and it cites a book by richard morris. richard morris. and there are seven founders. there's let's see if i remember now john adams, alexander hamilton. benjamin franklin, thomas jefferson george washington. james madison. and richard morris was also from new york city and taught at columbia. so john jay, one of these is not like the others. sorry, any new yorkers out there, but then it went on and it's very long. wikipedia entry that went on to talking about the other founders. it talked about women founders. it talked about founders from europe who contributed to the founding of the country during the revolution. and so i wanted to ask you all, in the spirit of denver's comment, and then that's who were some of the other founders? and what makes somebody a founder? i leave it open to whoever wants to take that one first and we're going to be professor in calling somebody. deborah, i see you first. yeah. so i'll just i'll just i'll share one person who we don't always include who who i really admire. and that's marcia otis warren, who's propaganda during the american