francine: coming up, robin groupon adapting to change in an uncertain future. robin: i'm not good at predicting what the next you're the next five years is going to be. what we need to do is to be flexible, to understand the dynamic, to think about the impact of markets and changes. francine: from renewed geopolitical risks to climate change, new era for interest rate and a different working reality, the world of finance is also adapting to change. i continue the conversation with man group chief executive robin grew. do you worry about what the future economic footprint look like the road? robin: our job is to say how do we think about what could happen, how do you stress your portfolio, how do you think about what your outcomes are today? people join their pensions today vs. drawing their pensions 50 years or not? man group is 240 years old. we match the duration of some of our clients who are thinking about just returned year from now, but i trying to think about what they are planning for 30 years from now. we are not good at predicting. i'm not good at pre