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joining us this morning, noah bookbinder, the president and ceo for responsibility of ethics in washingtonis organization that filed this lawsuit. noah, good morning, thank you for being with us, you prevailed here, so far, that is your argument, that it is necessary for the future of democracy, what about those that say actually not letting the voters have their say is anti thet call to democracy? >> yeah, the problem with that is that we tried that already. in 2020 voters had a chance to decide if they wanted donald trump to be president, they decided that they didn't, and what happened after that was donald trump refused to accept that result, and incited a violent insurrection to try to keep himself in power despite having lost. there's simply no reason to think that somehow we can do it this way and it will come out differently. that's why the framers of the 14th amendment put this provision into the constitution, it was specifically meant to defend the republic from those who have attacked it in the past. attacked the democracy in the past. that's what we have here, and, you know, th

noah bookbinder is president of the responsibility of -- at the top of the next hour, i will be speaking to judge michael luttig, who along with the constitutional scholar, lawrence tribe, was one of the first to popularize and promote the idea that section three of the 14th amendment disqualifies donald trump from being on the ballot. still ahead, the death toll in gaza has now surpassed 20,000 according to the got the health ministry. nbc news cannot verify those numbers. you know what? we can virtually never verify death counts in a war. we do have reason to believe those numbers are pretty accurate. we will explain why, in great yield, after the break. and ipad and apple watch se - all on us. only on verizon. honey... honey... nyquil severe honey. powerful cold and flu relief with a dreamy honey taste. nyquil honey, the nighttime, sniffing, sneezing, couging, aching, fever, honey-licious, best sleep with a cold, medicine. a force to be reckon with. no, not you saquon. hm? you! your business bank account with quickbooks money, now earns 5% apy. 5% apy? that's new! yup, that's how you

i'm going to noah bookbinder the president and ceo of citizens for ethics and lawsuit. also, a long-time colorado republican, one of the plaintiffs in this case. i'm glad you're with me here tonight. this is significant. you were censured by your county gop for being a part of this lawsuit. what is your reaction to the ruling tonight? >> i laughed about the censure. i've been a republican for 30 years. highly active. very committed. my time and treasure has gone to that party. i'm happy about tonight's ruling. this is about rule of law. this is about the constitution. the constitution is very clear. if a person endangerendangers s. that person is ineligible. the constitution is clear. there's five different ways. there's age, residency. if you serve two terms already. and if you engaged in insurrection, having taken that oath. you can not run again. and i think it's clear. >> noah, we bring you in. the court agrees with the district. we spoke about this very issue. the finding and the court writing saying, we conclude that the foregoing evidence, the great bulk that was

. >> noah bookbinder, appreciate you. i look forward to more conversations down the road. >> thanks for having me. >>> still to come, potentially the last presidential primary debate and front runner donald trump will not even be in the room, what we will be watching for next, meantime, president biden's approval rating drops even further in the latest cnn poll, the details on those important numbers and later, israeli prize -- prime minister benjamin netanyahu has said troops have surrounded hamas leaders room in gaza, when we come back. >>> where less than six weeks away, can you believe that? the iowa caucus in tonight, chris christie, nikki haley, vivek ramaswamy, ron desantis all facing often the primary debate here it >> yet again, the court -- front runner, donald trump will not be there. he will be campaigning in florida instead. let's discuss with david shelley and and jessica dean. the dynamic changes, fewer candidates and nikki haley has emerged as the prime trump alternative. is it fair to see we will see them

bookbinder and donald sherman for being courageous enough to pursue this case and for putting on such an airtight case before the court. this is a test of our united states supreme court not of donald trump at this point, not of the lawyers in the case, not of colorado. and we will have to see what happens. >> we sure will. thank you so much for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you, alex. >> coming up next we'll be joined by one of the parties at the center of this ruling secretary of state griswold. don't go anywhere. g secretary of state griswold. don't go anywhere. sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. e

i'm going instead to a tourney noah bookbinder, the president and ceo of the citizens responsibility of ethics in washington. the organization behind the very lawsuit. also here chris decay, for a long time republican, who is one of the plaintiffs in this case. i'm glad that you're both here with me tonight. this is very significant. i want to begin with you krista if we can. you were actually censured by your county gop for even being a part of this lawsuit. what is your reaction to the ruling tonight? >> well, i laughed about the -- i've been a republican for probably 30 years, highly active, i ran for office myself, very committed my time and treasure has gone to that party. so this ensure was kind of a music. i'm very very happy about tonight's ruling. i know there's going to be an appeal. this is really about the rule of, law it's about the constitution. the constitution is very clear. if a person engages in the insurrection having taken oath of office to the constitution, tries then to undermine that very document by forming an insurrection is trump did on january six. that per

bookbinder, donald sherman and the entire crew for being courageous enough and clear enough to pursue this case and reporting on such an airtight case before the court. this is a test of our united states supreme court, not of donald trump at this point, not of the lawyers in the case, not of colorado and we will have to see what happens. >> we sure will. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for your time tonight, i appreciate it. >> thank you alex. >> coming up next we will be joined by one of the parties at the very center of this ruling, colorado secretary of state jena griswold. don't go anywhere. what is cirkul? cirkul is the fuel you need to take flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to the next level. cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul. it's your water, your way. ( ♪♪ ) the serrano name has always been something we're proud of. it's why we show it off on our low riders and why we wear our name on our chains. we come from people we can be proud of. from socal to our family in texas, to back home in jalisco. seeing all the places i come from, i know.

joining us now, noah bookbinder, president of citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. his organization represented the voters seeking to disqualify donald trump in colorado. so this was not a unanimous ruling. it came down 4-3. these were also all democrat appointed judges. so does that concern you as it heads to the republican majority supreme court? >> i mean, look, this is a difficult thing for any court to do. this is first time we've ever had a former president and leading presidential candidate who has been involved in conduct that we believe strongly and the court affirms is an insurrection against the united states. this does not happen very often. so to get to this conclusion is a huge lift and incredibly significant that majority of the colorado state supreme court got there. so i think that we're not overly bothered by the fact that it was close. it was always going to be close. i think that we'll see what happens, we'll see if donald trump really does appeal as his team has said that they will and when and if the u.s. supreme court takes it up, but if they

com piece that you wrote along with noah bookbinder.te in part that without a clear decision on this constitutional issue, millions of americans could see their votes wasted on a candidate who's not constitutionally allowed to serve. a, can you expand on that for us, and b, are you aware that some of our leaguer experts were saying earlier, this might not be resolved by the time that voters in your state, colorado, will actually have to make a decision on the primary ballots? >>> sure, so our clients, our six republican and unaffiliated voters in colorado who don't want their votes to be looted or wasted in a primary that involves a disqualified candidate. they want -- what they want is to have a primary with only qualified candidates. and for this question to be resolved, before the primaries held on march 5th, we certainly have seen donald trump's efforts. in our case and others, to delay proceedings. as much as possible. our team scratch and claw to get this case to a trial. we had a five-day trial. where trump had an opportunity to

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bookbinder, donald sherman and the entire crew for being courageous enough in clear enough to pursues case and reporting on such an airtight case before the court. this is a test of our united states supreme court, not of donald trump at this point, not of the lawyers in the case, not of colorado and we will have to see what happens. >> we sure will. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for your time, tonight i appreciated. >> thank you. alex >> coming up next we will be joined by one of the parties at the very center of this ruling. 's colorado secretary of state jena griswold. don't go anywhere. >>>old. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. >> when you smell the amazing scent of gain flings... time stops. (♪♪) and you realize you're in love... steve? with a laundry detergent. (♪♪) gain flings. seriously good scent. i'll be home for christmas. you can count on me. please have snow and mistletoe. and presents under the tree right now, all over the country, kids at shriners hospitals for children® are able to go home and be with their families for the holidays. and it's only possible because of

. >> reporter: i wanted to read a pa of the msnbc.com piece that you wrote along with noah bookbinderpart that without a clear decision on this constitutional issue, millions of americans could see their votes wasted on a candidate who's not constitutionally allowed to serve. a, can you expand on that for us, and b, are you aware that some of our leaguer experts were saying earlier, this might not be resolved by the time that voters in your state, colorado, will actually have to make a decision on the primary ballots? >>> sure, so our clients, our six republican and unaffiliated voters in colorado who don't want their votes to be looted or wasted in a primary that involves a disqualified candidate. they want -- what they want is to have a primary with only qualified candidates. and for this question to be resolved, before the primaries held on march 5th, we certainly have seen donald trump's efforts. in our case and others, to delay proceedings. as much as possible. our team scratch and claw to get this case to a trial. we had a five-day trial. where trump had an opportunity to call w

. >> noah bookbinder and marc elias, amazing to have you both in the wake of this. this remarkable opinion, 200 pages, and i will admit i was making my way through when i had to come on set. i will leave you to get to the back to the rest of it as well. coming up, it all comes down to the supreme court in the deciding role the justices are about to play in the future of american democracy, next. american democracy, next american democracy, next >> my active psoriatic arthritis can make me feel like i'm losing my rhythm. with skyrizi to treat my skin and joints, i'm getting into my groove. ♪(uplifting music)♪ along with significantly clearer skin... skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi 90% clearer skin and less joint pain are possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if

noah, this is a significant victory for you albeit a temporary one. i'm wondering what aspect of your case will be the biggest point of contention for the high court like what argument do you think they will scrutinize most? >> well, i think we have to start with the fact that this was a historic ruling by the colorado supreme court that, you know, after a hearing in which there were a large number of witnesses, there were thousands of pages of documents reviewed, the district court found that donald trump incited in insurrection which is incredibly significant to colorado supreme court, and affirmed that ruling, and further found that donald trump was disqualified, so i don't want to gloss over how significant that is in defending the democracy. i do you know, certainly think that you haven't had these cases before because we've never before had a presidential candidate or a former president who engaged in this type of conduct. and, you know, i do expect the issue that the trial court judge raised about whether the president is an officer of the unit