as we heard from richard kemp.coming election, it's worth briefly point. briefly dwelling on that point. >> chris, because you asked >> um, chris, because you asked richard kemp, i asked he richard kemp, i asked him, he made claim that made the astonishing claim that hamas will be watching this debate with glee because western liberal democracies are acting , liberal democracies are acting, calling for a ceasefire, which would benefit somebody on earth no more than hamas terrorists . no more than hamas terrorists. >> hamas, of course, still holding some israeli hostages. and why i think the uk and that's why i think the uk government is following in behind israel, saying we can't have ceasefire all have a ceasefire till all hostages and hostages are back where they need to be in israel, and that's the point. but yeah, i there's i mean, no question, there's richard says he thinks richard kemp says he thinks hamas gold . take succour hamas is all gold. take succour from it. would argue that we hamas is all gold. take