corporate funding is provided by stephens inc. and by pfizer inc. - coleman hughes, welcome to "firing line." - it a pleasure to be here. - you are a writer, a podcaster, a musician, and you have recently written a book, "the end of race politics: arguments for a colorblind america." the concept of a colorblind america is often misunderstood. when you say, "a colorblind america," what do you mean? - so when i say, "a colorblind america," i mean, you're white, i'm black and hispanic, but i'm gonna try to treat you without regard to your race, and i'm gonna ask you to treat me without regard to my race, to the extent that we can. and we're both gonna ask the government to never treat us differently with regard to our race. and wherever the state has an interest in helping disadvantaged people, we ask that you do that on the basis of class and socioeconomics, not on the basis of race. that's what i mean by colorblindness. now, what the critics of colorblindness have portrayed it as is, "pretending not to see race," right? and that just seems totally na