and so slatter a pew in one of his churches. but you know i found a letter to to i a letter to to the editor of a in which the guy who'd bought the pew behind slatter said he and his family were not going go to church until. you know, if there was any chance of having to look on this despicable trader so he couldn't get a break and eventually he he finds respect moving to the deep south himself. yeah yeah. i want to ask you a little bit about kind of the journalism here, how did you get on to this story? how when did you first learn about small and and this much about a domestic slave trade? and what was it that made you think this a book? well actually goes back probably about 25 years we'd been for quite a few years in the nineties. we've been living in baltimore for quite a few years that at that time when i kind of thought i knew the city, i knew the history, the city a little bit and somewhere i came across the fact that this the slave trade had had thrived at the harbor for many, many years, kind of 1810 till the civil war