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and josh steinglass is talking up to them. and this is like he's assuming they are smart and he is making rapid, fast arguments, he's not bee laboring it. i know it is a long time. but he's really not. this is quite rapid fire. and his language choice was just so good. >> they're going to go to the anchor story and get a new me if i don't get a break in. everyone stick around. we'll be right back. ne stick ar. we'll be right back. l psycholog. i do a lot of hiking and kayaking. i needed something to help me gain clarity. so i was in the pharmacy and i saw a display of prevagen and i asked the pharmacist about it. i started taking prevagen and i noticed that i had more cognitive clarity. memory is better. it's been about two years now and it's working for me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. for moderate to severe crohn's disease skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections
and josh steinglass is talking up to them. and this is like he's assuming they are smart and he is making rapid, fast arguments, he's not bee laboring it. i know it is a long time. but he's really not. this is quite rapid fire. and his language choice was just so good. >> they're going to go to the anchor story and get a new me if i don't get a break in. everyone stick around. we'll be right back. ne stick ar. we'll be right back. l psycholog. i do a lot of hiking and kayaking. i needed...
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if i were josh steinglass, that's what i would do. hitting on the small issues to make sure the juries don't get caught up in things are minor is the thing to do. but you want to address michael cohen for who he is then i think as we've been talking about, note that all of these things have been established by a host of other witnesses. one other thing, too, is that somebody like hope hicks, even though the prosecution called them, they did a good job of establishing and josh did this as well. these are not their witnesses. these are people who are loyal to donald trump. who believe in donald trump. and yet who have still took the stand and provided testimony that was damning and still supported the alleged crimes. those are the things in a good prosecution, that kind of cross, sort of sponsoring witnesses who are loyal to the trump organization and to donald trump, actually can be quite helpful to the jury. >> and he's pointing out while the defense urges you to reject cohen testimony, he never got his sentence reduced. he's still pr
if i were josh steinglass, that's what i would do. hitting on the small issues to make sure the juries don't get caught up in things are minor is the thing to do. but you want to address michael cohen for who he is then i think as we've been talking about, note that all of these things have been established by a host of other witnesses. one other thing, too, is that somebody like hope hicks, even though the prosecution called them, they did a good job of establishing and josh did this as well....
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joshua steinglass told the jury, mr for trump chose mr. cohen for the same qualities that his attorneys now urge you to reject his testimony insisting it's a deflection for the defense to make the case about cohen steinglass, explain colin's role was just to be a tour guide through the physical evidence. but those documents don't lie and they don't don't forget the prosecution then accused trump and the publisher of the national enquirer of trying to pull the wool over voters eyes in a coordinated fashion. they didn't use the term catch and kill, but that's exactly what it was steinglass said. and that's the illegal part because once money starts changing hands on behalf of the campaign that's federal election campaign finance violations this is not normal legitimate press functions. steinglass remarked, calling it over election fraud court continues in the building right behind me. the judge just took the bench again after giving the jury a short break. now, prosecutors been going for four hours and just clear the judge is getting a littl
joshua steinglass told the jury, mr for trump chose mr. cohen for the same qualities that his attorneys now urge you to reject his testimony insisting it's a deflection for the defense to make the case about cohen steinglass, explain colin's role was just to be a tour guide through the physical evidence. but those documents don't lie and they don't don't forget the prosecution then accused trump and the publisher of the national enquirer of trying to pull the wool over voters eyes in a...
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yasmin, powerful stuff from steinglass. >> really powerful stuff, katy, you started off by saying steinglass was cleaning up the holes, and i looked back at what todd blanche actually said about this august 2015 trump tower meeting, i just want to remind folks what it is that he said during his closing arguments, just a couple of hours ago with regards to that he said this is the same thing ami has been doing for decades, they have been doing it for president trump since the '90s, there is zero criminal intent in the 2015 meeting. indeed, mr. pecker told you it was good business to work with president trump. let's remind folks of this meeting. it was august in 2015. it was david pecker as they've testified. it was michael cohen, it was donald trump. it was hope hicks. and she testified to this, just a couple of weeks ago, going in and out of this meeting, she was not there for this conversation. what this was about, essentially having eyes and ears, as you talked about with regards to the testimony, having eyes and ears on some of the people he was up against in the 2016 election, and placin
yasmin, powerful stuff from steinglass. >> really powerful stuff, katy, you started off by saying steinglass was cleaning up the holes, and i looked back at what todd blanche actually said about this august 2015 trump tower meeting, i just want to remind folks what it is that he said during his closing arguments, just a couple of hours ago with regards to that he said this is the same thing ami has been doing for decades, they have been doing it for president trump since the '90s, there...
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steinglass calling it jaw-dropping. >> funding, yes. and it's all the stuff. >> reporter: but much of closings today focused on the credibility of cohen. quote, we didn't pick him up at the witness store. the defendant chose michael cohen, steinglass said, acknowledging cohen's criminal history and admitted lies under oath, but telling jurors you don't need michael cohen to connect these dots. but as the ultimate insider, he can do just that. the defense has also tried to discredit cohen as motivated to lie, desperate to put mr. trump behind bars. pointing to cohen's own podcast. >> revenge is a dish best served cold, and you better believe i want this man to go down and rot inside for what he did to me and my family. >> reporter: but steinglass took that head-on, arguing today cohen is understandably angry because mr. trump dropped him like a hot potato after the feds came calling in 2018, urging jurors to see this case not about michael cohen. it's about donald trump. in his closing arguments, trump attorney todd blanche tore into the
steinglass calling it jaw-dropping. >> funding, yes. and it's all the stuff. >> reporter: but much of closings today focused on the credibility of cohen. quote, we didn't pick him up at the witness store. the defendant chose michael cohen, steinglass said, acknowledging cohen's criminal history and admitted lies under oath, but telling jurors you don't need michael cohen to connect these dots. but as the ultimate insider, he can do just that. the defense has also tried to discredit...
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>> i think the answer to that question helps explain why josh steinglass went so long. i think the strongest part of blanche's presentation was in the morning when he stuck to the law. there was this one part where he was talking about the intent to defraud, and there is one line, there is no other way to characterize an invoice from a lawyer to former president trump's and call it a legal expense. the government has criminalized that, has said that is a crime, what the administrator did. that's absurd. it's not a crime and he said later he talked about the mechanics of how these ledger entries were entered and he pointed out it was a drop-down menu and presumably from the drop-down menu, there is not hush money to adult film star so when he resigned himself to the law that was the strongest part of his defense summation and i think where things started to go off and i think where steinglass is very effective is where blanche started coming along with his one-liners, calling cohen the mvp of lies, the greatest liar of all time, the living embodiment of reasonable doubt.
>> i think the answer to that question helps explain why josh steinglass went so long. i think the strongest part of blanche's presentation was in the morning when he stuck to the law. there was this one part where he was talking about the intent to defraud, and there is one line, there is no other way to characterize an invoice from a lawyer to former president trump's and call it a legal expense. the government has criminalized that, has said that is a crime, what the administrator did....
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and then just steinglass says, 49 seconds. katie was describing this haven't been there with this type of a moment when the defense has said, a minute and 36 seconds, that's a fast you can't get anything done. then you walk through something that takes significantly less and say it doesn't seem like that was me screaming through it. that seems viable. >> it leans into the common sense that the judge will read as part of a jury instruction to them tomorrow that they can rely on their common sense to make decisions in the course of the deliberations. when you have the prosecutor get up in a relatable way, have this reenactment, i will put it in quotes, it sounded credible the way you read it. it took only 49 seconds. that's the real life application of what makes it grounded in their sense of common sense. when you have a myriad examples during the course of the closing arguments, lawrence talked about it, how can you say he didn't get reimbursed what you say he stole it because it was legal services rendered so he got legal fee
and then just steinglass says, 49 seconds. katie was describing this haven't been there with this type of a moment when the defense has said, a minute and 36 seconds, that's a fast you can't get anything done. then you walk through something that takes significantly less and say it doesn't seem like that was me screaming through it. that seems viable. >> it leans into the common sense that the judge will read as part of a jury instruction to them tomorrow that they can rely on their...
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and then josh steinglass says, 49 seconds. so, katie was describing this, having been here in court with this type of moment when the defense has said, one minute and 36 seconds, that is so fast. you can't get anything done in that time. then you walk through something that takes significantly less time and say that does not seem like it was me screaming through it. that seems viable, doesn't it? >> it is so impactful because it leans into the common sense that the judge will read as part of the jury instruction, that they can rely on their common sense to make decisions and course of the deliberations. so when you have the prosecutor get up in a very relatable way and have this reenactment. it was not based on a transcript, but it sounded totally credible the way you just read it and it took only 49 seconds. that is the real-life application of what makes it grounded in their sense of common sense. when you have myriad examples during the course of closing arguments, lawrence talked about it as well. how can you say you didn'
and then josh steinglass says, 49 seconds. so, katie was describing this, having been here in court with this type of moment when the defense has said, one minute and 36 seconds, that is so fast. you can't get anything done in that time. then you walk through something that takes significantly less time and say that does not seem like it was me screaming through it. that seems viable, doesn't it? >> it is so impactful because it leans into the common sense that the judge will read as part...
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here is what steinglass said. none of this matters because it is not a defense for the false business records charge that one of the co-conspirators is also guilty of stealing from another and i will tell you something else that was kind of funny and steinglass laughed about. >> you presented this very well. >> and said i don't know if someone got this, but blanche said he stole $60,000, right, because he was grossed up. that means the defense is trying to have it both ways. they can call him a fief -- a fief or claim this was not a reimbursement, but not both. >> it is the internal conflict i have been watching for, which is that it is not a reimbursement. it is a paycheck here and by doing legal work. as lisa points out, the d.a. said today that michael cohen spent less time doing legal work for that money than he spent in cross-examination in this courtroom. so it is not a reimbursement, it is a paycheck. that is one defense argument and then over here is the other defense argument that in this reimbursement fo
here is what steinglass said. none of this matters because it is not a defense for the false business records charge that one of the co-conspirators is also guilty of stealing from another and i will tell you something else that was kind of funny and steinglass laughed about. >> you presented this very well. >> and said i don't know if someone got this, but blanche said he stole $60,000, right, because he was grossed up. that means the defense is trying to have it both ways. they...
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he steinglass says he's frugal. we have heard tests stem one like this over and over again from people who were not from witnesses who are not hostile to donald trump, from people who worked with him, not named michael cohen steinglass has pulled up excerpts from one of trump's books, reading again, testimony on trump's views on his finances. i think this is about where he talks about how you have to watch every penny. >> this goes to something that the three lawyers can talk about, which is common sense with the jury it seems to me common sense is that trump would not be paying michael cohen cohen more than he needed to be paying him if he could have just reimbursed. >> mr. everybody standby. there's a lot more we're watching. we'll get more of the prosecution's closing argument straight ahead, and we'll also talk to michael cohen's former lawyer about the numerous mentions of cohen during both sides summations that a plus amanda defended donald trump in his second impeachment trial is here with us. we'll get his t
he steinglass says he's frugal. we have heard tests stem one like this over and over again from people who were not from witnesses who are not hostile to donald trump, from people who worked with him, not named michael cohen steinglass has pulled up excerpts from one of trump's books, reading again, testimony on trump's views on his finances. i think this is about where he talks about how you have to watch every penny. >> this goes to something that the three lawyers can talk about, which...
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this is one of josh steinglass's best and quickest rebuttals. one of the arguments from the defense, nondisclosure agreements, nothing illegal about them. that is something that happens all the time. josh steinglass goes. you know what's illegal, contracts. you know what's wrong? when you take out a contract to kill your spouse. so it's all a question of what are you doing with the nda, the nondisclosure agreement. what are you doing with the contract? to just have a tag line of ndas are legal leaves -- is really to me talking down to the jurors and i think josh steinglass did a great job talking up to them. >> emily, you get the final word. how much do you think they moved the ball? >> i think they moved it. they elevated the case. they reminded them why they're there. this isn't a tawdry sex scandal, it's about who became president of the united states. >> andrew, emily, katheryn on a big night, thanks to each of you. >>> up ahead, as promised, we're going to dig into the defense, what it revealed, where it may have scored points and why you n
this is one of josh steinglass's best and quickest rebuttals. one of the arguments from the defense, nondisclosure agreements, nothing illegal about them. that is something that happens all the time. josh steinglass goes. you know what's illegal, contracts. you know what's wrong? when you take out a contract to kill your spouse. so it's all a question of what are you doing with the nda, the nondisclosure agreement. what are you doing with the contract? to just have a tag line of ndas are legal...
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steinglass called these exhibits the smoking guns. and if you haven't noticed, the weisselberg notes are on a copy of an account statement from first republic bank, noting the $130,000 wire transfer from cohen's account to stormy daniels' lawyer, keith davidson. it's also worth noting that trump's defense left that unresolved in their closing arguments. i wonder why. come tomorrow, judge juan merchan will read off the all important instructions to the jury which will be the basis for how the jury will decide whether trump is guilty or not guilty. at that point, the jury will begin deliberations and it's anyone's guess how long they will need to come to a verdict. let's bring in my legal panel, katie phang, host of the katie phang show on msnbc. melissa murray, nyu law professor and msnbc legal analyst, harry lipman, former u.s. attorney who just left the courthouse, and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. harry, i'm going to go to you. you just walked out of the courthouse. what
steinglass called these exhibits the smoking guns. and if you haven't noticed, the weisselberg notes are on a copy of an account statement from first republic bank, noting the $130,000 wire transfer from cohen's account to stormy daniels' lawyer, keith davidson. it's also worth noting that trump's defense left that unresolved in their closing arguments. i wonder why. come tomorrow, judge juan merchan will read off the all important instructions to the jury which will be the basis for how the...
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and steinglass over several hours is going methodically. jake, each important de, each important document reintroducing this to the jury, but these documents are really critical, not just these documents this ad themselves, but also tying trump back to these documents. because what todd blanche did this morning, first up when he was up for his closing argument, he tried to distance his client, the defendant, from the falsification of these business records for today insisted first and foremost, that they weren't false. then michael cohen was submitting invoices for legal work and he was the president's personal lawyer. that's how they tried to undercut the charges. the heart of this case. so here it steinglass his job to reintroduce the jury to these individual documents, and then represent the key evidence that they have that links to the defendant to these documents. this is probably going to be the most critical part of his closing argument. and likely what's going to take him through seven or 8:00 tonight. so hats off to the jury four r
and steinglass over several hours is going methodically. jake, each important de, each important document reintroducing this to the jury, but these documents are really critical, not just these documents this ad themselves, but also tying trump back to these documents. because what todd blanche did this morning, first up when he was up for his closing argument, he tried to distance his client, the defendant, from the falsification of these business records for today insisted first and foremost,...
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and then just steinglass says 49 seconds. so, katie was just describing this having been there in court with this type of a moment. when the defense has said oh, minute and 36 seconds. that's so fast. you can't get anything done in that time. and you walk through the jury through something that takes significantly less than that time and say that didn't seem like it was me screaming through it. that seems viable. doesn't it? >> it is so impactful because it leans into the sentence that the judge will read as part of a jury instruction tomorrow to them. that they can rely on their common sense to be able to make decisions in this case during the course of the deliberations. so when you have them get up in a relatable way. have this reinactment. i will put it quotes. it wasn't a transcript but it sounded credible and only took 49 seconds. that's the real life application of what makes it grounded in their sense of common sense. when you have a myriad examples during the course of the closing arguments, lawrence talked about it
and then just steinglass says 49 seconds. so, katie was just describing this having been there in court with this type of a moment. when the defense has said oh, minute and 36 seconds. that's so fast. you can't get anything done in that time. and you walk through the jury through something that takes significantly less than that time and say that didn't seem like it was me screaming through it. that seems viable. doesn't it? >> it is so impactful because it leans into the sentence that...
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that's a very pointed use of language from steinglass on the prosecution. they're basically saying the call happened and the defense is trying to pretend like it didn't. what do you make of what you heard from the defense earlier this morning and the rebuttal that we're just getting now from the prosecution first of all, abby, thank you for having me listen. >> i think the challenge that the prosecution has and the reason the defense can say that that call yeah. maybe it wasn't a trump phone call was probably a keith schiller phone call. is because it just goes to the heart of the case. it's not a documents case that puts the felony and trump's in trump's orbit. it's it's, it's the conversation of he cohen talking about falsifying this records before the election and that requires the jury to believe michael cohen it requires them to feel that this guy's not a scumbags, a slimeball, a thief, a crooked, all these things and all this. we've seen in the last two things is it just get reinforced that he is in fact a thief. we now know he's a crook. now i have a
that's a very pointed use of language from steinglass on the prosecution. they're basically saying the call happened and the defense is trying to pretend like it didn't. what do you make of what you heard from the defense earlier this morning and the rebuttal that we're just getting now from the prosecution first of all, abby, thank you for having me listen. >> i think the challenge that the prosecution has and the reason the defense can say that that call yeah. maybe it wasn't a trump...
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trump knew," steinglass said. "that was mr. trump's motive to silence this woman in 2016." judge merchan telling trump's lawyers, bottom line, "you denied that there was ever a sexual encounter between stormy daniels and the defendant. your denial puts the jury in a position to decide who they believe." >> david: let's bring back in aaron katersky at the courthouse again tonight. stormy daniels on the stand for seven hours over two days. you were studying the jurors. how did they react? did they react at all? >> reporter: jury was captivated, david, as stormy daniels sparred with defense attorneys. the jury box became a tennis stadium. the jurors going back and forth between the attorney and the witness. there's no way to know how the jurors took in the more explicit details, and the defense said they were so prejudicial it warranted a mistrial. but the judge said, absolutely not, because donald trump denies having sex with stormy daniels, the judge said, the jury is left
trump knew," steinglass said. "that was mr. trump's motive to silence this woman in 2016." judge merchan telling trump's lawyers, bottom line, "you denied that there was ever a sexual encounter between stormy daniels and the defendant. your denial puts the jury in a position to decide who they believe." >> david: let's bring back in aaron katersky at the courthouse again tonight. stormy daniels on the stand for seven hours over two days. you were studying the...
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so what josh steinglass did is he goes out there before the jury today. any basically times in itself and he says let's try a little experiment. i will be cohen and he fakes a call here. hey keith, how's it going? it seems like this prankster might be a 14-year-old kid. if i text you the number, can you call and talk to his family, see if you can let them know how serious this is it's not a joke uh-huh. >> yeah. >> alright thanks, pal. hey, is the boston hear you can you pass on the phone for a minute? i will wait just a couple of seconds and then he pauses and waits for schiller to fake hand the phone to make trump, and then he goes, hey boss, i know you're busy, but i just wanted to let you know that the other thing is moving forward. my friend keith and the other party that we just discussed its back on track. i'm going to try one last time to get our friend david to pay. but if it's not, it's going to be us to take care of it. uh-huh. yeah. all right. good luck in tampa. >> by when he time it was 49 seconds, which is way less than the 96 seconds of th
so what josh steinglass did is he goes out there before the jury today. any basically times in itself and he says let's try a little experiment. i will be cohen and he fakes a call here. hey keith, how's it going? it seems like this prankster might be a 14-year-old kid. if i text you the number, can you call and talk to his family, see if you can let them know how serious this is it's not a joke uh-huh. >> yeah. >> alright thanks, pal. hey, is the boston hear you can you pass on the...
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prosecutor joshua steinglass trying to establish a pattern of mr. trump burying damaging stories that could derail his 2016 campaign, pointing to a key conversation secretly recorded by mr. trump's then-attorney, michael cohen, the star prosecution witness, where mr. trump discussed an alleged payoff of a different woman. steinglass calling it jaw-dropping. >> so what do we got to pay for? >> funding, yes. and it's all the stuff. >> reporter: but much of closings today focused on the credibility of cohen. quote, we didn't pick him up at the witness store. the defendant chose michael cohen, steinglass said, acknowledging cohen's criminal history and admitted lies under oath, but telling jurors, you don't need michael cohen to connect these dots. but as the ultimate insider, he can do just that. the defense has also tried to discredit cohen as motivated to lie, desperate to put mr. trump behind bars, pointing to cohen's own podcast. >> revenge is a dish best served cold, and you better believe i want this man to go down and rot inside for what he did
prosecutor joshua steinglass trying to establish a pattern of mr. trump burying damaging stories that could derail his 2016 campaign, pointing to a key conversation secretly recorded by mr. trump's then-attorney, michael cohen, the star prosecution witness, where mr. trump discussed an alleged payoff of a different woman. steinglass calling it jaw-dropping. >> so what do we got to pay for? >> funding, yes. and it's all the stuff. >> reporter: but much of closings today focused...
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i don't know what i'm steinglass sought to really go. he spent it seemed like the first half-hour that he was up there talking about it. all times that todd blanche called michael cohen a liar and was saying, we're not asking you to love michael cohen. he was saying michael cohen made his bed, but he was saying also one on michael cohen making money said you can't judge him for making money off the people that he surrounded himself with drawing it all back to saying, you know, donald trump was the person who put michael cohen in this position and hired him for all these years? here's another interesting point. and on the trump going to jail, he said, quote, anyone in cohen's shoes would want the defendant to be held accountable. that's how they address that. but he also made an interesting point. he said that the defense was trying to have it both ways with michael cohen, which is to say he's a liar and he's a thief. but also this idea that he was not, he was not being in reimburse, that he was being paid these legal fees that are totall
i don't know what i'm steinglass sought to really go. he spent it seemed like the first half-hour that he was up there talking about it. all times that todd blanche called michael cohen a liar and was saying, we're not asking you to love michael cohen. he was saying michael cohen made his bed, but he was saying also one on michael cohen making money said you can't judge him for making money off the people that he surrounded himself with drawing it all back to saying, you know, donald trump was...
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steinglass, based on your conversation with mr. trump, did you have an understanding as to whether he was aware of the specifics of karen mcdougal's description of the affair? pecker? yes, i did steinglass. what made you come to such an understanding? i think that michael cohen gave him the i think michael collins spoke to donald trump which he said he was going to, which excuse me, which donald trump said on the phone that i spoke to michael and i believe that when mr. trump said that to me over the phone, that she was a nice girl. i believe that he knew who she was steinglass why would you recommend to donald trump purchasing this story? i believe to the story was true. i think that it would've been very embarrassing to himself and also to his campaign. then that's not the entire excerpt, but that is some of the excerpt that was read and elliot williams, i'm wondering donald trump is not charged with anything having to do with count karen mcdougal, right? why is this being rewrite absolutely. >> it's a few things. so number one,
steinglass, based on your conversation with mr. trump, did you have an understanding as to whether he was aware of the specifics of karen mcdougal's description of the affair? pecker? yes, i did steinglass. what made you come to such an understanding? i think that michael cohen gave him the i think michael collins spoke to donald trump which he said he was going to, which excuse me, which donald trump said on the phone that i spoke to michael and i believe that when mr. trump said that to me...
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and steinglass asks, a denial of what. and davidson saying, everything, steinglass goes on to say, did you send a denial to stormy to sign? davidson says, i don't recall. that is what they're talking about now. there is also the issue that they went over a little bit earlier, when it came to the agreement made between the shell company, michael cohen, dylan howard, who is acting as the mediator because it seems as if keith davidson didn't have trust in michael cohen at the time and stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and the money that was eventually paid off. and david dennison, who is the pseudonym name used for donald trump, they talked about who actually signed, jose this agreement, and they honed in on whether or not david dennison signed this agreement, the pseudonym for donald trump, in which they said he did not sign the agreement. michael cohen signed on behalf of david dennison, so they're focusing in on the timeline, leading up to the november 11 election and what took place after the election as keith davidson co
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prosecutor joshua steinglass started with the access hollywood thing. i want to bring back u.s. criminal defense attorney mercedes -- mercedes colwin along with new york trial attorney rebecca rose woodland. let me just read to you, craig grote -- trey gowdy tweeted," prosecution initially! of far west and access hollywood to. why would they do that, reminders of bill and hillary clinton in efforts to influence elections could not conjure good memories for jurors?" i just had this conversation with shannon bream about a plotting, makeup -- methodical plotting of the application. are they flailing here, this disk is my business feel consistently you? registering up a bunch of things against the wall to see what sticks, you match. >> i agree with you, that's what they're doing. i think the strategy is through a lot -- make the closing seem so long that the jury will start to say well, the closing was so long they must have had a lot to say, they must have proved their case to mack they seem to be just coming up with nonsense after nonsense in trying to justify some of this extrane
prosecutor joshua steinglass started with the access hollywood thing. i want to bring back u.s. criminal defense attorney mercedes -- mercedes colwin along with new york trial attorney rebecca rose woodland. let me just read to you, craig grote -- trey gowdy tweeted," prosecution initially! of far west and access hollywood to. why would they do that, reminders of bill and hillary clinton in efforts to influence elections could not conjure good memories for jurors?" i just had this...
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but the defense countered the prosecution's attack on cohen head-on with this steinglass, the person who is the prosecutor in this case said michael cohen significance in this case so that he provides context and hello to the documents. the phone records the texts, the recordings. he's like a tour guide through the physical evidence, but those documents don't lie and they don't forget yunnan to say those documents, i get everything you need to know. you don't need michael cohen to connect these dots. but as the ultimate insider, he can help you to do just that. joining us now, former attorney for michael cohen, lanny davis. lanny. good to see you this evening. i know that you and i have had several conversations over the course of this trial we both expected that michael cohen would be a significant part of the trial and a significant can part of the summations. and today did not disappoint. i do wonder what you made of the way the prosecution and the defence over about eight hours worth of time laid out their case, talking about michael cohen cohen would you make of it well, first o
but the defense countered the prosecution's attack on cohen head-on with this steinglass, the person who is the prosecutor in this case said michael cohen significance in this case so that he provides context and hello to the documents. the phone records the texts, the recordings. he's like a tour guide through the physical evidence, but those documents don't lie and they don't forget yunnan to say those documents, i get everything you need to know. you don't need michael cohen to connect these...
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they feel that it's warranted, charles, but you mentioned this -- this is a key point because stack -- steinglass À la particular here, continues bringing up cohen's 2018 guilty plea as well as the nonprosecution agreement that damon packer, the former american media c
they feel that it's warranted, charles, but you mentioned this -- this is a key point because stack -- steinglass À la particular here, continues bringing up cohen's 2018 guilty plea as well as the nonprosecution agreement that damon packer, the former american media c
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you have it, if you have motive as a prosecutor, you're going to give that reason. >> steinglass said in the closing, in the simplest of term s, stormy daniels is the motive. >> it is like merchan is listening to us. we're asking and he's answering. merchan, some jurors took notes, any notes taken are only made from your memory and should not take precedence over the evidence. those jurors who chose not to take notes and rely on their recollections, the jurors cannot substitute the transcript. if there is a discrepancy, you should ask to have the relevant testimony read back. >> that's the danger, because my notes may say that this was important or i may have totally misinterpreted or misunderstood what the judge has been saying or what the evidence has been versus maybe charles' notes. that's why they cannot supplant or be a substitute for the actual record. the problem is, it is not like they're going to get the entirety of the court proceedings in the jury room. they have to rely upon their own recollection. and that's where the real battle comes in when you're in deliberations. it
you have it, if you have motive as a prosecutor, you're going to give that reason. >> steinglass said in the closing, in the simplest of term s, stormy daniels is the motive. >> it is like merchan is listening to us. we're asking and he's answering. merchan, some jurors took notes, any notes taken are only made from your memory and should not take precedence over the evidence. those jurors who chose not to take notes and rely on their recollections, the jurors cannot substitute the...
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steinglass says that this was all done to cover up an election law violation. what you say? >> if they didn't need cohen, they wouldn't have called cohen. nobody wants that cancer around and prosecutors called him because they needed to call him. and when things didn't go their way, they are saying you don't need him. we don't need steinglass. the most generic things that prosecutors say. of course they need him. tthe whole defense hinges upon that cohen was telling the truth about things that he and trump did. we know that cohen did that but he's playing the pronoun game. i turned into week meaning he was my coconspirator. he knew everything i was doing and you really do need cohen to be critical if you prove the case. >> sandra: i want to read through these before i say them out loud because you don't know. this is an update. i will go to this one from jonathan turley. he says the prosecution, steinglass is slamming trump for seeking to rig a polling and plant stories. is that now also the mysterious crime? campaigns including the clinton campaign regularly killed and plan
steinglass says that this was all done to cover up an election law violation. what you say? >> if they didn't need cohen, they wouldn't have called cohen. nobody wants that cancer around and prosecutors called him because they needed to call him. and when things didn't go their way, they are saying you don't need him. we don't need steinglass. the most generic things that prosecutors say. of course they need him. tthe whole defense hinges upon that cohen was telling the truth about things...
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but steinglass took that head on arguing cohen is understandably angry because mr. trump dropped him like a hot potato after the feds came calling in 2018 and urging jurors to see this case not about michael cohen, it's about donald trump. in his closing arguments, trump attorney todd blanch tore into the prosecution's case and blasting cohen as the human embodiy of reasonable doubt and branding him the greatest liar of all time and the mvp of liars saying he lied to congress, judges, prosecutors, bankers, his family. adding he came in here and raised his right hand and lied to each of you repeatedly and pointing to one of the trial's most dramatic moments when cohen was confronted with phone records suggesting he never spoke to mr. trump about daniels in a 2016 phone call lasting just 96 seconds but, instead, called mr. trump's bodyguard. blanche arguing, quote. he struck at the 34 felony counts that mr. trump faces to allegedly falsifying his business records arguing none of the voices, vouchers, or checks were falls saying the legal retainer language on the recor
but steinglass took that head on arguing cohen is understandably angry because mr. trump dropped him like a hot potato after the feds came calling in 2018 and urging jurors to see this case not about michael cohen, it's about donald trump. in his closing arguments, trump attorney todd blanch tore into the prosecution's case and blasting cohen as the human embodiy of reasonable doubt and branding him the greatest liar of all time and the mvp of liars saying he lied to congress, judges,...
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instituter josh steinglass insisting he has no control over cohen, adding, "we had repeatedly, repeatedly asked the witnesses not to do that." the judge is asking him to refrain from making any more statements from this case and to make it clear "you are communicating that on behalf of the bench." trump unsatisfied. >> everybody can say whatever they want. they can say whatever they want, but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. >> reporter: but trump's lawyers did notch a clear win today. the judge ruling prosecutors could not show the jury a 1999 video of trump bragging about his knowledge of campaign finance laws. >> i think nobody knows more about campaign finance than i do. >> reporter: prosecutors wanted to use to it show trump would have known cohen's hush money arrangement with daniels amounted to an illegal campaign contribution. but the. >> juju: ruled that out telling prosecutors, "you're asking the jurors to draw an inference that because mr. trump knew them in 1999, he knew them in 2016. that's a lot of speculation." michael cohen is on the witness stand here monday
instituter josh steinglass insisting he has no control over cohen, adding, "we had repeatedly, repeatedly asked the witnesses not to do that." the judge is asking him to refrain from making any more statements from this case and to make it clear "you are communicating that on behalf of the bench." trump unsatisfied. >> everybody can say whatever they want. they can say whatever they want, but i'm not allowed to say anything about anybody. >> reporter: but trump's...
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, so steinglass argues that after 2018, cohen started telling the truth, and that has not changed. geoff: in the time that remains, talk about the federal classified documents case against donald trump, because special counsel jack smith, his office just denied a request for gag order on donald trump following an extraordinary allegation donald trump made. bring us up to speed on that. william: again, geoff, "extraordinary" is absolutely the right word. donald trump accused president biden of sending fbi agent's to his home with the intent to assassinate him. this goes back to the execution of these search warrant that the fbi did looking for the classified documents two years ago, and as we know, they found many classified documents at trump posey home. some documents were recently unsealed this week, and in them, trump steel -- seized on boilerplate language about how the fbi executes these types of search warrants. even though they are completely routine, basic boilerplate language, trump exaggerated what happened. he said out a fundraising email. it said biden's doj was itching
, so steinglass argues that after 2018, cohen started telling the truth, and that has not changed. geoff: in the time that remains, talk about the federal classified documents case against donald trump, because special counsel jack smith, his office just denied a request for gag order on donald trump following an extraordinary allegation donald trump made. bring us up to speed on that. william: again, geoff, "extraordinary" is absolutely the right word. donald trump accused president...
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and steinglass said, and i'll go to stacy is one steinglass said something along the lines. have you have to look at this entire three entire conspiracy in the prosecution's view through the lens of the august 2015 trump tower meeting yeah, the august 15th trump tower meeting really started the action allegedly, the prosecution's case says of aiding and abetting the camp i'm paying because remember this whole trial in the beginning, everyone was questioning, well, catch and kill, isn't necessarily illegal. >> celebrities have been doing it for a long time. they, by and barry information, if you can afford it, you can bury it the difference is in this case is that trump was no longer just a celebrity at the time. he was now a candidate running for office. and he was there subject to specific laws. one of the laws that didn't get a lot of play until the very end during the jury instructions but there's a new york state election law that says when two or more people conspire to promote a candidate to office by unlawful means. that is a crime that really is a crime that i think
and steinglass said, and i'll go to stacy is one steinglass said something along the lines. have you have to look at this entire three entire conspiracy in the prosecution's view through the lens of the august 2015 trump tower meeting yeah, the august 15th trump tower meeting really started the action allegedly, the prosecution's case says of aiding and abetting the camp i'm paying because remember this whole trial in the beginning, everyone was questioning, well, catch and kill, isn't...
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steinglass says we will not call in a paralegal. parties have agreed, and we can move on. >> this means no witness? >> catherine, what happened here? >> it's a silly argument, and it seems like instead of the video, there will be a photo, if this is correct. let's move on, get this over with. >> the judge basically said i'm allowing it, at which point, the defense, in order to be able to move ahead with their witnesses, you know, basically being pressured. you know what, you're going to have a delay. >> this will be introduced. they can start the questioning of michael cohen, and they can use this still image. they can say, look, they were together, and ask him a question about that moment. >> judge merchan says mr. blanche, do you consent. yes. a strategic decision you discussed with your client, yes. judge merchan, let's get the witness. >> that last part goes back to what i was saying is the judges being very careful about making sure for any defendant that the defendant is aware of what's going on. it's not just this case. they
steinglass says we will not call in a paralegal. parties have agreed, and we can move on. >> this means no witness? >> catherine, what happened here? >> it's a silly argument, and it seems like instead of the video, there will be a photo, if this is correct. let's move on, get this over with. >> the judge basically said i'm allowing it, at which point, the defense, in order to be able to move ahead with their witnesses, you know, basically being pressured. you know what,...
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and the part about him being angry, you know, steinglass did really well with this, too. he was like, yeah, because this is the guy who escaped justice. michael cohen served this time and this is the guy who got away. so, yeah, he's angry. and i felt like that ability to cut through the noise and just appeal to people's emotions and common sense like how would you feel if you were in this situation, i just thought he couldn't have done better. >> i thought he did a very good job -- i say this with no legal expertise but someone who's been on a jury and someone who's covered this story for a long time he said you see what i see. you didn't see any sex with these women. i thought stipe gls said i see what you see, we didn't get him from the witness store, which i love. and i borrowed the anchor store from that. i appreciate that sometime said it's human intelligence, not all legal strategic. >> absolutely. >> thank you for talking with us on this first day. we don't know how many days there's going to be of jury deliberations. thank you so much for starting us off this hour
and the part about him being angry, you know, steinglass did really well with this, too. he was like, yeah, because this is the guy who escaped justice. michael cohen served this time and this is the guy who got away. so, yeah, he's angry. and i felt like that ability to cut through the noise and just appeal to people's emotions and common sense like how would you feel if you were in this situation, i just thought he couldn't have done better. >> i thought he did a very good job -- i say...
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. >> reporter: prosecutor joshua steinglass told jurors that packer, cohen, and trump met at trump tower to sort out the arrangement. the scheme by these men could be what got president trump elected, he said. stein glass called at election for august, and the "national enquirer," a covert arm up at the trump campaign. during their closing argument, the defense team hammered cohen's credibility, claiming he lied on the stand and called him the gloat, the greatest liar of all time. tensions flared when todd blanche told jurors you cannot sense a buddy to present based upon the words of michael cohen. that enraged judge juan rochon who clarified a prison sentence is not required in this case even ink him fiction, and told them to disregard the remark. why do you think todd blanche testified the balance in where i could go with closing arguments? >> he knew we could get away with it. it was a cheap shot and he got awa with it. >> reporter: attacking the proceedings outside of the courthouse. >> he is the toughest man i have ever seen any hand or is this nonsense everything a day. >> reporte
. >> reporter: prosecutor joshua steinglass told jurors that packer, cohen, and trump met at trump tower to sort out the arrangement. the scheme by these men could be what got president trump elected, he said. stein glass called at election for august, and the "national enquirer," a covert arm up at the trump campaign. during their closing argument, the defense team hammered cohen's credibility, claiming he lied on the stand and called him the gloat, the greatest liar of all...
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the very documents that josh steinglass told the jury were the two smoking guns in the case. as todd blanche was concerned they just never saw that. it never happened. it was like two different cases you were watching unfold before your eyes. >> they wept on and on, kristy about this retainer agreement was absolutely for legal services because would michael cohen have done everything for free at the same time they were contending michael cohen paid stormy daniels out of his own sort of pocket because he loved donald trump and wanted to stay in his good graces. >> right. it makes no sense whatsoever. and i think the way to deal with some of that would have been you just argued, yeah, donald trump didn't see it because the only way those documents came before donald trump was michael cohen's testimony that allen weisselberg and michael cohen showed those documents to donald trump. just say no, they didn't and focus on that piece. and instead you never got there because, again, it was so -- so unfocused. >> they were always trying to go back to trump's overall innocence in this,
the very documents that josh steinglass told the jury were the two smoking guns in the case. as todd blanche was concerned they just never saw that. it never happened. it was like two different cases you were watching unfold before your eyes. >> they wept on and on, kristy about this retainer agreement was absolutely for legal services because would michael cohen have done everything for free at the same time they were contending michael cohen paid stormy daniels out of his own sort of...
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steinglass, i think some of you probably saw him speak for a little bit. >> the other day. so he's done his job as has this team and he just told me to tell him how i feel. i think you said that i will just say just enormous gratitude. our system i talked about the jurors at the beginning of. my remarks we have a phenomenal system 12 every day new yorkers, they listened to the judge's directions. they follow the evidence you saw them in court every day there were careful and attentive. and so i feel deep gratitude, work alongside them to be a part of this system and i just want to echo that. this is what we're doing every single day i mean, during this trial just this week all right. ghost gun indictment grim, all these wage theft plea resolution sex crimes convictions all sorts of work that's being done by phenomenal public servant. so we're, we're before you today on this. obviously consequential matter but this is what we do every day. we follow the facts in the law without fear or favor if a jail sentence of cards is likely that trump and his attorneys seek a stay on en
steinglass, i think some of you probably saw him speak for a little bit. >> the other day. so he's done his job as has this team and he just told me to tell him how i feel. i think you said that i will just say just enormous gratitude. our system i talked about the jurors at the beginning of. my remarks we have a phenomenal system 12 every day new yorkers, they listened to the judge's directions. they follow the evidence you saw them in court every day there were careful and attentive....
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and things that steinglass argued. so it is just such a black curtain right now that everything is behind. >> i want to show you something they said on fox about these jurors. not to take anything away from your advocacy, but when you have a setting and a lot of them work closely with the president, it is not exactly a random jury is it? >> that's very interesting. that jury, witnesses, there were victims of the day. quote. and. >> quote victims or just victims? >> well, quote victims. >> not real victims. but they had to run for their lives? >> my point is if you are the victim, you can't be the judge and the jury too. >> i actually understand the legal point you are raising. but you lost me on quote. but, i want to play this for you. >> it's a fairness question. >> i want to play this for you, because think distinction there was that, that was a certain type of jury. here you have the 12 new yorkers we don't know much about. but some people in trump world are eyeing one of them as potentially helpful. here is fox. ta
and things that steinglass argued. so it is just such a black curtain right now that everything is behind. >> i want to show you something they said on fox about these jurors. not to take anything away from your advocacy, but when you have a setting and a lot of them work closely with the president, it is not exactly a random jury is it? >> that's very interesting. that jury, witnesses, there were victims of the day. quote. and. >> quote victims or just victims? >> well,...
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what's important is joshua steinglass touched on all of this. i was looking like the contrarian whichd, i didn't have a problem with the four hours from joshua steinglass. the reason is he had one bite at the apple. he was the last voice heard by the jury. he had to go through all the evidence. the reason why i bring that up is steinglass said in his closing arguments, the value of what was provided from these catch and kill schemes was invaluable. you couldn't actually put a price tag on it. because it helped him in a way you couldn't put a dollar sign on it. i think also, we need to remember, there have been 22 witnesses in this case. six weeks of trial. david pecker was the first witness that was called. >> that's right, yes. >> to and some extent, it could be as much as, i need to have a refresh of my recollection, to use a trial term, of what david pecker said. it also could go to the accomplice as a matter of law jury instructions, page 22. >> let me turn in my hymnbook, hold on a second. >> this is the jury direction that a lot of us rais
what's important is joshua steinglass touched on all of this. i was looking like the contrarian whichd, i didn't have a problem with the four hours from joshua steinglass. the reason is he had one bite at the apple. he was the last voice heard by the jury. he had to go through all the evidence. the reason why i bring that up is steinglass said in his closing arguments, the value of what was provided from these catch and kill schemes was invaluable. you couldn't actually put a price tag on it....
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steinglass said about what. davidson, stormy daniels settlement. all right. let's try to figure out what's going on here. back with us, adam pollock and catherine christian. we're looking at the same transcript and trying to decipher it. emil bove is trying to punch into this. what was the prosecution doing at first, playing this phone call and having michael cohen say what about me, what about me, what about me, and he keeps saying we did it. >> the prosecution is trying to bring mr. trump into it. so i said before that we so far, no one is saying that trump is directly involved with ms. daniels in the payoff or this lawyer. this is a back way. keith davidson saying michael cohen told him that, and he can't even say that michael cohen told him it was trump. if his belief, he believes it's trump. if i'm a defense attorney, i'll tear through that. your belief, the re-cross will be really? >> what makes you think it's donald trump. you might think it. you don't know it. also i'm struck by the tone of michael cohen here, this scorned lover that the defense wants
steinglass said about what. davidson, stormy daniels settlement. all right. let's try to figure out what's going on here. back with us, adam pollock and catherine christian. we're looking at the same transcript and trying to decipher it. emil bove is trying to punch into this. what was the prosecution doing at first, playing this phone call and having michael cohen say what about me, what about me, what about me, and he keeps saying we did it. >> the prosecution is trying to bring mr....
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prosecutor joshua steinglass addressing critics of the case, "you may say, who cares. who cares if mr. trump slept with a porn star ten years before the 2016 election," but adding "it's hard to say that the american people don't have the right to decide for themselves." and the prosecutor acknowledging michael cohen's a complicated witness, saying "the defense goes on and on about michael cohen is immoral or a liar or a thief. we didn't choose michael cohen to be a witness. we didn't pick him up at a witness store. the defendant chose him as a fixer because he was willing to lie and cheat." and the prosecution in their closing argument also bringing up that "access hollywood" tape, directly refuting what the defense had said, arguing, "the defendant's primary concern was not his family, but the election." jurors watched it all intently, along with trump's eldest sons and daughter tiffany, who joined him in court today. but notably absent, daughter ivanka and trump's wife, melania. >> david: so let's get live to aaron katersky live outside the courthouse. the jury agree
prosecutor joshua steinglass addressing critics of the case, "you may say, who cares. who cares if mr. trump slept with a porn star ten years before the 2016 election," but adding "it's hard to say that the american people don't have the right to decide for themselves." and the prosecutor acknowledging michael cohen's a complicated witness, saying "the defense goes on and on about michael cohen is immoral or a liar or a thief. we didn't choose michael cohen to be a...
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prosecutor joshua steinglass said we didn't pick him up in a witness store. the defendant picked him as a fixer because he was willing to lie and cheat. the 12 person jury, 5 women and 7 men, includes 2 native new yorkers and 2 immigrants. there are two attorneys, a speech therapist, and a teacher. they all said they could be fair and impartial. the judge with a final message, urging them to listen to each other, but saying "you should not surrender an honest view of the evidence simply because you want the trial to end or because you're outvoted." trump speaking outside court -- >> mother teresa could not beat this charge, but we'll see. >> prosecutors stood over thick stacks of transcripts hashing out which portion of the testimony to re-read to the jury in addition to the judge's instruction, that's where the jury will pick up first thing tomorrow morning, david. >> david: aaron katersky leading us off at the course house. thank you. let's get to legal analyst dan abrams tonight to answer some of your questions likely at home. first of all, this was really
prosecutor joshua steinglass said we didn't pick him up in a witness store. the defendant picked him as a fixer because he was willing to lie and cheat. the 12 person jury, 5 women and 7 men, includes 2 native new yorkers and 2 immigrants. there are two attorneys, a speech therapist, and a teacher. they all said they could be fair and impartial. the judge with a final message, urging them to listen to each other, but saying "you should not surrender an honest view of the evidence simply...
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but it will be up to josh steinglass to sort of weave this story. i agree with harry. don't bore a jury to death. keep it simple. keep it tight. >> dasha, catherine, and harry, we have some interesting days ahead. thank you all for kicking it off for us on this memorial day. join us for special coverage kicking off 10:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow and don't miss our prime time coverage as well. that starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> up next, decision 2024. two different approaches from the president and the former president as the summer stretch of the campaign kicks off. we're back in 90 seconds. smile! you found it. the feeling of finding psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't ta
but it will be up to josh steinglass to sort of weave this story. i agree with harry. don't bore a jury to death. keep it simple. keep it tight. >> dasha, catherine, and harry, we have some interesting days ahead. thank you all for kicking it off for us on this memorial day. join us for special coverage kicking off 10:00 a.m. eastern tomorrow and don't miss our prime time coverage as well. that starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> up next, decision 2024. two different approaches from...