives and...
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>> susan necheles she did what she had to do. a lot of times you try different things in cross-examination and they don't all land. there were certain lines of cross that you knew were going to be a given which is she said she can speak to the dead and she had a good explanation for that. she wants to make money from this. she had a good explanation, it's not that it didn't -- it happened and she wants to make money, it's not that it's fake and she wanted to make money from it. so much else just felt by the wayside including i thought something that was sort of touching and heartbreaking and shows that the witness is smart, is careful, unflappable, where she said, no, you don't understand, all i'm saying about donald trump, the worst thing he did, is he lied about what happened. everything else that happened in that room is on me. it's my fault. it was so -- >> which was the heart of her direct testimony, that i laid there and couldn't figure out between myself how i got here. >> it was a moment where she was saying, i am not bla
>> susan necheles she did what she had to do. a lot of times you try different things in cross-examination and they don't all land. there were certain lines of cross that you knew were going to be a given which is she said she can speak to the dead and she had a good explanation for that. she wants to make money from this. she had a good explanation, it's not that it didn't -- it happened and she wants to make money, it's not that it's fake and she wanted to make money from it. so much...
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i mean, she has not given susan nechele has an inch on this. the question is if the questioning is effective with a jury, but but she has not conceded essentially anything every time that they bring up how much money she's made from this, she said, well, i've also lost a lot of money every time they bring up how it's boosted her reputation. she's also said that it's damaged for reputation and she has been at pretty effective at least with the eyes of the prosecutors pushing back on this. >> yeah. it's unclear how that's coming across to the jury because they're only hearing you're selling this. oh, but you're not making he money in her documentary, which is obviously her propaganda, you get a much more lengthy nuance story about how she is a mom, like how she grew up, and the fact that she doesn't really have a lot of other ways to support herself. the argument that she has probably on balance, lost money is more credible through that. but here i don't know that this is coming off terribly credible. you have these t-shirts do you have these can
i mean, she has not given susan nechele has an inch on this. the question is if the questioning is effective with a jury, but but she has not conceded essentially anything every time that they bring up how much money she's made from this, she said, well, i've also lost a lot of money every time they bring up how it's boosted her reputation. she's also said that it's damaged for reputation and she has been at pretty effective at least with the eyes of the prosecutors pushing back on this....
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susan necheles on the other hand has body language that would indicate just the opposite. you can feel her pulling away at her side of the table from sort of the bromance that's going on on the other side. that's not the only explanation here. susan necheles was also part of the defense team for the trump organization criminal tax fraud trial that occurred in 2022. that was the trial in which allen weisselberg pled guilty in the lead up to the trial and then was forced to be a witness against the organization. as you will remember, while donald trump himself was not charged individually, the organization was, the organization was found criminally liable and paid a couple of million dollars, give or take, in fines. donald trump has never gotten over that according to people who know him and he has blamed susan necheles for that loss. the fact that she remains in his orbit and continues to represent him is a testament to the strength of her skills, but that relationship has not been repaired to the extent that it might have been had susan necheles proven successful in that t
susan necheles on the other hand has body language that would indicate just the opposite. you can feel her pulling away at her side of the table from sort of the bromance that's going on on the other side. that's not the only explanation here. susan necheles was also part of the defense team for the trump organization criminal tax fraud trial that occurred in 2022. that was the trial in which allen weisselberg pled guilty in the lead up to the trial and then was forced to be a witness against...
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it was all leading to the one point that susan necheles wanted to make for the jury. question, you are looking to extort money from president trump, right? answer, false. susan necheles did not complete her cross-examination today when the court session ended . she had just begun asking stormy daniels about her attempt through her lawyer, keith davidson, to sell her straight to the national enquirer during the presidential campaign in june, 2016. stormy daniels' answer as to why she was trying to sell her story was, quote, get the story out and make some money. for most of her testimony she was wearing eyeglasses that created even more of a remove from the image of an adult actress. stormy daniels will resume her testimony on thursday morning. leading off air discussion tonight is andrew weissmann, former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he is a msnbc legal analyst and co-author of the best-selling book, the trump indictments. the historic charging documents with commentary. also with us in the courtroom today and who will be in the
it was all leading to the one point that susan necheles wanted to make for the jury. question, you are looking to extort money from president trump, right? answer, false. susan necheles did not complete her cross-examination today when the court session ended . she had just begun asking stormy daniels about her attempt through her lawyer, keith davidson, to sell her straight to the national enquirer during the presidential campaign in june, 2016. stormy daniels' answer as to why she was trying...
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necheles the attorney for donald trump. and she starts by asking her, you were very young at the white house. you made mistakes. remember that's exactly how the prosecution finished the questioning with her, talking about the -- what had happened to her at the white house and why she was no longer there. so then the defense is now starting with that same kind of logic. you were very young at the white house and you made mistakes. westerhout, yes. she has -- this is color from inside the courtroom, she has perked up. necheles says, president trump forgave you, right? westerhout, he did. i didn't have anything negative to say in the book, she says. during the 2016 election before he won, you were working for the rnc. question, the answer yes. you still didn't know him when you worked for the campaign. no, i did not. necheles "access hollywood" tape, always some event, someone said he was not going to win. westerhout, yes. necheles, there was always some event that causes consternation for a couple of days. answer, yes, there
necheles the attorney for donald trump. and she starts by asking her, you were very young at the white house. you made mistakes. remember that's exactly how the prosecution finished the questioning with her, talking about the -- what had happened to her at the white house and why she was no longer there. so then the defense is now starting with that same kind of logic. you were very young at the white house and you made mistakes. westerhout, yes. she has -- this is color from inside the...
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the person omitted damaging to what was susan necheles. the person who was weinstein ask -- weinstein-esque was president donald trump's defense lawyer. >> we do not really know these jurors individually. we know this is a new york jury in a state where a little bit of information, it is a solidly pro-choice date, okay? this is a state where i venture to guess as a former juror, as a woman, they will be people on that jury, men and women, who will say, hold up. are we supposed to be examining the behavior of the former president or is this just a woman being attacked? that kind of device in a court room is such a turnoff, that i could see it putting a bad taste in a juror's mouth from the very start and they will say, that is the best defense you have, going after a woman for being a professional at what she does? that did not sit right with me when i read the transcript. how is that going to sit with a jury? we do not really know yet, but i think we do not want to lose the human element. >> he was standing there. that is the thing that hi
the person omitted damaging to what was susan necheles. the person who was weinstein ask -- weinstein-esque was president donald trump's defense lawyer. >> we do not really know these jurors individually. we know this is a new york jury in a state where a little bit of information, it is a solidly pro-choice date, okay? this is a state where i venture to guess as a former juror, as a woman, they will be people on that jury, men and women, who will say, hold up. are we supposed to be...
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necheles really tried to throw stormy off, suggesting that as a porn star, stormy had experience with "phony stories about sex," to which stormy responded that the sex in such films is "very much real," and if the story of her night with trump had been made up, "i would have written it to be a lot better." [cheers and applause] damn. so, in addition to hearing about it, the jury got to see her spank him in real time! for years, stormy was bound by an nda and couldn't talk about her time with trump, and necheles went after her for eventually breaking her silence, saying, "even though you had agreed you would not discuss this story, you then decided that you wanted to publicly say that you had sex with donald trump." stormy's response, "no, nobody would ever want to publicly say that." it's true -- no one wants to admit having sex with donald trump. that's why, on don jr.'s birth certificate, the father is listed as "no comment." for weeks now, trump's been whining that his trial has kept him from doing the important work of campaigning for president. so naturally, yesterday, on his day
necheles really tried to throw stormy off, suggesting that as a porn star, stormy had experience with "phony stories about sex," to which stormy responded that the sex in such films is "very much real," and if the story of her night with trump had been made up, "i would have written it to be a lot better." [cheers and applause] damn. so, in addition to hearing about it, the jury got to see her spank him in real time! for years, stormy was bound by an nda and...
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those of us who work in manhattan are familiar with susan necheles, and she's a very good lawyer and has a good reputation as being a criminal defense attorney. so, yes, the payment is there. the only question that is whether or not donald trump had anything to do with it. but she was a necessary witness to establish that she was told to be silent, and that happened after the "access hollywood" tape hit, and she was paid for it by michael cohen. >> okay. so we had a slew of objections, catherine, from defense, they were sustained. a mistrial request. judge merchan saying that daniels was offering up more information than she was being asked to relate. how is the prosecution feeling about her testimony going into tomorrow, since it's a day off told, how might they be prepping her? >> they can't prep her because she's in the middle of cross-examination, so that's the rule. she is now the defense in the middle of the cross-examination. what the prosecution are probably think about are they going to redirect her, is she going to do what she did on direct, and just sort of spew out inform
those of us who work in manhattan are familiar with susan necheles, and she's a very good lawyer and has a good reputation as being a criminal defense attorney. so, yes, the payment is there. the only question that is whether or not donald trump had anything to do with it. but she was a necessary witness to establish that she was told to be silent, and that happened after the "access hollywood" tape hit, and she was paid for it by michael cohen. >> okay. so we had a slew of...
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>> susan necheles. susan necheles. susan necheles. >> stephen: are we sure that's her name and not just how trump describes her? "okay, todd glasses does the opening statement. susan necklace does the cross, johnny bowtie here brings me my big mac, and uh-oh big judge black muumuu is mad at me again." yesterday was primary day in indiana, a fact i totally knew before i read it in the prompter right there. and in this primary, there were warnings in the results for donald trump. 'cause despite her dropping out of the race two months ago, nikki haley still pulled in nearly 22% of the vote. wow! she's not even -- that's gotta sting for trump. that's like a boss telling you "sorry, we're passing you over for the promotion and giving it to mark. may he rest in peace." now, indiana is crucial for any republican seeking the white house. in fact, a few years ago, trump said of indiana, "it's called importantville. yes, that's why they called the movie "importantville jones and the temple of doom" starring the incredible han so
>> susan necheles. susan necheles. susan necheles. >> stephen: are we sure that's her name and not just how trump describes her? "okay, todd glasses does the opening statement. susan necklace does the cross, johnny bowtie here brings me my big mac, and uh-oh big judge black muumuu is mad at me again." yesterday was primary day in indiana, a fact i totally knew before i read it in the prompter right there. and in this primary, there were warnings in the results for donald...
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susan necheles, she's very good, and she has done this many times before. >> even after the admonition from the judge, the details may not be necessary, but the details are still coming through. >> and discussing here in new york with my two legal greats, how interesting and perhaps surprising it was to learn all of these details from stormy daniels that one, the defense had not objected to anything they were saying so it was not surprising coming back from break, maybe we are going too far, we don't need to know what the floor looked like in this hotel room. do you think that's the right call in that moment, katharine? >> this is a fair judge, and he was sitting there looking at the defense and saying, i have to do this, because some appellant court might think they don't care they didn't object, i should have done something. they want all of this to come out and we will find out when susan necheles gets up for the defense, and these details are over the top and have nothing to do with the falsifying business documents. >> she does describe coming out of the bathroom and seeing trump
susan necheles, she's very good, and she has done this many times before. >> even after the admonition from the judge, the details may not be necessary, but the details are still coming through. >> and discussing here in new york with my two legal greats, how interesting and perhaps surprising it was to learn all of these details from stormy daniels that one, the defense had not objected to anything they were saying so it was not surprising coming back from break, maybe we are going...
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i thought susan necheles did a good job on her cross exam. one by one, most of the admissions that the prosecution had gotten from her she managed to curtail or at least make a little bit more uncertain. while she said yesterday, for example, that trump did read checks before he signed them, today she was more ambiguous saying that sometimes he did it absent mindedly while he was taking meetings, for example, with her, while people were passing through. she also said that when she was basically dealing with him that his attention diverted at times, and so they were really creating doubt about whether trump was focused in on the checks that he was signing or whether he was just doing so casually. now, remember, chris, also based on their amount and other things that the d.a. has presented, it's not entirely plausible that donald trump would have signed nine $35,000 checks absent mindedly, but madeleine westerhout proved to be a fairly good witness for the defense today in just sort of peeling back a number of admissions that i think the prosec
i thought susan necheles did a good job on her cross exam. one by one, most of the admissions that the prosecution had gotten from her she managed to curtail or at least make a little bit more uncertain. while she said yesterday, for example, that trump did read checks before he signed them, today she was more ambiguous saying that sometimes he did it absent mindedly while he was taking meetings, for example, with her, while people were passing through. she also said that when she was basically...
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trump's lawyer, susan necheles, aggressively challenged daniels' credibility. at one point asking, "you wanted to make more money, right?" daniels said, "no, that's why i did "60 minutes" for free." >> you could have gotten paid a lot to go public. >> without a doubt. i know for a fact. >> reporter: when necheles asked if subcommittee made up the sexual encounter, she responded if it was untrue i would have written it a lot better. >> the only thing that stormy daniels is relevant for is to say that she had a story and got paid $130,000 for that story. >> reporter: trump again lashed out at judge juan merchan yesterday after he denied trump's lawyer's request to amend the gag order. >> he's a corrupt judge, and he's totally conflicted. >> reporter: their second motion for a mistrial also denied. also yesterday the judge told news photographers that they were no longer allowed to take pictures inside of the courtroom. this comes after one of the photographers apparently violated the rules of the court. this is according to some of the reports from those inside.
trump's lawyer, susan necheles, aggressively challenged daniels' credibility. at one point asking, "you wanted to make more money, right?" daniels said, "no, that's why i did "60 minutes" for free." >> you could have gotten paid a lot to go public. >> without a doubt. i know for a fact. >> reporter: when necheles asked if subcommittee made up the sexual encounter, she responded if it was untrue i would have written it a lot better. >> the...
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defense attorney susan nechele is said, wow, daniels replied with a pause. that's not how i would put it. the sex and the film's is very much real, just like what happened to me in that room. nicholas asked daniels if she made up the story with trump. it that story was untrue. i would have written it to be a lot better. daniels shot back the defense, zeroing in on small inconsistencies and the details of daniel story, hoping to undermine her credibility with the jury, your story has completely changed. nechele is said, daniels and raised voice replied, no you're trying to make me say that it changed, but it hasn't changed. and then they question daniel's earlier testimony that she felt powerless in trump's hotel room, you acted and had sex in over 200 porn movies. nechele said. >> but according to you, seeing a man sitting not abed in a t-shirt and boxer shorts was so upsetting that you got lightheaded. >> this wasn't the first time in your life someone made a pass at you? daniels replied, no, but it's the first time they had a body guard standing outside th
defense attorney susan nechele is said, wow, daniels replied with a pause. that's not how i would put it. the sex and the film's is very much real, just like what happened to me in that room. nicholas asked daniels if she made up the story with trump. it that story was untrue. i would have written it to be a lot better. daniels shot back the defense, zeroing in on small inconsistencies and the details of daniel story, hoping to undermine her credibility with the jury, your story has completely...
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necheles asserting you chose to take money. daniels saying, i chose to take the nondisclosure agreement. that lawyer saying she wanted this money more than you can ever imagine. on redirect by the state, daniels told the jury money didn't drive her motivation for signing that nda, quote, we are all happy to take money. it was just a bonus. later former trump aide madeleine westerhout testifying about mr. trump's reaction when the story about the hush money deal first broke, saying i remember he was very upset. the judge denying the defense's renewed request for a mistrial. mr. trump's attorneys argued daniels salacious testimony was prejudicial. the judge refusing to change the gag order which currently bars mr. trump from commenting on daniels' testimony. >> everybody saw what happened today. i don't think we have to do any explaining. i'm not allowed to any. i've got to get back on the campaign trail. i'm not supposed to be here. we are so innocent. there's never been anything like it. >> yeah, yeah, i don't think i want to h
necheles asserting you chose to take money. daniels saying, i chose to take the nondisclosure agreement. that lawyer saying she wanted this money more than you can ever imagine. on redirect by the state, daniels told the jury money didn't drive her motivation for signing that nda, quote, we are all happy to take money. it was just a bonus. later former trump aide madeleine westerhout testifying about mr. trump's reaction when the story about the hush money deal first broke, saying i remember he...
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"yes, your honor," necheles says. so judge merchan there establishing that, beyond we had sex, is what they're talking about. hoffinger, the prosecutor says "they're being careful to admit some details that are, quote, 'too salacious.'" again, this is where we are as a country right now that we are having this discussion and this debate in the courtroom. prosecutors is also saying, quote, "in terms of the sexual act, it will be very basic." i can't believe i have to read this on television. [ laughter ] it's not going to involve any descriptions. >> better you than me, jake tapper. >> it's not going to involve descriptions of anything in particular. [ laughter ] >> just read it. read it on the screen. >> seth: they're bullying jake tapper. [ laughter ] i'm surprised his voice didn't crack. "it's not going to involve any descriptions of --" "say the words, dork, sexual acts!" [ laughter ] journalists are reacting to the news the way my friends and i reacted when the principal caught us looking at a "playboy" during rec
"yes, your honor," necheles says. so judge merchan there establishing that, beyond we had sex, is what they're talking about. hoffinger, the prosecutor says "they're being careful to admit some details that are, quote, 'too salacious.'" again, this is where we are as a country right now that we are having this discussion and this debate in the courtroom. prosecutors is also saying, quote, "in terms of the sexual act, it will be very basic." i can't believe i have...
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donald trump's lawyer, susan necheles, sought to establish that trump's concern about the story had to do with his family, but it backfired. westerhout agreed that trump was concerned that the story would upset his family, but said he never told her that. i don't believe he specifically said that, but i could just tell that the whole situation was very unpleasant. the prosecution objected to the second part of her answer, which was stricken from the record. donald trump has sat largely alone in court without most of his family members for 15 days. eric trump has made appearances, but no one else from the family has set in court with trump at any point in this trial so far, including his wife to whom he was married when prosecutors say he slept with stormy daniels and a decade later when he paid her off to save his campaign. after testimony today, prosecutors spent the rest of the day calling a series of custodial witnesses to introduce records into evidence that have direct ties to michael cohen. before the trial began prosecutors alleged that cohen spoke to trump on the phone on octob
donald trump's lawyer, susan necheles, sought to establish that trump's concern about the story had to do with his family, but it backfired. westerhout agreed that trump was concerned that the story would upset his family, but said he never told her that. i don't believe he specifically said that, but i could just tell that the whole situation was very unpleasant. the prosecution objected to the second part of her answer, which was stricken from the record. donald trump has sat largely alone in...
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i mean, at time susan nechele, trump's attorney and stormy daniels were talking over each other. the judge, at least twice had to tell susan nechele to let daniel's answer the questions they were certainly sparring at times. it seemed like there were a couple of points that trump's side was trying to make on this. there's stormy daniels was motivated by money going through ways that she had sold merchandise, sold candles, tried to profit off of her relation or her one night with donald trump but stormy daniels was fighting back each every part of the way when they asked her she was profiting. one of the things that daniel said was this is me doing my job, not unlike mr. trump's suggesting that he was also profiting off the indictments that he has faced both here and elsewhere. i'll also a lot of the focus was trying to find holes in squirmy. daniels story pointing out that she he told interviewers different details in 2011 and 2018 that she did not recount in new in court today or vice versa. a lot of the focus seems to be on her saying previous plea that they had dinner, but her
i mean, at time susan nechele, trump's attorney and stormy daniels were talking over each other. the judge, at least twice had to tell susan nechele to let daniel's answer the questions they were certainly sparring at times. it seemed like there were a couple of points that trump's side was trying to make on this. there's stormy daniels was motivated by money going through ways that she had sold merchandise, sold candles, tried to profit off of her relation or her one night with donald trump...
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and necheles asked, "that was referring to trump?" daniels, "it doesn't say that, so it's up to your interpretation." daniels, "i'm also not a toilet." she goes on to say, "if someone can make fun of me, i can make fun of them." necheles, "what did you mean when you said orange turd?" daniels, "oh, i absolutely meant trump." necheles, "then why didn't you say that a minute ago?" >> seth: because i thought it was [ bleep ] obvious? [ laughter ] when trump's lawyers started asking that, i'm surprised trump didn't jump in and say, "oh, me, she was talking about me, everyone knows." you could write 'orange turd' on a piece of mail, and that would be enough for it to get to me." not only did the words "orange turd" get officially entered into evidence but they actually had to have a back and forth in front of the jury to establish who the orange turd in question is. i mean, how did the rest of that exchange go? counsel, "what did you mean when you said 'orange turd'?" daniels, "it's up to your interpretation." counsel, "were you talking ab
and necheles asked, "that was referring to trump?" daniels, "it doesn't say that, so it's up to your interpretation." daniels, "i'm also not a toilet." she goes on to say, "if someone can make fun of me, i can make fun of them." necheles, "what did you mean when you said orange turd?" daniels, "oh, i absolutely meant trump." necheles, "then why didn't you say that a minute ago?" >> seth: because i thought it was [ bleep...