culture in britain. if he wins the election . sunak says his moral election. sunak says his moral mission to reform our welfare system, saying that work is good for people . well, he has faced for people. well, he has faced criticism from a disability, a disability charity and the british medical association, but has rejected claims that his reforms were lacking in compassion . oh, this is this is compassion. oh, this is this is a divisive one as well, isn't it? joining me now is gb news, host of the saturday five, darren grimes and the very lovely former labour adviser and writer scarlett mccgwire. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> fierce debate with these two. always great pairing . now, always a great pairing. now, scarlet rishi sunak has been accused of being a bit heartless with with this policy about you're all lazy, get back to work mental health isn't that bad. >> well, i, i worry about this. >> well, i, i worry about this. >> is that on the one hand, the daily mail. are you anx