shelley binder: so here she is, trying to get up the stairs, trying to go up into the aft well deck.on: there were some reports of when people in steerage, third class, tried to get up from the bowels of the ship. some of the gates were locked to the top deck, where they could find a lifeboat. [metal rattling] tim maltin: and they were shaking the gate and asking for the gates to be opened. [indistinct shouting] shelley binder: there were hundreds of people pushing their way up there, and there was a logjam. leah literally had to fight for her life. and nobody was sort of on top of it. the one that lady duff-gordon got into with her husband-- they only had 12 people in a boat that should have had 60. it wasn't so much evil as a kind of incompetence that saddens me that so many more people died than need have. julie cook: there were a good 2 and 1/2 hours, three hours before it sank, and so you have all this time to be fearful, to be terrified. and i think that's the true horror of what happened on the titanic. [screaming] [theme music] it may not sound like it, but this... is actuall