i think he saw in rudy some of what more of us began to see over time, that rudy had those qualities. - they should be followed. they must be followed. - he's the mayor of new york city, america's mayor. - quiet. quiet! - he blames it on me. he blames it on you. david dinkins! [cheering] - throw him out of office. get somebody else. - who demonstrate some irresponsibility on his behalf. [dramatic music] - the high power, high profile addition to the president's legal team, rudy giuliani. - anyone can become an influencer. - throw him out. - just sort of a mini cult leader in their own right. - the corruption in the ukraine... - there's an effort by rudy to get information about evidence that hunter biden was on the take, and that joe biden was getting money from ukraine. - he sounded like a mobster. - when people say there is no mafia, i mean, i know from my history that there is such a thing, and i know what it does and what it can do. - he's--he is a-- he is a warrior. - ♪ i saw god out on the block today ♪ ♪ he was darker than the preachers say ♪ ♪ with a teardrop tattooed on his f

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rudy stood with that.ty police department. - you're walking down the street, unmarked car pulls out. a bunch of guys with guns jump out. they're not identifying themselves necessarily as cops, and they swarm on some guy on the sidewalk. it was a disaster waiting to happen, and the disaster happened. - dorismond was shot by undercover detectives who were looking to bust drug dealers on 8th avenue. they asked dorismond where they could buy drugs. the gun of detective anthony vasquez went off in the struggle. - rudy giuliani, to me, is and was a thug. patrick dorismond, you know, the way he was killed by giuliani's gang. amadou diallo, somebody who was killed by rudy giuliani's gang. that was rudy giuliani's new york. - nobody is profiling anyone by race. there is profiling that is going on based upon criminality. - the worst official reaction was to patrick dorismond, who ended up being shot dead by undercover agents because he refused to buy drugs from them. and giuliani actually leaked his sealed record of

people forget that donald trump was a new yorker, under rudy giuliani, and saw what rudy giuliani didt, "nigger." - and was elected for it. he saw this. - his campaign is falling apart. questions are being raised about him that are gonna require criminal investigation. - fast-forward now. here's donald trump. he's coming behind barack obama. the first black president, like rudy dealt with the first black mayor. - what i did for new york donald trump will do for america. - "i'm gonna save you from them." it was a national version of rudy's 1993 campaign. - as mayor, i will lead the battle to take our streets back. - i want to build the wall. we need the wall. - to take our parks back and to take our subways back. - they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. - from the violent criminals on the streets-- - we have some bad hombres here, and we're gonna get 'em out. all: dinkins must go. dinkins must go. dinkins must go. build that wall. build that wall. build that wall. - i think trump was the perfect candidate for the media. he's a celebrity. media loves celebritie

- rudy! - rudy, we love you! - rudy! rudy! - he's back!mittee made up mostly of proven liars. - all the time. - don't you care about our country? that flag right there means democracy! democracy is what it means! you fascist! go to hell! you traitor! - the protesters and those who have adulation, i think the thing that you realize is the person that they're looking up to or protesting is just a man also. - andrew giuliani is the guy to vote for if you wanna see the kind of changes that donald trump brought about for the country, that i brought about for the city of new york, and that ronald reagan, who was my boss, brought about for the country... like it used to be. i remember, 'cause i was part of that. [jazzy music] - rudy was very clear that he was a throwback. the old ways of doing things were okay with him. and he was unapologetic about it, which is, of course, part of that whole style, is that this is the way it is, and this is the way it's supposed to be--that's rudy. ♪ - taxi! - so it's this sepia toned 1950s working-class neighbo

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rudy is a and a possible client and so is trump. we are only as good as our client. >> when you watch this, having worked for him, and having known the man that "time" magazine put on the cover as person of the year or 2001 because of his, and let's give him his due, his performance after the 911 attacks was rather reassuring to a nation that was terrified and for a lot of younger people watching now it would be hard to imagine that batman villain as a story figure but he really was at a time when the nation suffered a terrorist attack. president bush was being whizzed around on air force one for his own protection was i giving reassurance that the nation needed, and rudy giuliani rhetorically, and how he behaved that day, provided some comfort to a nation that was scared. it is really hard to swear that guy with the one we have seen over the last few years especially just now, live on cnn. >> it is impossible to reconcile the two people. that is why we made the documentary because the vast difference of his personality from the '90

sort of sad for rudy because of how hard he fell. but also disgusting that there is a machine works of people behind them that cheer on these kinds of attacks. i just don't understand what's happened to humanity, particularly for those who claim to be small government republicans. it still blows me away. >> yeah, i mean, these women were too scared to give 911 operators their phone numbers because of the threats they were getting. and those threats amplified when donald trump called brad raffensperger, the georgia secretary of state. he invoked ruby freeman by name. i just want to remind people what he said during that call. >> we're so far ahead of these numbers. even the phony ballots of ruby freeman, known scammer. you know the internet. you know what was trending on the internet? where's ruby? because they thought she'd be in jail. where's ruby? it's crazy. it's crazy. that was -- the minimum number is 18,000 for ruby. but they think it's probably about 56,000. but the minimum number is 18,000 under ruby freeman, where she ran ba

like rudy giuliani. but has everyone ever blown themselves up more for donald trump than giuliani has? >> no. i'm still amazed at how he has gone from america's mayor, you know this guy that probably in any other world where he hadn't gotten tangled up with donald trump after he passed, he would have an elementary school named after him in every town to have completely destroyed his life for what? for temporary fame? he was already famous. for proximity to power? he could have met with any president he wanted to. before he became what he did. but there is just something extremely broken. and there is something broken with this idea that you pick two innocent people. rudy giuliani is a powerful man. donald trump obviously a powerful man. you find two innocent people, and you punch down. you destroy their lives. you break them. and then you dare to take the name of god and pretend like you are somehow some kind of a messenger from the lord? while you are destroying innocent people's lives? it makes me angr

rudy giuliani cannot pay that. 's legal troubles are well documented and he can pay his own attorney. but what he said at the in and the number they got today that she will never get her home that she lived in befor e that was seeking out these two women and accusing them of passing drugs and someone based on the poll numbers will be competitive for president and i think that is what strikes at the heart of this when you will be talking about what she can't get back and the amount of damages awarded by jury. >> it is remarkable that even though, rudy giuliani has been ordered to pay $148 million here, as you know he doesn't have that much money although he does have some properties, who knows what he will have to turn over. even though murdoch and his court had to pay more than five times that, to dominion voting and there are still other defamation lawsuits out there against the various liars of the election. both vaux and rudy giuliani remains loyal to the individual whose life has cost them tens, hundreds of mil

rudy giuliani's comments were described as racist.hink it's important to unpack that piece of the story. >> it was clear from the allegations he made, they all played into that you would have a prejudged disposition that these black women would do these things, involving things that are stereotyped in a negative context to blacks. . as i sit here, i think about when rudy giuliani was mayor, and we used to have to fight with him as mayo. on many incident, he would not meet with black elected leaders. i remember a case, with a young african who was killed, shot by police 19 times, 41 bullets, giuliani wouldn't even meet with the elected representatives to talk about, how can you shoot an unarmed man like this? so he played the race card in the whole mayor race. the irony is, tonight, two black women he stereo typed turned it around. you can call did karma. i can call it god. james brown, his favorite script tour was 37 psalms. threat not thyself, neither be envious against the workers of iniquity, because they will soon be cut down. it

the case is now in the penalty phase, where a jury will decide how much rudy has to pay although rudyadicting the judge in the case and claiming he's actually innocent >> lawyers are questioning witnesses right now in the second day of rudy giuliani's defamation trial the judge has already found him libel for defaming two former georgia election workers and falsely claiming they committed fraud in the 2020 election now, a jury will determine just how much giuliani has to pay up. but outside court yesterday, giuliani insisted he has no regrets. >> whatever happened to them, which is -- it's unfortunate for other people to overreact, but everything i said about them is true >> do you regret what you did -- >> of course i don't regret it i told the truth >> seth: by the way, if you heard that alarm ringing in the background, that's because rudy just walked out of sears with the security tag still attached to his suit. [ laughter ] after rudy made those comments, the judge overseeing the case chewed out rudy and his lawyer in court the judge scolded giuliani for his comments outside the c

the case is now in the penalty phase, where a jury will decide how much rudy has to pay although rudyontradicting the judge in the case and claiming he's actually innocent >> lawyers are questioning witnesses right now in the second day of rudy giuliani's defamation trial the judge has already found him libel for defaming two former georgia election workers and falsely claiming they committed fraud in the 2020 election now, a jury will determine just how much giuliani has to pay up. but outside court yesterday, giuliani insisted he has no regrets. >> whatever happened to them, which is -- it's unfortunate for people to overreact, but everything i said about them is true >> do you regret what you did -- >> of course i don't regret it i told the truth >> seth: by the way, if you heard that alarm ringing in the background, that's because rudy just walked out of a sears with the security tag still attached to his suit. [ laughter ] after rudy made those comments, the judge overseeing the case chewed out rudy and his lawyer in court the judge scolded giuliani for his comments outside the c

and rudy giuliani in this case. i have to say, there are a lot of people eager to hear rudy giuliani on the stand today because she such an interesting character. donald trump was supposed to testify on monday in his case but he decided not to. rudy giuliani was was to decide in his case, he decided not to neither of these guys lawyers can seem to control them anyway, but what do you make of it. i think this is one way where the lawyers have been able to control. they've been able to keep these clients who hurt themselves every time they open their mouths off of the witness stand. in julien's case, whether he continues to try to say he's not responsible for what happened and that he was telling the truth because he really believes that or because, frankly, he has some difficulty holding on to the truth, he is taking the witness stand would have only harmed himself, only have made it worth, worse and so the lawyers do the best thing they could do here by keeping him off. >> tim, let's talk about rudy giuliani and the

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rudy giuliani is a good man. i know some of you may not think that. asking you to be reasonable. and then he also asked jurors to remember giuliani's reputation from years gone by, mayor of new york city after 9/11, as a prosecutor who took down the mob. saying rudy giuliani shouldn't be defined by what's happened in recent times. this is a man who did great things. when it comes to the jury deciding the damages, does this have impact? should it have impact? >> no, kate. it's irrelevant, first of all, at best. the jury is not there passing judgment on whether rudy giuliani is or was a good human being, they're passing judgment on how much were ms. moss and ms. freeman damaged and how much does rudy giuliani need to be punished. the other thing is i think that argument actually cuts against rudy giuliani because you're reminding the jury this is a very powerful man, this is a person who knows better. this is a person -- >> yeah, he should know better. >> he was a very high-ranking prosecutor, he was the mayor and then he goes and does this. he is not a

so rudy giuliani claims he is real broke. and this defamation suit could cost him tens of millions more unless he is hiding a few more luxury new york city apartments he can sell, this is all likely to hurt him financially a lot. and despite these financial straights giuliani continues to open himself up to more potential defamation suits like the one on monday. giuliani is making the decision to gravely antagonize two women who could potentially be witnesses in jack smith's federal criminal election interference case against donald trump in which rudy giuliani is unindicted coconspiratorter number one. he is a lawyer, yes, but maybe not so much a legal scholar. joining me now is andrew wiseman, a senior member of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team and now co-host of indispensable podcast, prosecuting donald trump. that's how firmly i believe in the essentialness of your podcast. andrew, number one, in terms of rudy giuliani here, is it -- i mean how likely is it that ruby freeman and shaye moss are called as

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so this is not even bottom for rudy giuliani. but what a stunning, stunning fall this is for him. >> i want to bring in karen freedman, our legal analyst. giuliani said he had no connection to the avalanche of threats that shaye moss and ruby freeman actually faced. let's remember some of the racist and hateful lies he told. >> how can he say there's no fraud. look at that woman. look at them scurrying around with the ballots. nobody in the room. hiding around. they look like they're passing out dope, not just ballots. it's clear they're stealing votes. >> given the volume of evidence against giuliani right now, how do you think he will attempt his appeal to go forward? he says he wants his lawyers to appeal this case. >> well, let's remember in order to appeal this case, because it's civil, he will have to put a substantial sum of money into a bond. and so which means he has to put that money in the bank and that will have to be held in order for him to even get to an appeal. and usually it's the amount of the verdict, sometimes

. >>> a jury gives rudy giuliani 148 million reasons to regret his lies. that is tonight, on news night. >>> i'm abby philip, and washington, where today cameras captured what might be the final chapter in a truly american story. a jury, sentencing the man once known as america's mayor to what is, essentially, a financial death penalty. rudy giuliani, now on the hook for $148 million. $148 million for the harm he caused to two women. shame moss, and ruby freeman. moss and freeman are the georgia election workers whose lives were forever altered after giuliani made them the crux of a nonsense voter fraud conspiracy. now, the sheer size of this penalty is, really, stunning. 16 million for defaming freemen, 16 million for defaming moss. 40 million for emotional distress to both women, and 75 million in punitive damages. moments after following the verdict, the two women thanked the jury, but said that today's result does not atone for two years of turmoil. >> the flame that giuliani lit with those lies, and passed on to so many others to keep the flame blazin

your thoughts on the twilight of rudy giuliani? >> you know, i have always thought that one of the smallest type of person one can be is a bully. to use your power to punch down, and that's what he did with ruby freeman and shaye moss. he thought, and i think the rev just made this point, that he was more important, he was bigger. he could do whatever he wanted with their lives. these are people who are election workers. you know, people like this volunteer and go to work across the country every day to preserve our democracy. he had no respect. he had no respect as i noted earlier for the rule of law or for any facts. it was all whatever he could get away with because he was rudy giuliani. well, the fact that they brought down this bully is finally justice. >> it is indeed. and we're awaiting that verdict still. we'll look tomorrow. reverend sharpton, david corn, thank you. >>> up next on "the reidout," maga republicans joined forces with vladimir putin and his hungarian henchman viktor orban to boost movements around the world at

i don't know that rudy will ever come clean.o sane prosecutor would use rudy giuliani as a witness, put him on a stand, and rely on him. >> andrew kirtzman, elie honig, thank you both. >>> in washington today, you could smell the jet fumes as house lawmaker wrs leaving town before the long holiday recess. not before introducing an impeachment inquiry into president biden. >>> and a follow-up to our interview monday night with senator ron johnson. >> these folks did nothing different than what many democrats have done in many states. i'm not prepared to give you exact states, but it's happened repeatedly. just go check the books. >> which books? >>> this week house republicans formalized their impeachment inquiry into president biden, once again putting the country on a road that was once rarely travelled in our nation's history. but not anymore. this all comes as a gop investigation into hunter biden's business dealings has so far struggled to bear any evidence of wrong doing by his father, president biden. the president's son t

punitive damages with respect to rudy giuliani. but, the message is not just to rudy giuliani. it is a little bit like a dominion case which is that the message is to enablers of donald trump that if you engage in this conduct, this is what can happen. it is, that does not involve jail time. it is a question of there being some legal accountability and deterrence for engaging in this kind of activity. in terms of the criminal case, if i were jack smith or on his team, i would be looking to see how the ruby freeman and shaye moss do on the stand? you have some sense of that from their congressional testimony which you played. they, by all accounts, were victimized. that is something that i think, like any juror, like we are reacting to it saying that this is just completely senseless and it is like what mr. sperling said in the georgia case which is that this is the violence that is going to happen if donald trump and his enablers continue engaging in this kind of conduct. >> the jury that is going to be deciding on all of this is basically the washington, d. c.. there is a lot

. >> rudy giuliani, this fantasy rudy giuliani's going to be a cooperating witness against donald trump will not happen. because of rudy will ever come clean. i don't know if any sign portrait will use rudy giuliani, put him on a stand and rely on him. >> he has been trying to get donald trump to pay his legal bills unsuccessfully. thank you both. and washington today, you can smell that jet fumes as house lawmakers were leaving town for the long holiday recess. not before authorizing and impeachment inquiry into president biden. we'll speak with a member of the house oversight committee right after this. also speaking of evidence, a follow-up to our monday interview with senator ron johnson. >>> these folks did nothing different than what many democrats have done -- i can't give you the exact states, but it's happen repeatedly. it's happened repeatedly. just go check the books. >> which books? >>>Â this week, house republicans formalized their impeachment inquiry into president biden, once again putting the country on a road that was once rarely traveled in our nation's history. but no

punitive damages with respect to rudy giuliani. but, the message is not just to rudy giuliani. it is a little bit like a dominion case which is that the message is to enablers of donald trump that if you engage in this conduct, this is what can happen. it is, that does not involve jail time. it is a question of there being some legal accountability and deterrence for engaging in this kind of activity. in terms of the criminal case, if i were jack smith or on his team, i would be looking to see how the ruby freeman and shaye moss do on the stand? you have some sense of that from their congressional testimony which you played. they, by all accounts, were victimized. that is something that i think, like any juror, like we are reacting to it saying that this is just completely senseless and it is like what mr. sperling said in the georgia case which is that this is the violence that is going to happen if donald trump and his enablers continue engaging in this kind of conduct. >> the jury that is going to be deciding on all of this is basically the washington, d.c.. there is a lot o

so that's the $148.169 million at this moment, rudy giuliani owes $500,000 in unpaid taxes.n on his palm beach property he's selling his upper east side apartment. it's on the books -- it's on the market for $6 million but it hasn't been sold yet and his consulting firm defaulted on a debt for a phone bill >> seth: he defaulted on a phone bill he bounced a check for his neck removal surgery. he owes $1 million in unpaid parking tickets for parking his car inside the living room of his apartment. he missed a credit card payment for a locksmith he hired to get into his house which he locked himself out of and then a second locksmith he hired to get him out of his house he had locked himself into [ light laughter ] he also owes blockbuster multiple copies of himself "rudy" after returns the ones he rented with himself edited into the footage. ♪ >> america [ cheers and applause ♪ >> seth: "i think it's better now. [ laughter ] rudy also took to his own dumb internet show to insist he told the truth but got cranky one someone off camera tried to express their support for him. >>

i want to bring in rudy giuliani's spokesperson and adviser ted goodman. he was beside giuliani as he walked out court today. i'm curious because you have by his side throughout much of this. you were actually with him as they announced that figure that number and amount of damages. tell me what was the reaction in private? >> thank you for the opportunity laura. that's right i was by his side and every day of the week of course. the mayor remains confident of the beliefs what he knows to be true and who he is as a man the same man who took down the mafia. this is the same man who cleaned up the streets of new york city and lifted hundreds of thousands if not millions of new yorkers out of poverty. this is the same man who comforted not just the nation but the entire world, following the horrific attacks of september 11th. >> you know for the reasons you just stated that's why it was perhaps so shocking to people that he would be a defendant in a case this magnitude. it's not as if he's the average non-lit gallant somebody who is so familiar with what it t

-- rudy giuliani.generally we have seen a real _ this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real uptick— this? -- rudy giuliani. generally we have seen a real uptick in _ have seen a real uptick in defamation cases. i don't know what these statistics are, but they certainly, they have garnered a lot of attention in the press and from across the spectrum, people understanding their rights to bring these sorts of cases and are doing so and when appropriate. so we may see more in the future. in this particular case, giuliani and the statements by his co—conspirators including the former president regarding freeman and moss were part of this case and part of the story told in this programme last week. thank you for all of your insights there. formerfederal prosecutor there. the affects of air pollution on hearts and lungs are well documented, but there's now growing evidence that different pollutants also affect our brains. fossil fuels, cigarette smoke, and wildfire smoke are the primary contributor

rudy and others. there are also individual plaintiffs, shareholder lawsuits, already, we have seen trumps allies have to pay more than $1 billion if you count today's judgment that rudy can not afford. over $1 billion in fees and fines and settlements related to the big lie of 2020. you have an incredible track record produced here and we are only here and the criminal cases another. does it effect those out there pedaling? i think some cases yes around the margins. if trump loses the election they will be careful the way they smear some. they might not use companies names out loud, but this playbook of still denying reality it will continue, right, it is not just political it is psychological. it is about people's psychological needs. today's verdict, ruling, it was a plea of civility and sanity. there is a majority in this country that don't want to put up with it anymore. does not want to be lied to. when there is a chance to speak out, they send a message saying let's make the liars pay. >> i noti

>> this is what rudy giuliani does. this is what, frankly, donald trump does, and this is what others in the trump camp do, which is they say they have evidence. rudy giuliani is like, what is your evidence? he's like, stay tuned. how many times have we've been told to stay tuned. what happens is, the people here that -- that here that, they believe rudy as evidence, they don't see a follow-up about him not testifying or saying anything. i think it goes to show, obviously, he's a pathological liar, or he is insane. i am not quite sure he's insane. i just think that it's important to know at this moment, because i was thinking about this in the lead up here, how far this guy has fallen. >> it's incredible. >> it is. i think any other day, when he will die someday, they would have named every elementary school and every town rudy giuliani elementary. he threw that all away, it's sad. >> again, i want to play the clip of giuliani outside the court on monday, attacking, again, ruby freeman and shaye moss, even though his la

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what does this get rudy giuliani? >> it gets rudy giuliani two things.s it allows him to sort of reorganize his financial world. and some of the things that he has, some of the debts that he owes will hopefully from his perspective be wiped clean or at least reduced to cents on the dollar. it gives him somewhat of a fresh start and allows him to get rid of certain debts and also reduce them. but the more important thing for rudy giuliani at this moment is it freezes every lawsuit that he is facing other than the fulton county indictment against him. it can't freeze criminal lawsuits, and there are certain types of assets that you could recover that won't be freezed by bankruptcy like child support. but rudy doesn't owe anybody and we know that from his filing today. >> it is expensive to be an awful human being. >> it is totally expensive. >> that seems to be the case here. >> you and i are were talking during the break if you read his filing where he lists his 20 largest creditors putting aside the irs and tax authorities, it is the longest list of peop

rudy giuliani. there's going to be a couple things that happen still in court. so there's something still on the table where their teams had gone to the judge and wanted a court order to order rudy giuliani to take down anything on his social media accounts, on websites he controlled that would repeat these sorts of false statements. we're going to wait and see if they're going to continue asking for that. the judge might have some sort of order like that. essentially barring giuliani from continuing to propagate these lies and then the other thing that's going to happen is they're very likely going to be coming to court, they already indicated that they're going to come to court to try and get to those payments as quickly as possible. that they're going to want to try and get rudy giuliani to put liens on things that he has and they're going to want to do that before he has the chance to get bond or an appeal. so all of that is going to be playing out in the coming days in the court. but rudy giuli

rudy giuliani was not the only one who has spread lies about us. others must be held accountable today. but that is tomorrow's work. >> joining me now is meryl governski, partner at -- and gallagher. she represented ruby freeman and shaye moss in their defamation lawsuit against rudy giuliani. as you just heard, they won big. meryl governski, thank you for joining me tonight. as one female trial lawyer to another, i am looking at the verdict form, and i do want to say, my hat off to you. i knew that this is a victory for you to savor. but it was not about the money. i want you to share with our viewers right now, how ruby freeman and shaye moss are feeling after today's verdict? >> there are a lot of zeroes on that verdict form. that's a pretty good. but as you heard lady ruby say, really, money cannot fix the harm that they have incurred the last three years. the jurors heard in painstaking details about the harm. both of our clients are heroes. they were willing to relive those traumatic experiences of their entire life on the witness stand, and

sounds like rudy giuliani will testify.on't know what he's going to say. >> why would that be advantageous for him? >> i don't know is the short answer. his team could argue, well, the amount these people were damaged, the financial damages, were somehow limited but i don't know what rudy's testimony could add to that. maybe he will -- i mean, who knows. maybe he will apologize, express some remorse, maybe he will say he was misunderstood or he misspoke, something to try to mitigate damages because that's what we're talking about here is how much are the damages going to be. >> let's shift gears to his buddy, former president, who was to be in court today for his new york civil fraud case. he promised everybody, he touted he was going to be there and then he had second thoughts. i mean, why? >> it was the least bad option for him. i think he found the least bad option in declining to testify. there is no upside for him, it's all risk. he has already testified in this case, didn't go great. the judge has already ruled agains

>> well, rudy giuliani, he didn't take the stand, but rudy giuliani's words are exactly what this jury has to weigh now when they decide how much he should be paying ruby freeman and shaye moss, these two georgia election workers for their emotional distress for, reputational damage he has done to their good names, and for the amount that he must pay to be punished for what he said. now in court today, we essentially heard closing arguments. that was the bulk of the day before the jury deliberated before about 3 1/2 hours and was clearly getting into the nitty-gritty of the numbers. they looked at how an expert had determined $48 million should be the amount at least that he should have to pay. and what one of the lawyers for ruby freeman and shaye moss, michael gottlieb, what he argued to the jury was that rudy giuliani was a powerful person. he was an attorney for so long. he was so successful. he should have known better than what he had been doing after the election. he should know what defamation is, and he should have known that this was a sustained campaign of lies that would de

rudy giuliani was not the only one who has spread lies about us. all those must be held accountable today. but that is tomorrow's work. >> joining me now is meryl governski, partner at -- and gallagher. she represented ruby freeman and shaye moss in their defamation lawsuit against rudy giuliani. as you just heard, day one bag. meryl governski, thank you for joining me tonight. as one female trial lawyer to another, i am looking at the verdict form, and i do want to say, my hat off to you. i knew that this is a victory for you to savor. but it was not about the money. i want you to share with our viewers right now, how ruby freeman and shaye moss are feeling after today's verdict? >> there are a lot of zeroes on that verdict form. that's a pretty good. but as you heard lady ruby say, really, money cannot fix the harm that they have incurred the last three years. the jurors heard in painstaking details about the harm. both of our clients are heroes. they were willing to relive those traumatic experiences of their entire life on the witness stand, an

next up, rudy can also play ebenezer scrooge.>>> oil and natural gas prizes rose sharply yesterday after bp said it would pause all shipments through the red sea following a series of attacks on vessels by iranian-backed houthi rebels passing through the suez canal. experts warn this could shock global supply chains. >> it could be supply chain issues. it could be just costs going higher, because those shipping costs make up a decent-sized chunk of the goods you buy. a lot of those costs consumers have been used to are predicated on shipping that uses global shortcuts like the suez canal. attacks in that red sea region have led to multiple companies to reroute their shipping. the latest is maersk. you mentioned bp. so far they have said the red sea travel is on pause, but they declined to comment about whether there was going to be a potential travel rerouting around the south of africa, like other firms have done, which adds a lot of travel costs. having to take that longer cape of good hope route reduces a trip's effective capa

you both know rudy giuliani. let me play for you, because he's something who is like trump, cannot shut up. lauren windsor, an independent journalist who often gets people to say dumb things by asking them a simple question, she caught up with rudy giuliani after this verdict. and she asked him why he was willing to risk it all for donald trump. here's what he said. >> you're america's mayor, why are you willing to risk it all for donald trump? >> i'm a man of principle. i have always been a man of principle. this is a fight of principle. i understand that i could have done a lot of things to make this go away. the reason i didn't make it go away is for the american people. the election of 2020 has to be exposed because if not, our country will no longer be a democracy. i know that. i know that in detail. i have the evidence in -- i'm not just talking about this carb i'm talking about a lot of cases. and i know that my country had a president imposed upon it by fraud. >> what is wrong with this person? i mean, ge

an attorney who sued rudy giuliani because he could not pay him for his legal fees. it speaks to the level of where he is. these are all lies he told for the man on the right there. >> merrill, he had a company that was supposedly a security company. >> that's right. >> and then after a while he was doing, i think, ads for lifelock or something. did he make money? >> he had a very powerful brand, and he had a very lucrative brand. giuliani partners signed all kinds of contracts with foreign governments and agencies all over the country. sterling reputation, best selling book. he had a ton of money from a lot of different sources. and little by little, it all, sort of, kind of, went away. there was more hype to it than people realize. you can't go to mexico city and solve crime there, although you can take a lot of money to pretend to show them magical techniques being imported from new york. after a while, that consulting firm, sort of, died down. his partnership with the brace well firm, braes well giuliani, that, kind of, went away. little by little, that all, sort

and that's because rudy's busy with his own legal problems. >> this morning, rudy giuliani is back in to face with the two georgia election workers whose lives were nearly ruined by his repeated falsehoods and conspiracy theories about them after the 2020 election. giuliani telling me after court yesterday he stands by all of it. >> do you regret what you did to ruby freeman? >> of course i don't regret. i told the truth. they were engaged in changing votes. >> there's no proof of that. >> oh, you're damn right there is. stay tuned. >> ruby freeman and her daughter wandrea shaye moss served as election workers in georgia in 2020. but when donald trump claimed baselessly that the vote count was rigged, giuliani accused them of bringing in suitcases stuffed with fake biden votes and other skullduggery. >> i really felt someone would tell him, like, "no, sir, you don't know what you're talking about." >> yesterday, during opening statements, giuliani's lawyers said that up to $43 million in damages the workers are seeking will, quote, "be the end of him." >> kal: the end of rudy giuliani

and rudy giuliani is still talking. he is refusing frankly to back down even tonight. >> i have no doubt that my comments were made, and they were supportable and are supportable today. >> no doubt? hmm. let's not forget what ruby freeman and shaye moss have gone through. and by the way, are still going through. there were those voicemails played in court, voicemails full of obscene and racist threats. and i warn you what you're about to hear is disturbing. >> you're going to jail, ruby. you're gonna get locked up, ruby. that's election fraud, ruby. what was on the usb drive, ruby? you're all going to [ bleep ] jail, you piece of [ bleep ]. >> hey, i hope you like jail because that's where you're going on your way to hell. >> now, these are the most tame of the ones that were actually played in the courtroom. and, again, they didn't do anything wrong. they did exactly what we ask people to do when we have a democracy. they have to work to make our elections free and fair by actually working the elections. and for that,

what does this get rudy giuliani? >> so, it gets rudy giuliani to things.t allows him to reorganize his financial world, and some of the things that he has, some of the deaths that he owes will hopefully, from his perspective, be wiped clean, or at least reduced two cents on the dollar. it gives him somewhat of a fresh start and allows him to get rid of certain debts and also reduce them. the more important thing for rudy giuliani at this moment is it freezes every lawsuit that he is facing other than the fulton county indictment against him. it can't freeze criminal lawsuits, and there are certain types of assets that you could recover that won't be freed by bankruptcy, like child support. rudy doesn't owe anybody any spousal or child support right now. we know that from his filing today. >> he owes a lot of people out of money though, as we're talking about, it is expensive to be al -- an awful human being. >> that seems to be the case here. >> you and i were talking about it during the break, if you read his filing today where he lists his 20 largest cre

what does this get rudy giuliani? >> so, it gets rudy giuliani to things. first, it allows him to reorganize his financial world, and some of the things that he has, some of the deaths that he owes will hopefully, from his perspective, be wiped clean, or at least reduced two cents on the dollar. it gives him somewhat of a fresh start and allows him to get rid of certain debts and also reduce them. the more important thing for rudy giuliani at this moment is it freezes every lawsuit that he is facing other than the fulton county indictment against him. it can't freeze criminal lawsuits, and there are certain types of assets that you could recover that won't be freed by bankruptcy, like child support. rudy doesn't owe anybody any spousal or child support right now. we know that from his filing today. >> he owes a lot of people out of money though, as we're talking about, it is expensive to be al -- an awful human being. >> that seems to be the case here. >> you and i were talking about it during the break, if you read his filing today where he lists his 20 la

freeman who were defamed by rudy giuliani get an award of $147 million.ame to have your reputation intact and for having safety in your home but at least it puts the justice system on the side of the people defending democracy. and shay moss and ruby freeman should be proud that they will be role models for everyone going into the 2024 election, the election workers the poll workers the election judges, everybody standing up for the actual infrastructure of political democracy which the republicans have declared warr on. >> that's interesting. you think it sends an inspiring message for people who volunteer, who work for not very much money in these essential jobs on election day? >> yeah, i m mean donald trump d his authoritarian cronies would want us to believe that democracy is something they throw around once that while, with vladimir putin and his assault on ukraine and president xi or whatever, requires tens of thousands of people to go out to educate voters, to register voters and count people's ballots and we saw in 2020 how trump and giuliani and

coming up next, rudy giuliani gets a taste of accountability.ed to pay nearly 100 and $50 million to georgia election workers. ruby freeman and shaye moss were repeatedly defaming them. but he's still standing by his lies. could it hurt his appeal? i have a legal experts standing by with some answers. stick around, folks. by with some answers stick around, folks. stick around, folks. nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor o

rudy giuliani. so i would say that we have a very talented team of colleagues at the law firm wilkie and fire and gonna work diligently to track down every asset that he has and work to ensure that what he has rightly goes to ruby and shaye for what he owes them. >> do you think mr. giuliani's going to have to post a sizeable bond to stay the execution of this agreement? >> that's a great question. the answer is, normally that is exactly what has to happen. we will see whether that is something that he intends to do. we intend to move as expeditiously as possible, including to get the court to weigh the automatic stay of execution so that we can start enforcement proceedings immediately. >> and finally, do you see any chance of rudy giuliani on giuliani saying this is gonna be turned over an appeal? is there any validity to that? >> no. is the short answer. throughout this case he have offered the defense that this was his opinion. well, it's not an opinion when you offer facts. it's also, even 80s

rudy giuliani. so i would say that we have a very talented team of colleagues at the law firm wilkie and fire and gonna work diligently to track down every asset that he has and work to ensure that what he has rightly goes to ruby and shaye for what he owes them. >> do you think mr. giuliani's going to have to post a sizeable bond to stay the execution of thi agreement? >> that's a great question. the answer is, normally that is exactly what has to happen. we will see whether that is something that he intends to do. we intend to move as expeditiously as possible, including to get the court to weigh the automatic stay of execution so that we can start enforcement proceedings immediately. >> and finally, do you see any chance of rudy giuliani on giuliani saying this is gonna be turned over an appeal? is there any validity to that? >> no. is the short answer. throughout this case he have offered the defense that this was his opinion. well, it's not an opinion when you offer facts. it's also, even 80s a

rudy giuliani still has criminal liability here. he is an indicted coconspirators as part of funny willis's racketeering case. so, that has to be scheduled. this is not an end at the road for this man, in terms of mark meadows. i would not hear, that this case feels to me, it represents sometimes like the law and common sense are a. i.. that is what this feels like to me. one of the trial court found in this case is that mark meadows official job duties as chief of staff did not cover his actions as led to the indictment. the other thing that the trial found is that his actions were beyond executive authority, so, what we have here, if you step back and look at the big picture, there is a way to challenge elections in our country, whether you do it through the court system. they tried to. the trump campaign tried to, 60 plus times, in georgia and across the country. and they lost 60 plus times. it's one that should have been the end of it. it wasn't. we had this man ignored the facts, working around the law, and now, he's on the cus