of science and technology and is the director of the charles babbage institute for computing information and culture at the university of that is the premier site in the united states, if not the for documentation about the development of information technologies computers. he is published seven books, most recently a coauthored wonderful textbook called computer a history of the information machine and a crucial book in the labor history of computing called making it work. he co-edited a book series called computing culture for john hopkins university press, and it's a journal called interfaces, which i highly recommend too, and founded the blockchain society blog. secondly, our second historian and again, we're enormously lucky to have both of these historians of computing is janet abertay, a professor science, technology and society at virginia tech. she wrote to transformative volumes one inventing the internet, which really was the first scholarly attempt to understand how it is that the internet came to be, how it emerged differently than. many of its progenitors imagined. for good