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sadow, in the georgia case. he's going to argue that, look, the whole indictment should be against trump should be thrown out because the actions described in there and in the criminal charges against trump are protected by the first amendment, by the political speech protections in the first amendment, i want to read what say it out, wrote in his in his motion submitted to the court before today's hearing, he wrote the first amendment and affording the broadest protection to political speech and discussion regarding governmental affairs. not only embraces, but encourages exactly the kind of behavior under attack in this indictment. as you mentioned, too, we've heard similar arguments that have been made in front of judge mcafee and in other cases that have not been successful. so it'll be interesting to see if mcafee, how he questions trump's attorney and what how prosecutors pushed back against that argument today in open court, as you mentioned, is it's all gonna be broadcast labs. we will get to see it for o
sadow, in the georgia case. he's going to argue that, look, the whole indictment should be against trump should be thrown out because the actions described in there and in the criminal charges against trump are protected by the first amendment, by the political speech protections in the first amendment, i want to read what say it out, wrote in his in his motion submitted to the court before today's hearing, he wrote the first amendment and affording the broadest protection to political speech...
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steve sadow has told me in conversation he has every intention of doing just that, and he's got untilday to file that paperwork. so we know that there's going to be an appeal, but what's interesting about this, chris, is that we now have two parallel tracks playing out, while this makes its way through the appeals court, we wait to see whether it's going to be taken up, what happens there. it's also going to be moving full steam ahead here in the fulton county court. so we know that what we had before was all of this was kind of lumped together basically, nothing was moving forward in the case until we decided, until the issue of whether fani willis would stay on the case was actually decided. now those two things are separate. the appeals process is going to be moving forward. there is a chance the judges make a different decision. at the same time the time line in fulton county is going to be moving ahead as well. >> until we get to the actual trial or any actual trial, right, assuming we know which one is coming next, do any of these wins or losses in court do you think affect the
steve sadow has told me in conversation he has every intention of doing just that, and he's got untilday to file that paperwork. so we know that there's going to be an appeal, but what's interesting about this, chris, is that we now have two parallel tracks playing out, while this makes its way through the appeals court, we wait to see whether it's going to be taken up, what happens there. it's also going to be moving full steam ahead here in the fulton county court. so we know that what we had...
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you heard judge mcafee ask steve sadow, preponderance of the evidence is the standard. they have to carry the burden, proving through a preponderance of the evidence that an actual conflict of interest exists, then judge mcafee will deny this motion. when mcafee says suggestive, yes, there are things that are suggestive of a conflict. but is suggestive the same as preponderance of the evidence, and of course steve sadow had to say, no, it's not. even if judge mcafee doesn't like what he's heard, legally speaking, that's a problem for the defense. the other thing you have heard today is the judge keeps on asking him where does the proof come in, if you make this big deal about fani willis's team not bringing in proof of the cash withdrawals or the cash reimbursements to nathan wade, mcafee is like isn't that your problem, your burden to carry to prove these things. those are critical questions that mcafee asked of the defense, speaks to what he is thinking. lastly, immateriality. what is mcafee trying to get. the defense has been doing a dance on the answer. they're sayi
you heard judge mcafee ask steve sadow, preponderance of the evidence is the standard. they have to carry the burden, proving through a preponderance of the evidence that an actual conflict of interest exists, then judge mcafee will deny this motion. when mcafee says suggestive, yes, there are things that are suggestive of a conflict. but is suggestive the same as preponderance of the evidence, and of course steve sadow had to say, no, it's not. even if judge mcafee doesn't like what he's...
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the defense, for example, trump lawyer steve sadow ind kaet kating he's going to appeal the decisionn order to do so the prosecuting counsel in the state of georgia has indicated there would have to be an appeal of this decision to that counsel to review it, and so we're going to be seeing, and keeping tabs on what happens. >> any news yet from trump's legal team? >> other than the fact that they've indicated that they're interested in appealing this decision, they've also indicated that they are disappointed with the decision, stating that the court did not afford appropriate significance to the prosecutorial misconduct of willis and wade but those are the arguments advanced during the course of this multi-day, multi-hour evidentiary hearing. >> greg, we have an ultimatum for fani willis, does that surprise you? >> i don't know how surprising it is. it cures this legal problem, but it comes is a steep price. nathan wade is experienced, tenacious, and has been involved for three years now. her credibility has been under attack through these extraordinary hearings that could undermine
the defense, for example, trump lawyer steve sadow ind kaet kating he's going to appeal the decisionn order to do so the prosecuting counsel in the state of georgia has indicated there would have to be an appeal of this decision to that counsel to review it, and so we're going to be seeing, and keeping tabs on what happens. >> any news yet from trump's legal team? >> other than the fact that they've indicated that they're interested in appealing this decision, they've also indicated...
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we've asked steve sadow who sent us this motion. we've asked ashleigh merchant, who also forwarded this ruling to comment on this on the record and they have not said yet what their reaction is. and that's a big indicator that this is a hue which when again, for fulton county district attorney fani willis and her team, john nick valencia. thank you so much and may take it from here. let's go now to laura coates. laura there are these two ideas. one is whether there was actual proof of impropriety and the other idea that is brought into this case, which the judge mentioned is the appearance of impropriety he said, yes, there was the appearance, but not the proof explain all of this and how this sort of panned out for the judge this was so consequential if you remember at the end of the last hearing, you heard from the da's office, they were defending against this motion to >> disqualify fani willis and the entire team. this question of well, isn't appearance of impropriety and appearance of a conflict going to be enough. most people
we've asked steve sadow who sent us this motion. we've asked ashleigh merchant, who also forwarded this ruling to comment on this on the record and they have not said yet what their reaction is. and that's a big indicator that this is a hue which when again, for fulton county district attorney fani willis and her team, john nick valencia. thank you so much and may take it from here. let's go now to laura coates. laura there are these two ideas. one is whether there was actual proof of...
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listen to the exchange between steve sadow, trump's attorney and i'm awake vered for the fulton county da's office >> i don't think there's any question that statements comments, speech expressive conduct that deals with campaigning or elections has always been found to be at the zenith. of protected speech. >> it's almost saying that because these statements are false, that these charges, you should be dismissed it's like, well, you can't punish falsity on its own and yet each time you look at the charge, the government saying the state is saying that he lied so that must be the end of the array. but that's not the end of the inquiry at all. that's not what the indictment says >> the judge also heard arguments for the attorney for dave schafer, who's the former state head of the gop party here in georgia. the point man of the so-called fake electors scheme, who tried to argue that his client was not trying to subvert democracy by participating as a fake elector, but rather trump hi to give his candidate a legal fight a chance to challenge this election. so we're still waiting for judg
listen to the exchange between steve sadow, trump's attorney and i'm awake vered for the fulton county da's office >> i don't think there's any question that statements comments, speech expressive conduct that deals with campaigning or elections has always been found to be at the zenith. of protected speech. >> it's almost saying that because these statements are false, that these charges, you should be dismissed it's like, well, you can't punish falsity on its own and yet each time...
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sadow, says he will use all legal options available as we continue to fight to end this case. also tonight, trump's former vice president, mike pence, tells fox news, he will not endorse trump, in part because of his actions on january 6th >> donald trump is pursuing and articulating an agenda that is at odds with the conservative agenda that we governed on during our four years, and that's why i cannot in good conscience endorse donald trump in this campaign >> reporter: yet another political headwind for a candidate already facing several legal ones blayne alexander, nbc news, atlanta. >> and laura jarrett back with me laura, we know the manhattan case is delayed. we talked about that but what's the story in georgia where does that move forward from here? >> well, lester, this was already unlikely to happen before the election, and after this two-month detour over the prosecution team, the chances now even more remote the d.a. now has to figure out a new lead prosecutor, plus, the judge still hasn't resolved mr. trump's claims of presidential immunity >> and that's also a ke
sadow, says he will use all legal options available as we continue to fight to end this case. also tonight, trump's former vice president, mike pence, tells fox news, he will not endorse trump, in part because of his actions on january 6th >> donald trump is pursuing and articulating an agenda that is at odds with the conservative agenda that we governed on during our four years, and that's why i cannot in good conscience endorse donald trump in this campaign >> reporter: yet...
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there are these cell phone records and cell phone location data that steve sadow wants to admit. if judge mcafee decides those are appropriate to look at, we might be looking at a little bit longer period of time before he makes an eventual decision. but eventually he will come to a decision that either fani willis needs to be disqualified because there is a conflict of interest here, or there isn't. i tend to believe that even if there is a problem with fani willis and nathan wade's veracity there that there isn't a disqualifying interest here. where it leaves us is the case would likely stay with the fulton county's d.a. office, but if he finds that they were not credible and that they lied on the stand, the consequences for them personally would be ethical ones and ones that would be referred to at least the georgia state bar and they may have problems beyond that too. so we may end up with a d.a.'s office that retains the case, and a d.a. and her special prosecutor that have individual problems that go far beyond this case, jose. >> and, katie, things changed when that affida
there are these cell phone records and cell phone location data that steve sadow wants to admit. if judge mcafee decides those are appropriate to look at, we might be looking at a little bit longer period of time before he makes an eventual decision. but eventually he will come to a decision that either fani willis needs to be disqualified because there is a conflict of interest here, or there isn't. i tend to believe that even if there is a problem with fani willis and nathan wade's veracity...
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basically the attorney for donald trump steve sadow was making the argument that the allegations in thisl speech and were protected by the first amendment. the state pushed back on that and basically said that everything that was being alleged is part of an underlying act that makes up the alleged criminal conspiracy for which the former president is being charged as well. here's a little bit of what we heard in the courtroom. first hear from steve sadow, the attorney for trump, followed by the argument from the state. >> clearly being president of the united states at the time dealing with elections and campaigning, calling into question whether what had occurred at least in the election of 2020 for president, that's the height of political speech. >> he's free to make statements and to file lawsuits and to make other legitimate protests. what he is not allowed to do is employ his speech and his expression and his statements as part of a criminal conspiracy to violate georgia's rico statute, to impersonate public officers, to file false documents and make false statements to the governm
basically the attorney for donald trump steve sadow was making the argument that the allegations in thisl speech and were protected by the first amendment. the state pushed back on that and basically said that everything that was being alleged is part of an underlying act that makes up the alleged criminal conspiracy for which the former president is being charged as well. here's a little bit of what we heard in the courtroom. first hear from steve sadow, the attorney for trump, followed by the...
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that last person there who is speaking to the court with steve sadow. that is donald trump's attorney here. but shortly before that, we heard from the prosecution as the chief deputy district attorney was arguing against the disqualification of his boss, fani willis, who i should note was sitting behind members of her staff as the judge has now weighing her fate in this case. welcome to the lead. i'm kaitlan collins in for jake tapper on this friday. fani willis, of course, is the woman who charged trump with attempting to overturn the 2020 election in the state of georgia, along with a slew of co-defendants whose attorneys were also in that room. but now she herself is facing allegations of an improper relationship when the special prosecutor that she put on that case, if wallace has just qualified the case, could very well not happen. a, lot is at stake here i want to bring in cnn's chief legal analyst anchor laura coates, who's and watching every moment of this hearing has been an atlanta as part of this has been going on as well laura, i mean, the s
that last person there who is speaking to the court with steve sadow. that is donald trump's attorney here. but shortly before that, we heard from the prosecution as the chief deputy district attorney was arguing against the disqualification of his boss, fani willis, who i should note was sitting behind members of her staff as the judge has now weighing her fate in this case. welcome to the lead. i'm kaitlan collins in for jake tapper on this friday. fani willis, of course, is the woman who...
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attorney steve sadow said and that attorney for trump here in georgia, steve sadow says he is going to appeal this decision, which is likely to lead to even more delays prior to these claims coming forward. and these disqualifications, disqualification hearings, fani willis had asked for an august trial date, though it is still unclear she can get this case back on track for a trial before the november election. >> while nick valencia reporting for us. thank you very much. let's break all of this down with our legal and political experts and laura coates, let me start with you. finally, willis survive today, but not without very serious damage, right? >> there were some really, really thought-provoking and condemning statements that were made about fani willis and a lapse of judgment. the judge went on to talk about these issues in detail, including how he felt about her testimony and the credibility of various witnesses. remember these were all attorneys primarily who were testifying, save a couple of one who was a former employee of that office and say you're talking about lawyers ve
attorney steve sadow said and that attorney for trump here in georgia, steve sadow says he is going to appeal this decision, which is likely to lead to even more delays prior to these claims coming forward. and these disqualifications, disqualification hearings, fani willis had asked for an august trial date, though it is still unclear she can get this case back on track for a trial before the november election. >> while nick valencia reporting for us. thank you very much. let's break all...
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attorney steve sadow said trump's georgia attorney steve sadow is expected to appeal the decision which could lead to more delays prior to these allegations surfacing against fani willis. she had asked for an august trial date. what's unclear is if she can get this case back on track for a trial before the november election. unlike the federal charges that trump faces, state charges have different implications because even if trump wins the 2024 election, he would not be able to pardon himself from this case. danny amara >> nick valencia. thank you very much for more on this. let's get right over to constitutional law professor anthony michael christ. all right. anthony, i know that you were on tv for many hours yesterday, dissecting all this. you've been watching the case basically since the beginning tell me you've had a chance to sleep now that you've done that, does this feel like the right decision by the judge? >> well, i think it really is the what's prudent decision that he can make because he can keep the case in the hands of fani willis and fulton county district attorney's of
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>> yeah, look, steve sadow is feeling pretty good right now.trump also asked for a rico charge to be dismissed, which judge mcafee said, no, we're not -- i'm not going to dismiss. trump is left with ten counts against him. i think it is really interesting when you juxtapose this pace, a large sprawling rico indictment with jack smith's january 6th case, which is lean and mean, he could have charged that case as a conspiracy, but he chose to focus on one individual defendant, donald trump, because he wanted to get that case in or wants to get that case in before the election. this is what happens in rico trials. this is, you know, maybe this specifically couldn't have been anticipated, but when you have a case of this magnitude, and this many defendants, and this many defense attorneys coming up with their own ideas with motions to dismiss, you get these big bulky omnibus motions where different defendants are, you know, saying -- putting their hat into the ring with different motions, a lot of collaboration and it is their due process rights to
>> yeah, look, steve sadow is feeling pretty good right now.trump also asked for a rico charge to be dismissed, which judge mcafee said, no, we're not -- i'm not going to dismiss. trump is left with ten counts against him. i think it is really interesting when you juxtapose this pace, a large sprawling rico indictment with jack smith's january 6th case, which is lean and mean, he could have charged that case as a conspiracy, but he chose to focus on one individual defendant, donald trump,...
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attorney steve sadow said trump's georgia attorney steve sadow is expected to appeal the decision which could lead to more delays prior to these allegations surfacing against fani willis. she had asked for an august trial date. what's unclear is if she can get this case back on track for a trial before the november election. unlike the federal charges that trump faces state charges have different implications because even if trump wins the 2024 election he would not be able to pardon himself from this case. >> all right. thanks so much. a nick valencia here to discuss is former maryland prosecutor and the author of get off my neck. black lives, white justice, and a former prosecutors quest for reform will take about your book and a moment, debbie hinds. thank you so much for being with me. so let's talk about this georgia subversion case of 1st da fani willis likely has a deep bench on the team, right? lead prosecutor wade had more of a team manager roles, so legal victory for willis. she's still has a team. is wade easy to replace >> she had a difficult time even getting a special pros
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we did hear from steve sadow, he's the attorney for the former president, and we should expect an appeal but in the meantime, big questions remain. when will we see nathan wade's resignation letter? that is one of the most principal questions. and will the district attorney's office be able to get this case? back on track before the election. >> will mid valencia with the latest thank you very much. let's continue this discussion with our analysts joining us now, cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid, our national correspondent, kristen holmes, and cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig who is a former federal prosecutor paula, let me reiterate or repeat what we just saw. part of the ruling. very strong words from this judge. this finding is by no means an indication that the court condones this tremendous lapse in judgment or the unprofessional manner of the district attorney's testimony during the evidentiary hearing. that's very very strong language. yeah. there's a lot of strong language in here. this is an incredibly high stakes decision, and the judge had to show his work.
we did hear from steve sadow, he's the attorney for the former president, and we should expect an appeal but in the meantime, big questions remain. when will we see nathan wade's resignation letter? that is one of the most principal questions. and will the district attorney's office be able to get this case? back on track before the election. >> will mid valencia with the latest thank you very much. let's continue this discussion with our analysts joining us now, cnn chief legal affairs...
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attorney steve sadow said trump's georgia attorney steve sadow is expected to appeal the decision which could lead to more delays prior to these allegations surfacing against fani willis. she had asked for an august trial date. what's i'm clear is if she can get this case back on track for a trial before the november election unlike the federal charges that trump faces, these state charges have different implications because even if trump wins the 2024 election, he would not be able to pardon himself from this case. danny amara, nick valencia. thank you. joining us now for more on this let's cnn legal analyst, joey jackson. good morning to you. always great to see you. okay. so nathan wade has resigned, which means that fani willis can stay on the case. what's a reaction to the judge's decision? especially hearing the sharper rebuke from him, saying things like finding willis had a tremendous lapse in judgment. there was a significant appearance of impropriety what what is your take >> yammer. good morning to you. i think it was right on the law and right on the facts. why three broad i
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we got a statement from trump's lawyer, steve sadow. he essentially said, while respecting the court's decision, we believe that the court did not afford appropriate significance of the problem let's take each auriol misconduct of willis and wade, including the financial benefits testifying on truly about when their personal relationship began, as well as well as extra judicial mlk church speech, where she played the race card and falsely accused the defendants of their and their counsel of racism. then he continues and says, we will use all legal options available to continue to fight to end this case. what should have never been brought in the first place? that's exactly what you'd expect, right? they're not happy. fani willis gets to stay on the case >> that >> moving forward, they want this case would be dismissed. however, when you actually look at how they're going to use this, donald trump is going to repeat some of these lines and rallies. and i'm getting a lot of pushback already online for saying that donald trump trump is goi
we got a statement from trump's lawyer, steve sadow. he essentially said, while respecting the court's decision, we believe that the court did not afford appropriate significance of the problem let's take each auriol misconduct of willis and wade, including the financial benefits testifying on truly about when their personal relationship began, as well as well as extra judicial mlk church speech, where she played the race card and falsely accused the defendants of their and their counsel of...
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i mean, steve sadow, his attorneys calling it a victory, how does he see what happened today? >> trump in his socks are very happy about what happened today, but it is a temporary victory. it will be the bigger question is going to be it happens in terms of fani willis staying on this case, but this case is being fought and they all are but this one in particular, the georgia case, is fought on a pr grounds because there is an expectation this will not get heard this year at the rate that it's going. and so anything that trump and his team can do to chip away at a perception of validity in their minds is a good thing again legally this is a temporary win. but in the political realm, this is helpful to him. >> i mean, they kinda take the winter, they can get because they've had so many losses lately, but tomorrow, he is going to be in that courtroom in florida. he doesn't have to be there. right >> i know we've talked about how it's a political strategy, but is it also a legal strategy to show? >> i'm showing up here. i care about this to judge cannon in any way. >> i think it'
i mean, steve sadow, his attorneys calling it a victory, how does he see what happened today? >> trump in his socks are very happy about what happened today, but it is a temporary victory. it will be the bigger question is going to be it happens in terms of fani willis staying on this case, but this case is being fought and they all are but this one in particular, the georgia case, is fought on a pr grounds because there is an expectation this will not get heard this year at the rate that...
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but i think it's going to be very difficult i thought steve sadow, trump's lawyer did, a phenomenal jobl: you are referencing in georgia this is a pre-trial argument to your point it comes end result supposed to be justice in a courtroom. i have been of the opinion the process is the punishment. dragging him into a courtroom for all of these various cases in and of itself becomes the punishment? absolutely. as the prosecutors are want to say even when they lose a case, you didn't do the time but you took the ride. >> will: right. it's also that way in civil trials as well. i don't want to deal with the punishment that is the process of our justice case that caught my attention the justice department or is it, yeah. they have asked google to turn over the viewers of a video, reports say from forbes say the feds ordered google to reveal the identities of certain viewers to track down some who were suspects for buying bitcoin for cash. here's -- this is the description of their report undercover agents links youtube asked google for the information of who had viewed the videos. been watche
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. >> it's exactly what donald trump's attorney, steve sadow, and many of the other defense attorneys told the judge should be enough to remove her from the case. they said that there is enough in georgia law that should mean that an appearance of a conflict should get her kicked off, but that is exactly what the da argued against telling the judge immediately after we saw all of those, you know, high stakes evidentiary hearings saying that there is no case law, that just an appearance of conflict should lead to a disqualification, and urged the judge, really, really, in this, i think it was a 17 page filing saying there must be an actual conflict of interest. and as we just heard from aaron, the judge ultimately found that there was no actual conflict of interest, that the trips that they took together, that the money that was paid by nathan white's card member fani willis said she paid that back in cash, that she had no financial benefit. and that should dispel any idea that she had a financial stake in keeping the case going. so when the judge heard that, it seems that that seemed
. >> it's exactly what donald trump's attorney, steve sadow, and many of the other defense attorneys told the judge should be enough to remove her from the case. they said that there is enough in georgia law that should mean that an appearance of a conflict should get her kicked off, but that is exactly what the da argued against telling the judge immediately after we saw all of those, you know, high stakes evidentiary hearings saying that there is no case law, that just an appearance of...
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>> what we're really listening to, jose is steve sadow's attempt to say is underlying each of the countsformer president trump, whether it's the main rico count or some of the other conspiracy counts, there are conspiracies, for example, to make false statements or false writings, conspiracies to impersonate public officers, et cetera. he's saying that all of the underlying conduct that president -- former president trump is accused of here representing core political speech. and as such, his conduct is protected by the first amendment. the case that he is talking about right now, i can hear it in my ear, they're talking about a supreme court case called alvarez in which the supreme court threw a plurality, there wasn't a majority, but through a cobbling together of various opinions you could get to an outcome. that case stands for the proposition that a particular congressional law, the stolen valor act was ruled to be unconstitutional because what was said to be criminal under the stolen valor act was falsely relating that you had a particular medal or decoration conferred on you by th
>> what we're really listening to, jose is steve sadow's attempt to say is underlying each of the countsformer president trump, whether it's the main rico count or some of the other conspiracy counts, there are conspiracies, for example, to make false statements or false writings, conspiracies to impersonate public officers, et cetera. he's saying that all of the underlying conduct that president -- former president trump is accused of here representing core political speech. and as such,...
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basically today, steve sadow arguing that everything alleged in the indictment fell under first amendment protection, that it was nothing more than political speech. the state pushed back on that, of course, basically saying that all of those allegations contribute to the overall charge of a criminal enterprise. take a look at what happened today in court. >> when you look at the allegations against president trump, all of the allegations, all of the allegations involved expressive conduct or speech. we have false statements alleged in overt acts, and, again, all of which are political core value, political discourse. >> what we have heard here today is an attempt to rewrite the indictment, to take out the parts that are inconvenient and say it's all speech, all talking, and he was just a guy asking questions and not someone who was part of an over arching criminal conspiracy trying to overturn election results for an election he did not win. >> reporter: to underscore what we saw in court today was fairly routine. we saw defense attorneys doing what they do, trying to get the charges dis
basically today, steve sadow arguing that everything alleged in the indictment fell under first amendment protection, that it was nothing more than political speech. the state pushed back on that, of course, basically saying that all of those allegations contribute to the overall charge of a criminal enterprise. take a look at what happened today in court. >> when you look at the allegations against president trump, all of the allegations, all of the allegations involved expressive...
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sadow who has been the fulton county lawyer for trump. we believe that the court did not afford appropriate significance to the prosecutorial misconduct of willis and wade, including the financial benefits testifying on truthfully about their personal relationship when it began, as well as willis extra judicial mlk church speech, where she played the race card to falsely accused the defendants and their counsel of racism goes on to say, we will use all legal options available to continue to fight to end this case, which never should have been brought in the first place. unsurprising there that they're saying that this is not what they wanted, that they are going to continue to fight this. but if you're talking to people in trump's inner circle, this is good for them. they believe that this it is a win. they believe that fani willis sure. she's staying on the case. that's why they are saying, oh, this wasn't what we wanted, but she does come out of this damage and that's their belief. the other part of this. so you have to remember is that
sadow who has been the fulton county lawyer for trump. we believe that the court did not afford appropriate significance to the prosecutorial misconduct of willis and wade, including the financial benefits testifying on truthfully about their personal relationship when it began, as well as willis extra judicial mlk church speech, where she played the race card to falsely accused the defendants and their counsel of racism goes on to say, we will use all legal options available to continue to...
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just got a statement from steve sadow, the lead georgia attorney for the former president in this fultonis is good news for the former president, his legal team. here is a little bit of that statement. i want to read to you. he says within the last 15 minutes, the court made the correct legal decision to grant the special demurrers and quash important counts of the indictment brought by d.a. fani willis. the court made and he talked about the entire indictment, the entire prosecution of president trump is political, constitutes election interference and should be dismissed. so, that's what the former president's attorney is saying today. now, it is important to point out three of the counts have been dismissed. the former president is still facing ten counts here in georgia. and the judge actually made provisions and is allowing for fani willis should she so choose to seek a reindictment on those now quashed charges. so, that certainly is something. i spoke with a source who is familiar with the d.a.'s thinking, and i understand that the entire order this morning is under review by her o
just got a statement from steve sadow, the lead georgia attorney for the former president in this fultonis is good news for the former president, his legal team. here is a little bit of that statement. i want to read to you. he says within the last 15 minutes, the court made the correct legal decision to grant the special demurrers and quash important counts of the indictment brought by d.a. fani willis. the court made and he talked about the entire indictment, the entire prosecution of...
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sadow saying that this is an indication that the entire indictment should be dismissed. now, we don't want to confuse our viewers here. we are still waiting for judge mcafee is decision as to whether he's going to remove fani willis from prosecuting this case. you didn't mention in a recent interview with wsp radio in atlanta that he's going to have his decision by the end of this week. it's something that he reiterated to us in a chance encounter earlier. are supervising producer jason morris ran into scott mcafee outside of the steps of the courthouse where he did reiterate to cnn that he plans to have a decision on the timeline he has given himself dana ok. nic. >> thanks so much for that reporting. moments ago we heard here in washington from congressman jamie raskin, the top democrat on the house oversight committee, whose says he is not concerned about the judge's parse partial dismissal rather listen. to me is a reflection of the rule of law. >> i mean, without >> opining on this specific dismissal, i mean, i don't get upset when trump's team wins emotion in civil
sadow saying that this is an indication that the entire indictment should be dismissed. now, we don't want to confuse our viewers here. we are still waiting for judge mcafee is decision as to whether he's going to remove fani willis from prosecuting this case. you didn't mention in a recent interview with wsp radio in atlanta that he's going to have his decision by the end of this week. it's something that he reiterated to us in a chance encounter earlier. are supervising producer jason morris...
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attorney steve sadow said, those close to willis note the judge wasn't buying the idea that willis devised a financial scheme to enrich herself. and they're glad she could stay on the case but now she might not be able to take the case to trial before the november election. >> and nick valencia joins us now from atlanta. now that the judge was another, the judge has ruled neck that she can stay on the case and prosecuted. do we know more about when it might actually go to trial? >> well, trump's >> georgia attorneys expected to appeal the decision which could lead to more delays. anderson previously before these charges are before these allegations surface against fani willis, she'd asked for an august trial date and she was on track for that right now, the question is, can she get it back on track before the november election? unlike the federal charges that trump faces, the state charges have different implications because even if trump wins the 2024 election, he would not be able to pardon himself from these state charges. >> anderson, nick valencia. thanks so much perspective now from
attorney steve sadow said, those close to willis note the judge wasn't buying the idea that willis devised a financial scheme to enrich herself. and they're glad she could stay on the case but now she might not be able to take the case to trial before the november election. >> and nick valencia joins us now from atlanta. now that the judge was another, the judge has ruled neck that she can stay on the case and prosecuted. do we know more about when it might actually go to trial? >>...
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steve sadow, the former president's attorney here in georgia, has filed this along with eight other attorneys for co-defendants in this case, 840 the teen including the former chief of staff, mark meadows, and the personal attorney for donald trump, rudy giuliani. and what they're saying here is they're asking the appeals court to overturn judge mcafee decision and some really scathing language in this legal filing. this is what they're saying in part. >> d. willis has covered herself and her office and scandal and disrepute the trial court's decision not to disqualify da willis under these circumstances is a structural error, a violation the defendants due process rights and seriously denigrate the public's confidence in the integrity of the criminal justice system. we did reach out to the fulton county da's office. they declined to comment, but we should expect the response in writing. and so once the georgia appellate court has both those responses, they'll have 45 days to decide what to do next. but obviously, this really underscores just how fani willis is disqualification still lingers
steve sadow, the former president's attorney here in georgia, has filed this along with eight other attorneys for co-defendants in this case, 840 the teen including the former chief of staff, mark meadows, and the personal attorney for donald trump, rudy giuliani. and what they're saying here is they're asking the appeals court to overturn judge mcafee decision and some really scathing language in this legal filing. this is what they're saying in part. >> d. willis has covered herself and...
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. >> yeah, i mean, i think you here, steve sadow, trump's attorney. there's saying, look, these are tweets, these are phone calls and even if he is providing false statements, even if he's making false statements, that the way to handle this is to rebut them with truthful statements, not to prosecute the former president for the way he made these false statements. and i do think it was telling that we saw donald wake for one of the prosecutors on the da's team come up and say, this is not just about donald trump showing up going in front of america and lying. that's not what this is. this is about making sworn statements that you knew were false in documents and submitting those. so the government, this is about using those lies in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy, in furtherance of a scheme that violates georgia's rico law again, we sound another one of the prosecutors stand up and point out that not every one of these things that he did has to be a crime in and of itself. that's the way georgia's law works. the phone call itself doesn't have to
. >> yeah, i mean, i think you here, steve sadow, trump's attorney. there's saying, look, these are tweets, these are phone calls and even if he is providing false statements, even if he's making false statements, that the way to handle this is to rebut them with truthful statements, not to prosecute the former president for the way he made these false statements. and i do think it was telling that we saw donald wake for one of the prosecutors on the da's team come up and say, this is not...
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. >> of >> protected speech, >> which i'll, steve sadow objecting to the charges against trump arguing his client was protected by the first amendment when he spread lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 the election being stolen >> and we won the state >> noticeably absent from thursday's pretrial motions hearing, fani willis, who spoke out saturday at a community event. >> i'm not embarrassed. mighty thing. i've done the fulton county de narrowly survived staying on the case after more than two months of hearings and court filings in an effort to disqualify her over her romantic relationship with a former lead prosecutor on the case. nathan wade. >> i do think that there are efforts to slow down and strain, but the train is coming. >> but today the focus was back on the facts of the case in the first hearing since those efforts were ultimately unsuccessful per team minus the recently resigned wade arguing trump was not being charged for lying, but rather because the lies he told incited a crime under georgia law. an act which is illegal because it does harm to the government. t
. >> of >> protected speech, >> which i'll, steve sadow objecting to the charges against trump arguing his client was protected by the first amendment when he spread lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 the election being stolen >> and we won the state >> noticeably absent from thursday's pretrial motions hearing, fani willis, who spoke out saturday at a community event. >> i'm not embarrassed. mighty thing. i've done the fulton county de narrowly...
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it's interesting in their comments today, both steve sadow, the trump lawyer, and ashleigh merchant, the lawyer for michael roman, who brought the motion to begin with. did not say specifically that they're going to try to appeal, so they may realize this is it. and now we're going to pivot to the actual case in mind. and i think that's that was one takeaway from the responses today. >> another thing ryan that stood out to me was judge mcafee is reference to the georgia bar and the obviously the bar association in a state is the police for lawyers in the state would have the ability to disbar somebody or to punish them in other ways. and there are other investigations going on here. so even even separate from the appeal point that michael just raised, is this really just clear sailing or is it possible? but there are punishments that come along for fani willis here, the do derail this in these next few months. >> i think the next few minutes are going to see a number of different institutions in georgia reviewing fani willis and nathan wade, the judge almost invited that too. he list
it's interesting in their comments today, both steve sadow, the trump lawyer, and ashleigh merchant, the lawyer for michael roman, who brought the motion to begin with. did not say specifically that they're going to try to appeal, so they may realize this is it. and now we're going to pivot to the actual case in mind. and i think that's that was one takeaway from the responses today. >> another thing ryan that stood out to me was judge mcafee is reference to the georgia bar and the...
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sadow, where he is arguing that the indictment in georgia, the sprawling rico charge, the conspiracy case, violates his first amendment is protected speech under the first amendment, when to take a look at what cedaw wrote in his motion that he was filed to the court before today's hearing, it says the first amendment and affording the broadest protection to political speech and discussion regarding governmental affairs. not only braces, but in courage is exactly the kind of behavior under attack in this indictment. obviously, prosecutors in georgia disagree with that. they view this these criminal charges as a broad conspiracy. you look at the top charge in this indictment is the racketeering charge, which really is the big one here. it's really the one that trump's attorneys are going to try to knocked out, convince the judge again today. hey, violates the first amendment rights while fani willis is team will argue that trump oversaw a broad conspiracy to try to overturn the 2020 election. look funny. this comes as fani willis is really trying to re, focus people's attention on the
sadow, where he is arguing that the indictment in georgia, the sprawling rico charge, the conspiracy case, violates his first amendment is protected speech under the first amendment, when to take a look at what cedaw wrote in his motion that he was filed to the court before today's hearing, it says the first amendment and affording the broadest protection to political speech and discussion regarding governmental affairs. not only braces, but in courage is exactly the kind of behavior under...
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and now we're getting that the attorney here in georgia, the georgia based attorney, steve sadow, for the former president, has filed along with seven others, including the former chief of staff, mark meadows, and the former lawyer for the president, really giuliani, asking the georgia appellate court to review that decision made by judge scott mcafee and reconsider removing the entire fulton county da's team here that that's including fulton county de fani willis. we don't have a full-screen for this statement just yet as we've got it, but i haven't here in front of me. and this is what they're saying in part saying while the trial court factually found da willis is out of court statements were improved copper and defendants proved an apparent conflict of interests. the trial court erred as a matter of law by not requiring dismissal and de willis's disqualification. this legal error requires the courts immediate review again, they're asking the georgia court of appeals to take up their appeal. we should expect the fulton county district attorney's office to file their own legal motio
and now we're getting that the attorney here in georgia, the georgia based attorney, steve sadow, for the former president, has filed along with seven others, including the former chief of staff, mark meadows, and the former lawyer for the president, really giuliani, asking the georgia appellate court to review that decision made by judge scott mcafee and reconsider removing the entire fulton county da's team here that that's including fulton county de fani willis. we don't have a full-screen...
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sadow, attempt to get his charges dismissed, and the indictment thrown out on first amendment grounds. the argument basically being that trump when he was peddling conspiracy theories, saying that the election was stolen, that the election had no integrity, that that at its core when political speech and therefore protected did by the first amendment. but the da's office was saying not so fast, not only were they lies, but they realize with the intention of inciting a crime under georgia law, listened to that extreme change in the court earlier today >> there is nothing alleged factually against president trump that is not political speech so what this court has to decide is is the state's position that fraud or false statements under these circumstances, which i suggest really is alone, is that enough? to get it by an as applied challenge, our position is it's not it is very interesting to hear council for mr. trump tell us about the usefulness of lies. >> he's >> not being prosecuted for lying, he's been prosecuted for lying to the government from it. a stay in act, which is illegal
sadow, attempt to get his charges dismissed, and the indictment thrown out on first amendment grounds. the argument basically being that trump when he was peddling conspiracy theories, saying that the election was stolen, that the election had no integrity, that that at its core when political speech and therefore protected did by the first amendment. but the da's office was saying not so fast, not only were they lies, but they realize with the intention of inciting a crime under georgia law,...
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sadow, also allegedly shows that nathan wade visited the area where fani willis had a condo at the time multiple times and some of those visits allegedly going late into the evening and early morning hours the judge presiding over this case, scott mcafee, he spoke earlier this week and he talked about how we expect today to go dry. they would just be argument and counsel can proffer why they think it's significant. and if once i've heard the law and the argument of counsel at assigned that that is going to have some material bearing on the outcome, then we will we can reopen the evidence and have a properly admitted and authenticated and subject to cross-examination >> the motion to disqualify fani willis began over allegations that she financially benefited by hiring nathan wade as the top prosecutor. but now defense attorneys arguments have evolved in to whether or not fani willis and nathan wade lied on the stand during questioning. jim. >> all right. nick valencia. thank you very much let's discuss more now with former us attorney for the southern district of florida, marcos jimenez
sadow, also allegedly shows that nathan wade visited the area where fani willis had a condo at the time multiple times and some of those visits allegedly going late into the evening and early morning hours the judge presiding over this case, scott mcafee, he spoke earlier this week and he talked about how we expect today to go dry. they would just be argument and counsel can proffer why they think it's significant. and if once i've heard the law and the argument of counsel at assigned that that...
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first, you mentioned steve sadow, you read a little bit about his statement. i want to see a bit of a statement from ashley merchant, something before this saga got under way was a really unknown character in all of this and she has shot to the forefront as the person who unearthed this allegation. she says in part, while we believe the court should have disqualified willis' office entirely, this opinion is a vindication that everything put forth by the defense was true, accurate and rest surrounding our client's right to a fair trial. i asked do they plan to appeal, do they not? and she said just like the rest of the case, she is waiting to see what the d.a. does and that would impact their own steps going forward. she also says she is going to take time and talk it over with her client. as for the d.a. fani willis, she has a couple of options. the one most people would look at, that she should be be disqualifying wade and remove him from the case and she is able to proceed. but she has the option to appeal this, if she so chooses. so certainly, it is going t
first, you mentioned steve sadow, you read a little bit about his statement. i want to see a bit of a statement from ashley merchant, something before this saga got under way was a really unknown character in all of this and she has shot to the forefront as the person who unearthed this allegation. she says in part, while we believe the court should have disqualified willis' office entirely, this opinion is a vindication that everything put forth by the defense was true, accurate and rest...
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being celebrated as a victory for these defendants, including the former president's attorney here, steve sadow who sent us a statement and this is what he's saying in part >> the ruling is >> a correct application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election interference and should be dismissed. there is a caveat though here, jake and the caveat is that the judge? she has left the door open for the da's office to fill in these details and re-indict and also most importantly, the most significant count of all is still stands and that's the racketeer during charged. but as you mentioned, we are still waiting for that monumental decision from judge mcafee, which could come really at any at any moment, jake >> all right. we're also awaiting and nic for the judge to make that other hugely consequential decision in the case whether to disqualify the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, from her own case. when might that ruling come down? >> well,
being celebrated as a victory for these defendants, including the former president's attorney here, steve sadow who sent us a statement and this is what he's saying in part >> the ruling is >> a correct application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election interference and should be dismissed. there is a caveat though here, jake and the...
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and i do just want to read for you what steve sadow sayed out. one of donald trump's lead defense attorneys in this case said about this decision, he said, quote, the ruling is a correct application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election into theorems and should be dismissed. now, wolf, this is the type of rhetoric we have heard repeatedly from donald trump's team, both his political campaign end his legal team that these charges are political. it's interfering in the election, and they also would to michael's point, they really want to see this trial either dismissed or delayed beyond the election. that's really what they're hoping for. so this didn't really go far in the way of those goals. >> michel does this dramatic development today tell you anything about how the judge will decide on fani willis's potential disqualification >> it really doesn't. i mean, other than the fact that there's some indic
and i do just want to read for you what steve sadow sayed out. one of donald trump's lead defense attorneys in this case said about this decision, he said, quote, the ruling is a correct application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election into theorems and should be dismissed. now, wolf, this is the type of rhetoric we have heard repeatedly from donald...
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sadow. this is what he's saying to us in part of a statement saying, quote, the ruling is the application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election interference and should be dismissed. now this ruling, it comes with a caveat though the judge has left the door open for the da to re-indict on these charges if they fill in those details. so this is far from over, but in the meantime, as i mentioned, it is being celebrated and we're hearing this as we wait for this consequential decision as to whether fani willis will remain as the prosecutor on this case just a short time. time ago. supervising producer jason morris ran into scott mcafee on the steps of the courthouse here and he did say that he's planning to stick to that timeline that he gave himself. so we should expect a decision at the end of the week. >> brianna. >> all right. nic, thank you for t
sadow. this is what he's saying to us in part of a statement saying, quote, the ruling is the application of the law as the prosecution failed to make specific allegations of any alleged wrongdoing on those counts. the entire prosecution of president trump is political constitutes election interference and should be dismissed. now this ruling, it comes with a caveat though the judge has left the door open for the da to re-indict on these charges if they fill in those details. so this is far...
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sadow the attorney for the former president, abbie nick valencia. thank you for that report. and there's a lot to discuss here with my panel of insiders. let's start with paula reid. paula nathan wade resigned and fani willis is staying. but this ruling from the judge was pretty scathing. it did not leave her without some black marks on her reputation. >> that's exactly right. well, the judge found that she did not engage in a corrupt scheme to profit from investigating trump and his associates. he criticized her judgment, her honesty, and her professionalism, and now, abby, she's gonna go into a court of law in try a case in front of the same judge, and then let's talk about the court of public opinion. we know trump is trying to undermine trust in the judicial system. he goes after anyone who invested gates him, or brings a case against him. here. he doesn't even need to make things up. you can just quote from this opinion. so she certainly is not emerging unscathed, but this is a self-inflicted wound it certainly is an elliott. do you think that
sadow the attorney for the former president, abbie nick valencia. thank you for that report. and there's a lot to discuss here with my panel of insiders. let's start with paula reid. paula nathan wade resigned and fani willis is staying. but this ruling from the judge was pretty scathing. it did not leave her without some black marks on her reputation. >> that's exactly right. well, the judge found that she did not engage in a corrupt scheme to profit from investigating trump and his...
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. >> steve sadow objecting to the charges against trump, arguing his client was protected by the first amendment when he spread lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election being dolan >> we wanted to say >> noticeably absent from thursday's pretrial motions hearing, fani willis, who spoke out saturday at a community event. >> i'm not embarrassed. mighty thing. i've done the fulton county >> da's narrowly survived staying on the case after more than two months of hearing and court filings on an effort to disqualify her over her romantic relationship with a former lead prosecutor on the case. nathan wade? >> i do think that there are efforts to slow down this train, but the train is coming. >> but today, the focus was back on the facts of the case in the first hearing since those efforts were ultimately unsuccessful, per team minus the recently resigned wade arguing trump was not being charged for lying, but rather because the lies he told incited a crime under georgia law an act which is illegal because it does harm it to the government. there's nowhere to go because all of the
. >> steve sadow objecting to the charges against trump, arguing his client was protected by the first amendment when he spread lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election being dolan >> we wanted to say >> noticeably absent from thursday's pretrial motions hearing, fani willis, who spoke out saturday at a community event. >> i'm not embarrassed. mighty thing. i've done the fulton county >> da's narrowly survived staying on the case after more than two...
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were again, trump and his attorney, steve sadow, are trying to get this indictment for thrown out this time on first amendment grounds. and what they're basically arguing is that when trump was spreading lies and conspiracy theories after he lost the 2020 election, that that was political speech protected by the first amendment and then therefore, this indictment never should have been brought forward. this is just a pretrial motions hearing, but it's much bigger deal than that given the fact that we've just gone through two months of disqualification hearings for fulton county da fani willis, where she narrowly survived staying on this case. the big question today is ken, her team get this case back on track, put the drama behind that and focus on the facts of this case willis is juggling a lot principally all the legal cases that trump is facing. she's trying to squeeze her trial in with without affecting any of those other legal cases that trump has. it's something that we asked her about recently and she says the train is coming and she's trying to get this case for a august trial
were again, trump and his attorney, steve sadow, are trying to get this indictment for thrown out this time on first amendment grounds. and what they're basically arguing is that when trump was spreading lies and conspiracy theories after he lost the 2020 election, that that was political speech protected by the first amendment and then therefore, this indictment never should have been brought forward. this is just a pretrial motions hearing, but it's much bigger deal than that given the fact...
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sadow, trump's attorney, he mentioned that the mere suggestion of wrongdoing, it may not be enough to establish a conflict of interests. >> and >> as we've just heard, some of the responses from the defense counsel saying things like, you know it when you see it, that doesn't seem to meet the burden of proof here, which is that they need to show more likely than not, that there is an actual conflict of interests. however, there's also been some debate here about the legal standard, which legal standard applies and that's where this really could come down to. wish standard, judge mcafee applies. could it be the dispositive? factor in all of this in georgia, some appellate courts have said that you need to show that there's some kind of palpable are tangible conflict of interest. so they would need to show, for example, that fani willis financially benefited through sharing assets with nathan wade that she had some kind of significant material benefit from the vacations that they went on together, something like that. however, there's a few other cases that seem to suggest that maybe an
sadow, trump's attorney, he mentioned that the mere suggestion of wrongdoing, it may not be enough to establish a conflict of interests. >> and >> as we've just heard, some of the responses from the defense counsel saying things like, you know it when you see it, that doesn't seem to meet the burden of proof here, which is that they need to show more likely than not, that there is an actual conflict of interests. however, there's also been some debate here about the legal standard,...
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it was steve sadow who is the trump attorney in this instance. and he was focusing on that now, infamous chert speech, where she's spoken, it's roughly black church fritch sat in georgia and she questioned as to why they were only focusing on the black prosecutor, nathan wade, although it's part of a larger team, listen to what the trump attorney had to say about this, what he perceived as an ethical disqualification da willis took it upon herself to go to a historic >> black church in atlanta, having not responded at all to the motion ms merchant's client, roman, and she made what we now call the church speech. it was a calculated determination by ms willis too prejudice the defendant and their counsel. how by making an issue out of the fact that the person that was challenged in the roman motion was black this was a big moment. i mean, translation, he's saying she played the race card. now the jury things that everyone is against this particular group. and here's the issue. >> did you think that was compelling at all? but the idea of the jury p
it was steve sadow who is the trump attorney in this instance. and he was focusing on that now, infamous chert speech, where she's spoken, it's roughly black church fritch sat in georgia and she questioned as to why they were only focusing on the black prosecutor, nathan wade, although it's part of a larger team, listen to what the trump attorney had to say about this, what he perceived as an ethical disqualification da willis took it upon herself to go to a historic >> black church in...