and the series of cases, young, that was referenced by defense counsel, as well as nichols v state are both instances where there's a personal interest in the case, due to the situation and where at one point they were opposing parties, and of course there's a personal interest or stake as it relates to prosecuting an opposing party in a civil claim, which is what both of those cases reference, which shows that there's an actual conflict of interest that relates to the personal gain of the specific prosecuting agency. >> and what do you make of nichols' reference, it's an older case. sometimes the language can be what we're not accustomed to seeing. they refer to the metaphor of caesar's wife. when that's used as an ethical standard, that's something that goes beyond just an actual conflict, right, isn't the beyond approach getting more into appearance world? >> is it getting beyond? >> is it getting into the appearance aspect of things when we're talking about caesar's wife. >> i think it goes beyond that based on the language of the holding in that case where it literally says that i