timms, thank you very much for joining >> so stephen timms, thank you very much forjoining us.w you've got to go, but thank you for your time. henry hill was in the studio listening to all of this, and henry just firstly, your reaction to that extraordinary poll? >> well, it's going to be an exciting election night for conservative home, isn't it? i think the, the interesting thing about this is going to be finding out which pollsters have built the best model , because an built the best model, because an mrp, what an mrp really means is that instead of simply applying national swing to the results of the last election, they actually try and do a calculation in each individual seat. yougov got it bang on, as you say in 2017, but an mp is only good as the assumptions in your model. and so that's why we've got people doing msps that have such wildly different results. >> all of them show a bigger defeat than 1990. >> no. oh yeah. no, that's not in doubt at this point i don't think. i mean, but there is a world of difference between 60 seats and 150 seats. >> right. but this one,

timms, a really solid performer who understands government, who's come back into government.ir has been doing is choosing people who've got real experience of delivery within government and compare and contrast the experience of government within this new labour government in 1997, there are only two ministers, in one of whom was a cousin of mine. >> lord morris of aberavon, who was related via my mother and grandfather, in which case it was three, because it was jack cunningham and margaret beckett as well . so but john morris came as well. so but john morris came in as well, and now we've got about 12 to 15 who've got experience. and that really helps because understanding how government works is how you pull the levers of government and actually, dare i say it, whisper it quietly, having sue gray, who knows more about the machinery of government than anybody else, is not a bad appointment. >> absolutely. i mean , i had >> absolutely. i mean, i had some interactions with her in government and she was scrupulously non—party political. but she's a superb operator and she also

timms, a really solid performer who understands government, who's come back into government.t keir has been doing is choosing people who've got real experience of delivery within government and compare and contrast the experience of government within this new labour government in 1997, there are only two ministers, in one of whom was a cousin of mine. >> lord morris of aberavon, who was related via my mother and grandfather, in which case it was three, because it was jack cunningham and margaret beckett as well . so but john morris came as well. so but john morris came in as well, and now we've got about 12 to 15 who've got experience. and that really helps because understanding how government works is how you pull the levers of government and actually, dare i say it, whisper it quietly, having sue gray, who knows more about the machinery of government than anybody else, is not a bad appointment. >> absolutely. i mean , i had >> absolutely. i mean, i had some interactions with her in government and she was scrupulously non—party political. but she's a superb operator and she

>> well, we're going to be talking to stephen timms of the labour party on what is expected to be a superaps supercalifragilistic supercalifragilistic . what on supercalifragilistic. what on earth am i trying to do ? earth am i trying to do? majority according to these latest polls. but we're also going to be looking at postal votes. the uk is only one of seven countries around the world. seven major countries where you can get a postal vote on demand. every other country attaches some qualification. you have to be infirm. you have to be disabled. you have to be away for some reason. do we have far too liberal a system of postal voting in this country? and is that causing some of the problems? too many people having postal votes that don't need them? and is that causing some of the problems with delivery? we'll be getting into that discussion as well. but that's not all. we've got a gb news exclusive on that channel 4 sting into reform uk. what exactly did they ask those activists? >> oh, wonderful. well stay tuned for that. i'm going to be back tomorrow at 7 pm. but up next is the weathe

timms, many years ago now it's one of the it's just it's a deeply unfortunate because that constituency >> but maybe we have to grow up now. it's a different world. i mean, i when you watch the tv news and you see an mp walking down whitehall or something up to downing street and being harassed by reporters and camera crews, that's fine. that's one thing. but then you think how vulnerable are they? and just walking up the street. yeah. and their mps and maybe, you know, when, when they announce a new cabinet or something and you see them coming off the main off whitehall and coming into downing street walking, i think, why do we expect our mps to be so vulnerable? i think maybe we're not growing up when they're walking up downing street. >> they are surrounded by security. yeah, but they get to downing street by walking up whitehall. >> but and they're yelled at and harassed on the way. but i've campaigned with nigel farage in the past. >> sometimes it's been absolutely bloody. it's been awful. i remember being locked effectively in a shop with him when there was an angry mob outside ba