polly williams was very influential. other black leaders were also in support and that had a of sort of grassroots support from black families but cleveland didn't and i thought that was interesting because a lot of black legislators in ohio actually were opposed. you know very much opposed to school vouchers and felt like this is going to bleed resources out of the school system. you know it's not going to help enough to make it meaningful while it actually pulls things out, a system that needs help and needs resources. and so i felt like, you know, i wanted to sort of make those different points that wasn't all one thing. it wasn't supported. but, you know, it wasn't this kind of monolithic thing. and it played out differently. different cities, you know, you saw that also in washington, d.c., when initially some of the black democratic lawmakers were opposed to school vouchers. and then i think because the city school system was not doing well, came around the issue, you know, and so just i tried to look for different