on the one hand, he is a volunteer in the unr army in petlyurivets, and on the other hand, he is a manlorifies the january uprising at the arsenal plant. from one on the one hand, he is a ukrainian and it can be seen in his films, on the other hand, he is a person who admires and perhaps even befriends joseph stalin, at least he considers stalin his savior. that's about these paradoxes, about this disconnection eternal dovzhenka, today we will talk with my guest olena honcharuk, head of dovzhenka center. greetings olena, thank you for coming to talk. thanks, you know. the topic, it seems to me, is very, very important, because it seems to me that we have never developed the language of such an honest narrative, as it is with regard to dovzhenko. recently, together with pen, we visited dovzhenko's homeland in the village of sosnytsia in chernihiv oblast, we were in his house and the museum staff told us, of course, a short story of his life, and that's what i notice, and it’s... this, to put it briefly: dovzhenko was born, there was such a family, 14 children, two children survived, the