so raffael is directly owned by the uh government of the state of israel, so-called state of israel, and it has a subsidiary in this country called peerson engineering, which is based in newcastle uh, and it - if you look at its website and it's activities in the uk, it talks about all these weapons it makes and the uh missile defense systems, the drone systems, etc. etc. and so it's engaged in producing the means to kill palestinians essentially uh, in newcastle, and uh, it should be, you should be shut down as a as i should all these israely armsfs? yeah, no, indeed. well, ian, um, what's your opinion of of john hutton's record then as as a minister? afternoon, chris, i mean, obviously, um, his record obviously was very much a blayer loyalist, uh, he was put in positions uh, where he could obviously influence policy in the direction um of the government, and it seems that when he stopped being... uh inside the labour party is is taken up role uh for the conservative government too in directing uh britain's involvement um and contributions to to people's ward efforts around the worl