so i said to nick cohen, will you come to the studio and listen to "tommy."ball freak. i lived in soho at an old editing studio in middle of london. and there were pinball places everywhere. and i used to play all the time. and i was really good, but there was this kid that i could never beat. and it turned out to be this kid arfur. anyway, so -- >> jimmy: wow. >> nick was writing this book, i knew this. he comes in, and i said, "what do you think of the record?" he goes, "oh, it's pretentious." [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you go, "not what i was looking for." >> you know, the rock star is a a guru. this is not going to go down well. people are going to think you're preaching, and i am scrabbling thinking, "what do i do? what do i do?" and i said, "what about --" i'm thinking on my feet. "what about if he's not a rock star --" and all the time, i'm thinking, "i haven't got the song yet." i haven't written the song. what about if he's a pinball champion, and nick cohen goes, "hmm, hmm, tommy the pinball champion. deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball.