and we are joined by andreas umland, an analyst at the stockholm center for east european studies. andres, i congratulate you. congratulations. thank you for the invitation. the wall street journal writes that the undermining of the nord stream was planned in a bar over a drink and carried out despite zelensky's ban. the day before, the president's office denied ukraine's involvement in the explosions and shifted responsibility to russia. where is the truth in this story? which version of all sounds like you? most likely? well, i wasn't there, unfortunately, and of course, i can't say so clearly. but the fact is that only russia benefited from this, it is strange, er, the fact is that before these explosions took place, and also after that , there was no gas transportation, er, that is, russia already before that , she stopped supplying gas for a long time. through these two streams, this is the northern one, stream one and northern 2, and one of the threads, there are four threads, it remained, well, operational, it could work, but there was no gas transportation there either afte