oleksandr pavrichenko joins us, he is the executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, congratulations, congratulations, i don't know if you watched the story that we just showed our viewers, but in any case, there is a huge problem: russia is doing what it wants to do and with military, and with civilians, and in the occupied territories and in poland. actually, ukraine claims about 14,000 cases of torture in russian captivity. all interviewed after release from captivity declared torture, it is reported. the united nations, let's try to outline first the scale of this torture, the nature of this torture, and again, is there anything different when we talk about military prisoners, when we talk about civilians, again in captivity or in occupied territories , so look, it's really a question of application in what is called torture or torture, because the terminology is different, but essentially... it's the same phenomenon legally defined in terms of of the european convention on human rights is torture, torture is a un term that is used, but it does not affect