and steve chu said, wow, i'll come. us set up at best a carbon tax, i'm sure steve chu would have said, i can do that perfectly fine advising you from stanford. so how do you make it really ambitious, an honour, exciting to work inside the civil service? you have to change how you think about the civil service, instead of constantly attacking it, dismissing it. i began the entrepreneurial state with a quote from david cameron, who said, civil servants are the enemies of enterprise. well, if that's how you talk, what's going to happen? you're going to have a haemorrhaging of talent from the civil service. so what would they have to do to get mariana mazzucato into government instead of flying around the world advising governments? well, first of all, i don't just fly around the world, i spent a lot of time setting up a whole department, notjust an institute, a department at university college, london, on this concept of public purpose and public sector capacity. sure, but is there a bit of you that sometimes sits with pe