so the obr plays an important role, of course — obr plays an important role, of course it — obr playses. but if you look back, the obr has consistently adjusted — back, the obr has consistently adjusted upwards in terms of the performance of the uk economy and that _ performance of the uk economy and that you — performance of the uk economy and that... you can check the figures, that... you can check the figures, that is— that... you can check the figures, that is wait— that... you can check the figures, that is well established fact. i have checked the figures and ijust read them out to you and they come from the obr whichjeremy hunt on the prime minister have been very keen to say is absolutely what they should be using to mark your homework. jonathan ashworth, you said the prime minister was lying last week when he came up with that £2000 tax figure at which he said people would be paying if labour win the election. you have now come up with your own figure. you say if you vote conservative, it will mean 4800 and everyone's mortgage. that is just a spurious, it was called very spec

>> that's the obr's prediction. that's the obr's prediction. will monitor these policies and we will ensure that as we go forward, we are trying to bring these policies down further and in the health space and social care space, what we've also wanted to do is ensure that we are training our domestic workforce to take on these important jobs. so we have record numbers of doctors and nurses in the nhs today, thanks to record levels of investment by the government. but what we want to do is train even more doctors, nurses, gp's, dentists and midwives and through the long term workforce plan that we introduced last year, we are already seeing medical school places increasing. we're seeing nursing retention and recruitment increase. we are seeing we want to increase gp training by some 50% by the end of the decade, so that we have a really , really strong workforce really, really strong workforce here in the uk with the measures to manage migration, whether legal or illegal. >> okay. i mean , some people >> okay. i mean, some people watching and li

so labour are making a big thing of revering the structures of the obr.at matters is that they can't therefore do a budget super quick if they win, because the lag time required for the obr to do its number crunching is about ten weeks. in other words, basically that means the autumn. but they would be able to do, labour, were they to win, a king's speech, that sort of all of the flurry around the horses and all of that kind of stuff, when the king reads out a government's programme forfor government, then you could expect that whatever the outcome of the election, because it would be a new government, whatever its political complexion, and they would be wanting to set out the stuff in their winning manifesto to to crack on with. right. the lesser spotted boris johnson has been spotted, but in leaflets and social media. what's your take on borisjohnson�*s very low key comeback? yeah. so he's been out of the country for quite a lot of the campaign. and talking to folk around borisjohnson in the last few days, they were making it clear that he had offered v

has also said, and the obr has quantified the impact it would have on growth, on the public financesnd a very sharp cut in immigration, in their view, and indeedin immigration, in their view, and indeed in mine , would lead to indeed in mine, would lead to this big hole in tax revenues. hence requiring, you know, tax rises or public service cuts. >> on the other hand, though, prof. there is an also cogent argument to suggest that if the obr bakes in that forecast of around 330,000 people coming into the country a year, and we haven't got the infrastructure to make up for that, we're not building enough houses and indeed there's already strains on the nhs, doctors and dentists appointments, then it's going to be difficult to sustain that level, well that's right. but and, but of course that 330,000 represents a pretty significant fall. so we have, as we discussed before, that fall is already , in some sense baked in. already, in some sense baked in. but remember, we have to pay for things like the nhs and we have to staff things like the nhs. and so for the nhs, for example, when you

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money that is, of course, the obr . they are saying that if the obr.saying that if it does not, if it costs the taxpayer , the obr will tell the taxpayer, the obr will tell the labour party to abandon this plan . meanwhile, rishi sunak has plan. meanwhile, rishi sunak has pledged to scrap mickey mouse university courses such as creative arts and design and media journalism what and communications to help fund 100,000 apprentices. problem. there is seriously what is the mickey mouse degree? which one? which? who decides ? joining me which? who decides? joining me now to discuss jonathan and gary wright i'm going to start with you, gary monde, starting with the private school. >> i think this is very, very dangerous. what is going to happenisin dangerous. what is going to happen is in the first instance, there will be growing numbers of people who will not be able to afford to send their children to private schools. and these are families coming from ordinary backgrounds , kids whose parents backgrounds, kids whose parents are probably working overtime o

there's lex andepending■ novembe promising less in how do you take that sector and obring them into thisg the■9 conversatin to a difficult place related to hoe built stronger social racts. how do we understand in a way will have taxt collections is if we actually have breaking labor and sadly i do not have the answer. i want to say something which a complete response to your know if we said hi and enough we have very low competition in most markets in we have very high markup on average were out there with the developed world is always been that that's the big concern we e ewhich is a very strange landscape. we have go from one extreme a ml and medium firms people in tiny firms. out of what we have there is the story of of the market not being able to put in a competition the very top. i do not know how the mind set changes iç]o think that in some of our countries going agains maybe andrea can correct me we have competition has been stronger standing. that starts changg my own country different i think it matter of >> a relationship with power and how you deal with authority. [laughter]

the obr said it and all sorts of experts have said it. mr sunak�*s old boss said it. on the radio the other day, it has made trading more difficult. rishi sunak did not want to touch that with a barge pole and i mean a very long and spiky barge pole. he did almost everything he could to avoid addressing that point. we were not trying to get him to say, it was a terrible thing. but would he acknowledge the economic consensus now that brexit has made it harderfor the uk to trade around the world. he of course, came back with evidence of new trade deals that he says they have signed. he was citing recent statistics that the uk has been doing better recently than other eu countries. but neil got in touch to say, "this interview is painful, "does he understand his response to questions is a terrible look?" what did it look like to you? what does it look like when you were watching it? he was feisty, for sure, which i thought was a continuation to his approach to wednesday's debate. and i thought then, i thought it worked very well for him. but it is a fine line. i think i

the obr said it and all sorts of experts have said it. mr sunak�*s old boss said it.dio the other day, it has made trading more difficult. rishi sunak did not want to touch that with a barge pole and i mean a very long and spiky barge pole. he did almost everything he could to avoid addressing that point. we were not trying to get him to say, it was a terrible thing. but would he acknowledge the economic consensus now that brexit has made it harderfor the uk to trade around the world. he of course, came back with evidence of new trade deals that he says they have signed. he was citing recent statistics that the uk has been doing better recently than other eu countries. but neil got in touch to say, "this interview is painful, "does he understand his response to questions is a terrible look?" what did it look like to you? what does it look like when you were watching it? he was feisty, for sure, which i thought was a continuation to his approach to wednesday's debate. and i thought then, i thought it worked very well for him. but it is a fine line. i think i wrote on t

they're called obr forecasts. they're called obr forecasts. they can look at them. right. tax rises, which they have not got a mandate for. and that is outrageous. and we are not going to let them get away with it. okay. and final question from itv . the, martin bashir from itv itv. the, martin bashir from itv news, you say that keir starmer should have the courage and conviction to be honest about the clear choice the next government will face about whether to hike taxes or cut spending. and the spirit of that honesty, which would a conservative government do ? conservative government do? >> well, we've set out very clearly here today how we have a plan in our fully costed manifesto to address the issues facing the country, but, crucially, to cut people's taxes. right. and that involves difficult decisions. government is not easy, but we have been transparent about those decisions . and what i'm putting decisions. and what i'm putting to you today is the same cannot be said for the labour party. they are planning to raise your taxes. they are planning by not ruling out ca

the obr mate.s on to a tv show two years ago and says, oh, the economy's hit 4% each year. >> i've never seen the facts to back that up. never. >> listen, i'll go about the obr say and that's what they said. that's what they say. 4% each yearis that's what they say. 4% each year is a decrease because tom moore growing faster than germany and france. listen, forget that for a second. let's talk about these great deals you say we've done. yeah liz truss did a deal with australia and new zealand to bring in, their lamb to this country, which actually ruins our farmers. farmers are being undercut. our farmers who are the backbone of this country are suffering because of deals that we have to do now with other countries, because we left the eu. that's no good when we are making our own people poorer. no, to spite our face. mike, that is the that is the case. >> it's a question of restructuring the whole of our trade deals around the world. that was never going to happen in the first 12 or 18 months. it'

let us look some policies you want to cut taxes but the obr i it? side of massive _ spending cuts? we are not on the side of massive public— spending cuts? we are not on the side of massive public spending i side of massive public spending cuts, we are on the side of cutting out incredible wasted public expenditure.— out incredible wasted public expenditure. right. but some things ou expenditure. right. but some things you don't want _ expenditure. right. but some things you don't want to spend _ expenditure. right. but some things you don't want to spend on, you - you don't want to spend on, you want to put tax relief of 20% on private education and private health care as well. that would create a two tire england wouldn't it. trio well. that would create a two tire england wouldn't it.— well. that would create a two tire england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs _ england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we _ england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we agree _ england wouldn't it. no the fact is that the nhs we agree should

taken together, every one of these seven pledges has either been banked by the obr or has no savingsat all. so whatever the conservatives pledge on welfare savings in their manifesto tomorrow , it will produce not tomorrow, it will produce not a single penny of new money relative to the last obr forecast and whatever desperate pledge they make. these are promises they cannot fund from savings. they cannot find the monies , simply not there. next monies, simply not there. next let me quickly turn to the tax avoidance savings because this is very straightforward. that's page five of your document. the tories have claimed they'll raise £6 billion by cracking down on tax avoidance. and they have made four pledges so far , have made four pledges so far, which they say will be wholly or partly funded from those savings. the national service scheme, the pensioner tax allowance, the extra funding for towns and the increased thresholds for the child benefit tax change rachel reeves tax avoidance plan. in their press nofice avoidance plan. in their press notice for the last two announcements to

flies in the face of his and rachel reeves lots of economic and fiscal policies where they want the obrctate every one of their spending plans. so if there's a where they're going to get the money to increase defence spending, well, they've also pledged to not increase tax rises and not to not to increase taxes and not go, crazy on spending splurges . spending splurges. >> where is it? they get the money from all the same source. private schools? >> no. yeah. >> no. yeah. >> all you ever hear? how are you going to pay for this? and they say, oh, they tax on private schools. so i don't know how far this tax on private schools is going to go, but it's going to pay for everything. >> yeah, precisely, tax on private schools. the non—dom loopholes or something. those things have been, giving and giving and giving. and it's incumbent on the conservative party to, point out that maybe this isn't very plausible. >> although stella saying that they're going to increase spending when the economic opportunity arises or the conditions are right, what if those economic conditions never anse? those e

doing is reforming the gateway into benefits , which we know from benefits, which we know from what the obrlls us. for example, with the work capability assessments, changes that we're making , that that that we're making, that that will mean 440,000 fewer people on those long term benefits going forward . going forward. >> meanwhile, labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons with a plan to add 14,000 new places. it would seize some prisons classified as sites of national importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. the government previously promised to deliver 20,000 new prison places by mid 2020. just 6000 have been created so far. labour leader sir keir starmer says the problem in prisons is getting worse . woi'se. >> worse. >> well, i am critical of the tories early release scheme because what's happened is that they're releasing early prisoners who should still be in prisoners who should still be in prison , and that's a shocking pri

camilla, of course, what we're doing is reforming the gateway into benefits, which we know from what the obrtells us, for example, with the work capability assessments changes that we're making, that that will mean 440,000 fewer people on those long term benefits going forward . going forward. >> meanwhile, labour is pledging to alleviate some of the pressure on overcrowded prisons with a plan to add 14,000 new places. it would see some prisons classified as sites of national importance, so ministers can take control of planning decisions . it comes planning decisions. it comes after some inmates were released early due to severe overcrowding across the prison system. the government previously promised to deliver 20,000 new prison places by the mid 2020s. just 6000 have been created so far. shadow attorney general emily thornberry told gb news that the problem is getting worse. >> there seem to be two places that have been identified for two prisons, and the money has been allocated , and yet they been allocated, and yet they haven't spent it. we know that there is an absolute crisis in our

this is actually the obr have said this.o be higher than it was immediately after world war two. right. that's pretty shocking. that's an extraordinary size sum of money that's been dragged out extracted from the british taxpayer. >> well i mean we've got to see that from the conservatives. the conservatives got us here. i know we have had some circumstances, like a pandemic, which is very unusual. circumstances, like a pandemic, which is very unusual . and war which is very unusual. and war has been a very unstable time . has been a very unstable time. but that was that burden has been created under the conservative government. >> it has. but the labour party's challenge is to turn around to people and say, look, despite this massive tax burden, your public services will get better because everyone's modus operandi right now is to say, actually , i'm disillusioned with actually, i'm disillusioned with the whole lot of them because nothing in britain is working, right. i don't think despite the polling , i right. i don't thi

he had his people saying that the obr had financed, checked his proposals this morning.h. that's just another lie. it's very difficult. we are living in an age where people can't trust politicians and they can't believe them. and that, i think, is extremely damaging for democracy. it would be in everyone's interest to pull back from these spurious stories about tax, which are just damaging everyone. >> so where do you think this lack of trust has come from then ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think it's 7 >> well, i think it's a mixture of the behaviour of political parties over a period of time , parties over a period of time, andifs parties over a period of time, and it's also a feature of social media, where anything can be said and is given the same equivalence as already checked facts. >> i mean , so i'm just sitting >> i mean, so i'm just sitting there and i know my audience will be sitting there because many of them won't know how to vote, or if even actually to vote, or if even actually to vote at all. there'll be many people saying, actually, do you know w

have already laid out under existing fiscal plans that the conservative government had brought in the obris going to go that the tax burden is going to 9° up that the tax burden is going to go up to an 80 year high by the end of the decade. another percentage point on gdp. so the great irony is that the reason why labour are going to have these additional resources is additional revenue to spend on their priorities is precisely because of conservative tax plans , which, you know, plans, which, you know, obviously we oppose. >> it's interesting, though, we've talked a lot about this, this triple lock plus idea , the this triple lock plus idea, the idea that thresholds will be raised for those in retirement under the conservatives. that's created clear blue water between the two parties. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it has in clear blue water that i'd argue is probably inappropriately created. i think we need to prioritise people who are in work, people who are actually generating economic growth. i mean, if you look at, let's say, the 40% tax threshold, it's barely budged since the conservatives c

and then its mini recession and with a treasury and now an obr that have dreadful forecasts and recommend produces very bad answers. i'm very impatient with it and i want to use my freedom to get over that . there are better over that. there are better ways, and it's very urgent for this country . ways, and it's very urgent for this country. has major reform of its economic policy in the handung of its economic policy in the handling of its bank of england. >> that's right. and, sirjohn, >> that's right. and, sir john, you have a very good blog in which you lay out this, this, this stuff in intemperate and angry terms, and some would say, rightly so. i think. how do you feel about your leader, rishi sunak? i feel a bit sorry for people like yourself. you're given two days notice to wrap up your stuff and shake hands with the speaker in the commons, then you're out the door and others like , you know, i'm thinking of like, you know, i'm thinking of tories mainly like sir bill cash . maybe theresa may of many decades service were given virtually no warning of the end of their parliamentary

have already laid out under existing fiscal plans that the conservative government had brought in the obring to go that the tax burden is going to 9° up that the tax burden is going to go up to an 80 year high by the end of the decade. another percentage point on gdp. so the great irony is that the reason why labour are going to have these additional resources is additional revenue to spend on their priorities is precisely because of conservative tax plans , which, you know, plans, which, you know, obviously we oppose. >> it's interesting, though, we've talked a lot about this, this triple lock plus idea , the this triple lock plus idea, the idea that thresholds will be raised for those in retirement under the conservatives. that's created clear blue water between the two parties. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it has in clear blue water that i'd argue is probably inappropriately created. i think we need to prioritise people who are in work, people who are actually generating economic growth. i mean, if you look at, let's say, the 40% tax threshold, it's barely budged since the conservatives came t

and then its mini recession and with a treasury and now an obr that have dreadful forecasts and recommendproduces very bad answers. i'm very impatient with it and i want to use my freedom to get over that . there are better over that. there are better ways, and it's very urgent for this country . ways, and it's very urgent for this country. has major reform of its economic policy in the handung of its economic policy in the handling of its bank of england. >> that's right. and, sirjohn, >> that's right. and, sir john, you have a very good blog in which you lay out this, this, this stuff in intemperate and angry terms, and some would say, rightly so. i think. how do you feel about your leader, rishi sunak? i feel a bit sorry for people like yourself. you're given two days notice to wrap up your stuff and shake hands with the speaker in the commons, then you're out the door and others like , you know, i'm thinking of like, you know, i'm thinking of tories mainly like sir bill cash . maybe theresa may of many decades service were given virtually no warning of the end of their parliamentary c

that is over 15 - years, and that hasn't happened yet according to the obr. brexit? i party is a pro-brexit party, of brexit? , ., , party is a pro-brexit party, of brexit? , . , . ., party is a pro-brexit party, of brexit? , ., , . ., ., brexit? i sit here as the chair of the labour— brexit? i sit here as the chair of the labour movement - brexit? i sit here as the chair of the labour movement for- brexit? i sit here as the chair of. the labour movement for europe brexit? i sit here as the chair of- the labour movement for europe and i think we don't know what the single market look like. europe is cutting a review of the single market because it doesn't work for them. we have to talk what we see in front of us and what is in front of us, what we can do now. i am worried about the british businesses who don't have time for treaty negotiations. we are champing at the pan—european mediterranean convention, a series of clues about rules of origin. you are talking about manufacturing, that would make a big difference to those creating goods to import and export

i mean, legally , legally, the government legally, legally, the government didn't need to go for an obrew when they did. well, quite , view when they did. well, quite, shall we turn to the labour party though? because today they're focusing on energy security and making britain less dependent on what it calls rogue states to provide energy resources. i presume by rogue states, it means the united states of america, from whom we get a lot of, a lot of natural gas, perhaps even norway or ourselves, who we also get lots of fossil fuels out of the north sea from. but shall we talk to sarah jones, shadow for minister industry and decarbonisation, because sarah, it's fair to say it's not just rogue states that provide fossil fuels, is it ? provide fossil fuels, is it? >> of course not. you're absolutely right. but look, we have an international, price setting system. so what happens when we had , for example, the when we had, for example, the invasion of ukraine? everybody came out of russia in terms of getting energy from russia. and what happened is that made the pnces what happened is that

they're much heralded one single penny of new money relative to the obr forecast .as less than two years ago that the conservatives set out tens of billion pounds of unfunded commitments . they of unfunded commitments. they crashed the economy, set mortgage rates spiralling and put pensions in peril . in the put pensions in peril. in the end, you got the mortgage increase, but you didn't get the tax cut. and that is exactly what you'll get all over again. don't judge 14 years on 49 days, says rishi sunak. and they should be judged on the whole of their 14 year record . but the their 14 year record. but the damage done in those 49 days will last for years . last year, will last for years. last year, 6.4 million people across england and wales saw their rent increase or had to remortgage. a further 1.5 million households have either remortgaged this year or will do so in the second half of this year, paying on average an additional two mortgage payments every single month. and this manifesto is final confirmation, if any were needed, that they have not learned their l

they're called obr forecasts. they're called obr forecasts. they can look at them. right. doing is secretly planning a number of tax rises, which they have not got a mandate for, and that is outrageous. and we are not going to let them get away with it. >> so laura trott there with her message . she said at one point message. she said at one point there, if you think labour are going to win , start saving going to win, start saving because they clearly think that there are opportunities here to raise taxes from us all. if they win power , many think they might win power, many think they might try and lift cgt capital gains tax to 40% and equalise income and wealth taxation. my point to them, though, was the tory party also raised taxes a lot in the last five years because of those big black swan events. as we call them, the war in ukraine. the energy shock coming from that and the covid 19 pandemic. so aren't labour allowed to leave themselves open for some room for some increases? but she wasn't having having any of it. >> yeah. it's absolutely fascinating that the labour

so if the obr come out and say it doesn't raise the money, surely they should reverse it .oney, that's the whole point of it . and also, if whole point of it. and also, if you're going to levy the vat, you're going to levy the vat, you could have done it on new people who've never been to those schools starting or or did it in a sort of instalment ii type thing or somehow stagger, stagger, stagger it a little bit because otherwise it is directly affecting the schools. julie. it's directly affecting the children. if it's a sudden thing, a sudden 20% on, there is a lot to bear for the parent. is it not? >> truly it is, it is. and going back to the broader , broader back to the broader, broader shoulders. the broader shoulders are people who own you know, companies turning over several millions and billions, not the average everyday person who just happens to have, have, have saved some money or earned a bit more to choose where to spend their money. and it's not like, and you jo cox at me when i said taxing ferrari's, what i'm saying is it's not a frivolous outgoing to centra

and the obr, who are saying if it doesn't bring in the right amount of money, they should scrap it alsoillegal. no, no, no i'm asking john. no it might. yes that's true. thank you for that. >> the key fundamental thing is that the education system needs to change in this country. right. we'd all agree and that needs to change. so labour have put something in place and i don't think that it's even anything that's that bad to say that you know what you're paying for a service. you should pay taxes. just the fundamental let's just take a step back and look at the fundamentals of it. right. why should people who are sending their kids to private school get any type of privilege , more privilege than other services that you pay for? it's not a charity . it's not not a charity. it's not something that some of them are actually. >> and a lot of them do a lot for the community. is joanna right though? is she right? >> no, i think this one really does my head in about the labor party. it seems a really counterproductive thing to do for multiple reasons. and the two main reasons for me is , two m

. >> you've got the obr saying it's 1.4 >> you've got the obr saying it's1.4 billion, you've got thest, saying it's 3 trillion, sorry, those are trillion numbers. the numbers are so big. 1.2 trillion, 1.4 trillion. >> the national grid says it's trillion. >> impossible to work out what that means. >> 3 trillion i mean, is it 100,000 per household? no one talked about this spending the cost to get there. >> apparently it's going to save the planet and therefore the cost is irrelevant . really, this cost is irrelevant. really, this is real money. this is real cash. >> and it's all of our cash. and apparently it's going to be good for the environment. >> well , where for the environment. >> well, where i'm campaigning to be elected, one of the big debates is the implications , the debates is the implications, the consequences, which is happening now all over the country of this drive towards offshore renewable energy. but you've got to transmit that electricity. >> how are we going to transmit it? >> oh, i know big 50 metre pylons going hundreds of miles across the english countryside.

doing is reforming the gateway into benefits , which we know from benefits, which we know from what the obr, with the work capability assessments, changes that we're making , that that that we're making, that that will mean 440,000 fewer people on those long term benefits going forward . going forward. >> okay. on d—day, does the prime minister still expect 18 year olds to do national service when he can't even stay to the end of a service ? end of a service? >> well, clearly, the prime minister accepts that he made a mistake in not attending the international element of those commemorations. he was there, incidentally, at portsmouth, and he did attend all the british led events in normandy. but he absolutely recognises that he made a mistake to have left . made a mistake to have left. when he did, he's issued an unequivocal apology. he uses the words i am sorry , and knowing words i am sorry, and knowing him as i do, i think he will be feeling this very deeply because he's a deeply patriotic man and we, in terms of supporting veterans, are obviously around the cabinet table. we have a dedi

because even the obr are looking at this policy and saying it may not raise the money.he unions who are traditionally labour based or supporters are looking at this and are concerned about it . it. >> so i think it's very important to recognise that private schools are businesses and they need to, you know, make sure that they're not pricing themselves out of the market and themselves out of the market and the ability for parents to pay. and i think that means making potentially some decisions about how they spend, the money and their income. and it may be that they need to absorb some of this cost, you know, in terms of vat and can, can, you know, cut their cloth accordingly, which is what many state schools have had to do for many years. and the gap in funding for a child attending state school, as opposed to a child attending a private school, has grown significantly because of these above inflation rises that we've seen for parents, and obviously that their decisions that private schools will have to make in terms of the assessment, i think the institute for fiscal

really, is it purely through a narrow economic lens when we look at, say, forecasts involving the obris it about other things, for instance, such as the wider context about public services? and obviously we have a planning crisis in this country sort of the flip side of that, that line that nigel was just saying there about one home every two minutes, the fact we're not building enough houses regardless, the key thing, of course, is you've got very simple equation. if you've got 685,000 people arriving in one year legally, and you've only building 220,000 homes a year, you're not going to have enough space for all those people. so it's a much bigger issue. and i think whichever government gets in, we need to make it the focus of the five year plan. if they actually really want to get this immigration down and solve this issue once and for all. >> but the truth starmer is talking tosh when he says that he's going to train more brits to do jobs. >> we have nearly 3 million people on sickness benefits in this country, and we have more than 8 million people who are not working, who are no

look at keir starmer's plan on private schools and asking whether it's starting to unravel, as the obr then they will put taxpayer, then they will put paid to those plans. so it is kind of interesting to see how that will transpire. i've also got a mystery guest. i can't give you too many clues. we will reveal those throughout the show , and we'll be going live to the us to have a chat with paul duddridge, to get an update with the latest on trump. so that's all coming up. >> brilliant. sounds a good show. and some of those tiktok videos, i have to say, while i'm slightly a bit weirded out by the fact that the politicians are using tiktok, some of them are using tiktok, some of them are very funny. so don't miss out on a show that's going to be a smashing one, right? thank you very much, nana. now remember, let us know all your thoughts on the stories we're talking about today by visiting gbnews.com. forward slash your say and join the conversation or message me on our socials. we're @gbnews which is a bit i can remember now. there's lots more coming up on today's show, so stay tuned .

we looked at the pledges they made and we assessed what that would mean on top of the obr assumption.onal commitments we have seen that the manifestos apply increases of 1.5% each year for the that the manifestos apply increases of 1.5% each yearfor the lib dems, 0.9% for the conservatives and 1.1% from labour will stop not a big difference between the three of them. and as you mention, it would be an unprecedented slowdown for the nhs. in practical measures what would it mean? just nhs. in practical measures what would it mean?— would it mean? just to put it in context, would it mean? just to put it in context. it _ would it mean? just to put it in context, it also _ would it mean? just to put it in context, it also follows - would it mean? just to put it in context, it also follows three i would it mean? just to put it in - context, it also follows three years in which the nhs has had next to flat increases in its funding. so looking over a six—year period from 22-23, all looking over a six—year period from 22—23, all of these spending proposals look like they would be tighter budge

yeah, her emergency budget and the fact she didn't run it by the obr.ty got rid of her and then brought in rishi sunak. and i just think there's a, there is this sort of there's a, there is this sort of the uprising or the reckoning that we may see against the conservative party is not just about, you know, farage, nigel farage. and we'll talk about the poll in a second, has managed to galvanise that about reform uk. but i also think there's a lot of mps and i was getting this from a couple of red bull and tory red wall mps a couple of weeks ago, are picking up this fact that people feel let down, they feel betrayed by the conservative party, they feel betrayed that actually, after three years of prevarication about what brexit was, what brexit was going to happen, bofis brexit was going to happen, boris actually came in and managed to galvanise the party. i make no argument about whether brexit was the right thing to do or not, but he managed to galvanise the party, galvanise the country , get brexit quote the country, get brexit quote unquote done. oka

the welfare spend, that will continue in the obr forecast... let me finish. from reforming the welfare system and getting people back into work. the labour manifesto has nothing in terms of welfare reform, yet it allows the welfare bill to continue to increase... that was not what the chancellorjeremy hunt was talking about. there have been multiple times that we have looked at how we can reform the welfare system. the spring budget in 2023, that was part of it. we have now gone further because we don't think you can grow the economy, get the productivity of this country to a level of prosperity that people out there will be listening to and wanting for their children, unless we reform the welfare system. the really important point is and perhaps darren can tell us exactly how many pounds is it that a labour government would seek to reduce the welfare bill by? there is a real choice at this election. reform the welfare system and reinvest that back into tax cuts on working people and in national insurance reduction, or no welfare reform and tax increases, som

realise how bad things were because he says that, you know, the information is all out there from the obrd. katherine forster our political correspondent there live from the labour battle bus with all that merry news of taxes and taxes and taxes, i start to wonder, actually, if this much maligned figure of £2,000 per household that the tories keep on saying, if actually that'il pale in comparison to what reality we get an understatement. who knows? who knows? i guess we may or may not find out. knows? who knows? i guess we may or may not find out . anyway, or may not find out. anyway, coming up, we have an important update on the death of doctor michael mosley. don't go anywhere. we'll be back in a tick. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 1:27, and we can bring you now some breaking news on the post mortem into the death of tv doctor michael mosley . doctor michael mosley. >> yes. joining us now is gb news reporter charlie peters . news reporter charlie peters. charlie, what update do you have for us? >> well, we're hearing reports now from the island that the initial review from the corone

, the tory manifesto pledge to reform disability benefit, and it is true they are protected by the obrnt is keeping 100,000 children out of poverty already using our own resources and the tax changes we have made. we need a uk government which will assist us in our bid to eradicate child poverty, not prolong it, and if the labour party remains committed to the two child limit that will prolong child poverty in our society. i call on the labour party to realise the folly of that position and to accept the two child limit has got to go. you have spent a lot of time i criticising austerity and brexit and the cost of living, _ blaming this all on westminster, but what are you going to do - as the snp leader and first minister to alleviate these issues? we have taken some hard decisions as the scottish government. we have increased tax on higher earners to invest more in the national health service to deal with the austerity from westminster, and to keep 100,000 children out of poverty by introducing the scottish child payment. so we have used the powers we have got to expand the resources

. >> well, the obr are actually looking at this and questioning it and saying that if it doesn't raiseat they scrap it because the objective, even though the objective seems to be getting lost with the objective, was to raise money, not to look at the private school people and say, oh, well, it's all right for them. they're not the politics of envy, but that what i'm hearing a lot is a politics of envy. rather than focusing on the mission, which was money. and if it doesn't raise the money, then, you know, then it should be scrapped. but also the unions, briefly. the mission. let me finish. sorry i'm speaking. and also the unions, the unions are now are talking about it because a lot of teachers may potentially lose their jobs as these schools close as well. >> yes, i know the mission should be better. education for the state system. it's up to the private system, what they do, the state education should be enhanced and that should be the mission , not raising money. mission, not raising money. >> it's a different the mission should be just a system where nobody has to go or needs to g

but if you look at the baked in numbers, the obr numbers, actually what labour are saying, what they'rehey'll take us to the highest, tax burden in our history, high since 1948, when records first began. but it's what they're not telling us about that is worrying. it is those inheritance tax. increases. it is capital gains tax where they've been talking, about possibly aligning that with income tax rates that would be a huge increase in taxation for millions of people. they've got to be straight with us. they've got to tell us where are these taxes going to fall? >> yes. but i suppose my question is why is your message not cutting through? and, you know, george osborne yesterday was saying that rishi sunak is actually just fighting completely the wrong fight by going after reform voters. nigel farage is predicting that next week reform will overtake conservatives in the polls. so, you know, which direction do you think that sunak should be taking because it's not working at the moment, is it? >> i think it's really important, as i say, that we keep to keep pressing the fact that this is

the office for budget responsibility, saying yes, it's it hasn't come down, but the obr says we're hittinge key pledges . his says we're hitting those key pledges. his wish, it didn't make any sense to me . no, i make any sense to me. no, i couldn't make sense of that. i think it's very, very telling isn't it? >> the audience reaction as well? laughter throughout those answers. meanwhile, sir keir starmer reminded everyone that his dad was a toolmaker. >> would you personally be happy to pay more tax? >> yes, of course . okay, i've >> yes, of course. okay, i've i've always paid my tax in full, but you know, and i accept i earn a lot of money in the job i am now in. but when i grew up, my dad was a toolmaker. he worked in a factory. it's true. my worked in a factory. it's true. my mum was a nurse, and actually, we couldn't make ends meet, which actually isn't a laughing matter. we could taking the audience to task there. >> wasn't he really for laughing at that answer? >> yeah, but do you know. and it's a it's a valid point to say you come from a working background like that. it's perfectly