grant schmoke is a really early supporter of clinton. when i interviewed he told me he was so much better than what we had before, you know, so so how do you actually make sense and and square this yeah you know i don't know. right and i also sort think i mean, the the direction i was sort of thinking when i was hearing is this structural or ideological, i sort of started thinking about i do by the sort of connerly narrative that this is like a white story. it hasn't just been him. obviously, that's that's commented on this. but i think he has done it, you know, in a very sort of a precise way. but yeah, i do think like we have the first just sort of speaking about black mayors. we have the first two black mayors that are elected in 1968. by 1993, you know, 70 of the largest cities the us have black mayors. if this is a white story of sort of state mediated extraction of communities, what happens the state apparatus like is it surprise to us that we see an increase in privatization of these important goods for people's lives like, is tha