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what are the justices saying should happen in judge tanya chutkan's courtroom , and the public, actively considering whether to send this particular felon to the white house, thanks to the republican party of the united states. nina, long time supreme court reporter who was there today for the ruling, it's a really special honor to have you tonight. >> i'm very pleased to be here. i hope i have the answers to all your questions. >> can you explain a little bit about what the justices in the majority, with the rulings said today about conversation between the president and justice department officials? >> well, what the court said is that the president, the presidency is unlike the other two branches of government, the house and senate have hundreds of members, the judiciary has hundreds of judges, and at the top of it are nine supreme court justices, but the president is just one person, and he controls the entire executive branch. it's basically what chief justice roberts said. and, that means he controls the justice department, too. and he can call up the justice department and say, do
what are the justices saying should happen in judge tanya chutkan's courtroom , and the public, actively considering whether to send this particular felon to the white house, thanks to the republican party of the united states. nina, long time supreme court reporter who was there today for the ruling, it's a really special honor to have you tonight. >> i'm very pleased to be here. i hope i have the answers to all your questions. >> can you explain a little bit about what the...
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chutkan says she wants to give the defense lawyers several months to prepare for the trial dependingwhat comes from the decision in the prosecution, jack smith has said he needs 4 e case, even if we will see a lot of questions and whether they will have enough time to start and finish the trial by novembe. ashley: exactly right, thank you very much for that, the chair of the house oversight committee kentucky congressman james comer joins mina, great to have you here, we have no idea how this is going to play out as we wait how do you see it playing out. >> i have no idea how the supreme court will rule but i'll tell you my personal opinion, i believe people should be held accountable for wrongdoing whether there president or not, the problem is the democrats have abused every facet of our system of checks and balances. the supreme court does not rule in favor of what president trump is requesting, then you are going to have a weapon ice court that is going to go after george bush for afghanistan and iraq and you're going to have a court that's good to go after barack obama for fast
chutkan says she wants to give the defense lawyers several months to prepare for the trial dependingwhat comes from the decision in the prosecution, jack smith has said he needs 4 e case, even if we will see a lot of questions and whether they will have enough time to start and finish the trial by novembe. ashley: exactly right, thank you very much for that, the chair of the house oversight committee kentucky congressman james comer joins mina, great to have you here, we have no idea how this...
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chutkan in washington, d.c. that she should hold evidentiary hearings on what trump did and whether the things that he did that are part of that indictment should be considered as official acts and therefore immune or whether they should be unofficial acts. i'm not quite sure if those are immune too. they want her to do factual hearings on what he did. what are you expecting from that implication of today's ruling? what should the public expect? >> well, i don't think the public should expect to find much comfort in that. the supreme court did a few things today. it not only opened the door to presidential crime, but it also delayed any accountability for donald trump. it waited such a long time to issue really to the very end to issue this decision. it remanded to it the lower court. it set such tight boundaries over what actions the court could even consider to be personal in nature and nonofficial in nature as to thoroughly constrain the lower court. it held whole categories of conduct like that in the justic
chutkan in washington, d.c. that she should hold evidentiary hearings on what trump did and whether the things that he did that are part of that indictment should be considered as official acts and therefore immune or whether they should be unofficial acts. i'm not quite sure if those are immune too. they want her to do factual hearings on what he did. what are you expecting from that implication of today's ruling? what should the public expect? >> well, i don't think the public should...
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the huge decisions now dropped in judge tanya chutkan's lap to decide what will and won't be allowed at trump's election interference trial. so even if the trial itself can't happen before election day, could the american people still see the evidence at pretrial hearings and potentially right before they cast their votes? >>> plus, the killer hurricane that flattened a caribbean island in half an hour. the storm packing wind gusts over 200 miles per hour. now bearing down on jamaica with central america next in its sights. >>> and breaking news just moments ago, the first sitting democrat in congress now publicly calling for president biden to withdraw from the race. that bad debate night turning into a bad week for the president, as he tries to fend off growing angst from inside his own party. what nbc news has learned about what the president is and maybe more importantly is not saying to ease fears that he's no longer up to the job. >>> lots to get to, but we start with the supreme court shock waves rocking the country and the presidential campaign, just 24 hours after the contro
the huge decisions now dropped in judge tanya chutkan's lap to decide what will and won't be allowed at trump's election interference trial. so even if the trial itself can't happen before election day, could the american people still see the evidence at pretrial hearings and potentially right before they cast their votes? >>> plus, the killer hurricane that flattened a caribbean island in half an hour. the storm packing wind gusts over 200 miles per hour. now bearing down on jamaica...
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. >> how quickly do you expect the judge in this case, tanya chutkan, to be able to hold such an evidentiary hearing because it does seem like the only additional information voters may have when they go to the polls in november is any fact-finding that goes zhan in that court ahead of november evidentiary hearings are held pretty frequently in criminal trials. so i expect that the hearing could probably get started within the next few months. now, whether there's an order that comes down from the court that makes terminations of what facts are actually official or unofficial. i think vascular we've got that takes time but the evidentiary hearing itself, i don't think should take very long to start. and if anything, you might find trump's team trying to delay because they're not ready, or maybe they need more time to prepare but i don't really see those arguments carrying the day because this case has been put on pause since march or even earlier than march since december of last year. and so i would expect that before september, october, we're having a full evidentiary hearing that could la
. >> how quickly do you expect the judge in this case, tanya chutkan, to be able to hold such an evidentiary hearing because it does seem like the only additional information voters may have when they go to the polls in november is any fact-finding that goes zhan in that court ahead of november evidentiary hearings are held pretty frequently in criminal trials. so i expect that the hearing could probably get started within the next few months. now, whether there's an order that comes down...
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in the election interference case in washington, judge tanya chutkan will now have to decide which of the charges trump faces involve official acts and which don't. and in florida judge aileen cannon is expected to have new defense motions to consider in trump's classified documents case that is already indefinitely delayed. but president biden says the largest impact of the supreme court's ruling won't be on trump's trials, but on the american people if trump wins another term in the white house. >> the american people must decide if they want to entrust the president -- once again the presidency to donald trump, now knowing he'll be even more emboldened to do whatever he pleases, whenever he wants to do it. >> whit: aaron katersky back with us now. and aaron, the judge in the manhattan case pushing sentencing back to september 18th. of course, just weeks before the election. so what are the chances the verdict gets thrown out altogether? >> reporter: it's just uncertain, whit. judge merchan is the first to grapple with this new far-reaching supreme court opinion. if he agrees some e
in the election interference case in washington, judge tanya chutkan will now have to decide which of the charges trump faces involve official acts and which don't. and in florida judge aileen cannon is expected to have new defense motions to consider in trump's classified documents case that is already indefinitely delayed. but president biden says the largest impact of the supreme court's ruling won't be on trump's trials, but on the american people if trump wins another term in the white...
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the job ahead for tanya chutkan seems impossible.t is if justice roberts have handed her a ziploc bag full of dirty water. here you go, figured out looking through best. the line between official and unofficial is almost impossible to clean if you cannot look at motive and you cannot put the official acts that may have led to the unofficial abuse. my last thought is that this is the culmination of 40 years of devious and focus planning on the part of the right wing. everything that the roberts court has done from affirmative action to voting rights, abortion and to executive power to this has been the result of feeds that were planted. sam alito, clarence thomas and john roberts were all coming of age in the doj and related agencies when this plan was effectively laid out by right wing conservatives. they have with discipline and tenacity delivered today. >> katie, i see the opinion out before you. >> this is my version of beautiful mind going on. >> you were tweeting about it this morning. from a legal perspective, folks that i resp
the job ahead for tanya chutkan seems impossible.t is if justice roberts have handed her a ziploc bag full of dirty water. here you go, figured out looking through best. the line between official and unofficial is almost impossible to clean if you cannot look at motive and you cannot put the official acts that may have led to the unofficial abuse. my last thought is that this is the culmination of 40 years of devious and focus planning on the part of the right wing. everything that the roberts...
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chutkan decides to do but she's bound up by the words of the majority. >> there something also gleaming from donald trump's latest truth social of how this could impact the hush money case that is made him a convicted felon for the time being saying today's decision by the supreme court should end all of cricket joe biden's witchhunts including the new york in manhattan scheme or scam cooked up by alvin bragg et cetera but we know proof that george soros was behind that, he goes on to say that tish james with the amazing business that i built in the fake case, proud to be an american, what he saying on that particular case the new york hush money case, is interesting because other lawyers have pointed to the fact that that was contingent upon testimony from hope hicks in her role as advisor to the sitting president of the united states which all of a sudden in light of this case would potentially mean you cannot use that, that was integral to how it was adjudicated, what about the argument that that case to that looks for potential for throwing out. >> i think is probably not going to g
chutkan decides to do but she's bound up by the words of the majority. >> there something also gleaming from donald trump's latest truth social of how this could impact the hush money case that is made him a convicted felon for the time being saying today's decision by the supreme court should end all of cricket joe biden's witchhunts including the new york in manhattan scheme or scam cooked up by alvin bragg et cetera but we know proof that george soros was behind that, he goes on to say...
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and the supreme court has ordered the trial judge in the case, tanya chutkan's, to hear testimony in the case from a very long list of potential witnesses to clarify if some of the remaining charges in the indictment might now fit into a new category crated by the supreme court today the granting criminal immunity for some presidential conduct. that could lead judge chuck and to in effect, be providing over an examination of the evidence similar to or equal to what would occur in the prosecution in the trial, the actual trial of this case. when prosecutor jack smith would be calling his prosecution witnesses to the witness stand and just cut and courtroom to testify under oath to prove to the judge that the conduct described in the rest of the indictment is in no way immune from prosecution, even with the supreme court's new definition today. unlike a >> reporter: donald trump does not have to be present for that hearing, which could last weeks. so it would no way interfere with his presidential campaign. the 6-3 decision identified two different fears on each side of that decision i
and the supreme court has ordered the trial judge in the case, tanya chutkan's, to hear testimony in the case from a very long list of potential witnesses to clarify if some of the remaining charges in the indictment might now fit into a new category crated by the supreme court today the granting criminal immunity for some presidential conduct. that could lead judge chuck and to in effect, be providing over an examination of the evidence similar to or equal to what would occur in the...
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circuit court judge tanya chutkan until next month when the supreme court officially issued its judgmenthe would need to parse through what parts of the indictment could still be charged against trump and that would likely require -- that would likely require evidentiary hearings to be held. that would be the last opportunity before the election for jack smith to make public any of the damning evidence against trump, including the possibility of having high profile officials like trump's former vice president, mike pence, testify at the hearings. regarding the reports that trump's team is already preparing to fight to stop such hearings from occurring, according to the guardian in the coming months, trump's lawyers are expected to argue that the judge can decide whether the conduct is immune based on legal arguments alone, if prosecutors try to call pence or his chief of staff to testify about meetings where trump discussed stopping the january 6th certification, trump would try to block that testimony by asserting executive privilege and having pence assert the speech or debate clause p
circuit court judge tanya chutkan until next month when the supreme court officially issued its judgmenthe would need to parse through what parts of the indictment could still be charged against trump and that would likely require -- that would likely require evidentiary hearings to be held. that would be the last opportunity before the election for jack smith to make public any of the damning evidence against trump, including the possibility of having high profile officials like trump's former...
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chutkan, the doj and other prosecutions are now hobbled or hampered because you can't look at the motivesresident did what he or she did? >> it shows you how broad the trump immunity decision was. it said, for example, pretty much any conversation the president has with their subordinates can be the subject of a prosecution so with the president were to say, to tell his attorney general to arrest his political rivals, it is pretty clear nothing can be done about that. it also says that even though the president can't be prosecuted for stuff he does that doesn't involve his official conduct at office, you can't bring in evidence of what he did as president at order to prosecute. some of those statements are very vague, but it is just not clear to me what can be done about trump at all. a lot of the stolen documents were produced during the course of his presidency. does that mean they are immune? i don't know. it is such a confusing and very sweeping decision. >> we can thank the super majority scotus conservatives for that. ian millhiser and glenn kirschner, i love both of your voices bec
chutkan, the doj and other prosecutions are now hobbled or hampered because you can't look at the motivesresident did what he or she did? >> it shows you how broad the trump immunity decision was. it said, for example, pretty much any conversation the president has with their subordinates can be the subject of a prosecution so with the president were to say, to tell his attorney general to arrest his political rivals, it is pretty clear nothing can be done about that. it also says that...
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it dumps a big mess in judge tanya chutkan's lap. it says, it's up to you to assess what is official, versus private, and it, certainly, says that for example, she should look to the context and content of what is going on, but there are other things that she can't look at at all. for example, she can't look at what former president trump's motive or purpose was in executing certain actions and evaluating whether they were official or unofficial, so the reason that he does something is something she is supposed to put, purely out of her mind when applying that text. that does not give her a lot of guidance as to what should count and what shouldn't. >> mckay, i keep thinking about your last answer, and that original conservative party and what they stood for, because this immunity ruling, yes, it was about trump's past acts, but we have to think about the future. the next republican president is going to be much more like donald trump or will be donald trump. the old-school conservative, mitt romney, who you know very well -- how do
it dumps a big mess in judge tanya chutkan's lap. it says, it's up to you to assess what is official, versus private, and it, certainly, says that for example, she should look to the context and content of what is going on, but there are other things that she can't look at at all. for example, she can't look at what former president trump's motive or purpose was in executing certain actions and evaluating whether they were official or unofficial, so the reason that he does something is...
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everything else that has to be determined is the judge, tanya chutkan, here in d.c., has to decide what official act and what is not an official act and that his pretrial motions, hearings, that is going to take up a lot of time. before you could even begin a trial itself -- that itself was not going to be a short trial. we are five months from the election and there seems to be no way that that is going to happen in time. amna: this doesn't just apply to former president trump. it also now applies to president biden, to any future president, followed him into the oval office. what does it mean for the scope of presidential power? william: this was something that was picked up in the dissent today. justice sotomayor said that the majority has left this shield laying around for any president to pick up if that president wants attacked criminally or on democratically while in office. they have this sort of cloak of immunity, this veil that they can put on over themselves. we talked earlier today with steve latourette, a scotus supreme court scholar at georgetown university, and he said th
everything else that has to be determined is the judge, tanya chutkan, here in d.c., has to decide what official act and what is not an official act and that his pretrial motions, hearings, that is going to take up a lot of time. before you could even begin a trial itself -- that itself was not going to be a short trial. we are five months from the election and there seems to be no way that that is going to happen in time. amna: this doesn't just apply to former president trump. it also now...
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. >> i do not envy judge tanya chutkan.'s got a lot ahead of her coming down from the supreme court to weed through. and as you said, it's going to take. a lot of time to sift profession. a little. thank you so much for joining us this morning. my pleasure. thank you. >> we're back at 10. 25 in a controversial state law takes effect today. it requires credit card companies like mastercard and visa to provide banks with special retail codes and those codes and be assigned to gun stores in order to track sales. now, supporters are hoping that this law will help financial institutions, flag suspicious gun-related purchases. it's all part of an effort to prevent mass shootings and other crimes. critics, though, argue that the law will mean unnecessary suspicion of gun buyers who have done nothing wrong well, those service fees that you see at the bottom of your menu or apparently here to stay. governor newsom has signed a law allowing restaurants and bars to keep charging those fees. that's as long as they give customers a head
. >> i do not envy judge tanya chutkan.'s got a lot ahead of her coming down from the supreme court to weed through. and as you said, it's going to take. a lot of time to sift profession. a little. thank you so much for joining us this morning. my pleasure. thank you. >> we're back at 10. 25 in a controversial state law takes effect today. it requires credit card companies like mastercard and visa to provide banks with special retail codes and those codes and be assigned to gun...
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district court where judge tanya chutkan must decide which allegations from the indictment count as officialich are official acts that still can be charged. regardless of how that shakes out, it effectively means the special counsel's january 6 case has no chance of going to trial before election day. a similar process will probably play out in trump's other election interference case, the one brought by district attorney fani willis down in fulton county, georgia. trump and his lawyers have asserted presidential immunity in that case, as well, meaning the judge overseeing that case, judge scott mcafee, will have to parse through that and i and determine what may now be off- limits. judge mcafee won't even be able to start that process until an appeals court decides whether or not to grant trump's motion to through da willis off of the case. so don't expect any significant movement down in georgia anytime soon. now in trump's new york hush money case where trump is already been convicted on 34 felony counts, yesterday we got the news that the sentencing has been postponed from next week to s
district court where judge tanya chutkan must decide which allegations from the indictment count as officialich are official acts that still can be charged. regardless of how that shakes out, it effectively means the special counsel's january 6 case has no chance of going to trial before election day. a similar process will probably play out in trump's other election interference case, the one brought by district attorney fani willis down in fulton county, georgia. trump and his lawyers have...
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. >> i do not envy judge tanya chutkan. she's got a lot ahead of her coming down from the supreme court to weed through. and as you said, it's going to take. a lot of time to sift through that profession. a little. thank you so much for joining us this morning. my pleasure. thank you. we'll be back. >> all right. the safest way to stay safe. this 4th of july to celebrate across noelle bellow torn. going to bring you fireworks shows in san francisco, san jose and war's of july is live this thursday. starting at night. and coming up on morning news. so the caution more across the bay area. bridges talk more about that. plus, a budget gets its last approval. explain what programs made the cut. an excessive heat warning in the bay set to take effect tonight. t >> right now on the kron, 4 morning news, a bay area credit union halting service for customers after suffering a security incident. and a new state law. number of them go into effect today, along with the toll hike at the golden gate bridge will break it all down for you
. >> i do not envy judge tanya chutkan. she's got a lot ahead of her coming down from the supreme court to weed through. and as you said, it's going to take. a lot of time to sift through that profession. a little. thank you so much for joining us this morning. my pleasure. thank you. we'll be back. >> all right. the safest way to stay safe. this 4th of july to celebrate across noelle bellow torn. going to bring you fireworks shows in san francisco, san jose and war's of july is...
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chutkan, who is overseeing trump's january 6 case, will need to sayyed whether trump's pressure campaign to get vice president pence mike pence does the right thing. we win the election georgia state officials, i just want to find 11,000 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we won the state. and others to overturn the 2020 election results were official acts trump's celebrating the decision on social media, posting, big win for our constitution and democracy. justice sonia sotomayor dissenting from the majority opinion, writing the relationship between the president and the people he serves has shifted irrevocably in every use of official power the president is now a king above the law, something she and other liberal justices warned about during oral arguments in april, i'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the oval office into the seat of criminal activity in this country. >> the decision likely to hamstrings special counsel jack smith's election subversion case, charging donald j. trump conspiring to defraud the united states. >> roberts, makin
chutkan, who is overseeing trump's january 6 case, will need to sayyed whether trump's pressure campaign to get vice president pence mike pence does the right thing. we win the election georgia state officials, i just want to find 11,000 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we won the state. and others to overturn the 2020 election results were official acts trump's celebrating the decision on social media, posting, big win for our constitution and democracy. justice sonia...
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the trial judge in this case, tanya chutkan and the circuit court of appeals, both rejected trump's claims of immunity, but the supreme court chose to take up this case and they heard oral arguments in april, several the justices, including chief justice john roberts, were skeptical of the circuit court decision that fully rejected trump's immunity claim. they focused on whether there should be some immunity for a president's official duties compared to his private actions. this suggests is that the justices could grant trump some degree of immunity for his official actions, but not for those actions. since he took that went beyond his role as president, that could pave the way for the election subversion case against trump to move forward. but how quickly any case actually go to trial depends on whether the justices address trump's conduct specifically in their ruling, or if they only set a standard for prosecution that the lower court would then have to fly to this case. if that happens, trump could potentially start a whole new round of appeals, likely pushing any trial beyond the 2024
the trial judge in this case, tanya chutkan and the circuit court of appeals, both rejected trump's claims of immunity, but the supreme court chose to take up this case and they heard oral arguments in april, several the justices, including chief justice john roberts, were skeptical of the circuit court decision that fully rejected trump's immunity claim. they focused on whether there should be some immunity for a president's official duties compared to his private actions. this suggests is...
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judge tanya chutkan, a federal judge, now, it is on her, according to the supreme court, to decide which of these acts, which of this evidence constitute official conduct and which constitute personal conduct. if you are judge chutkan this morning, you're feeling how about that assignment? >> you're feeling very despondent about that assignment. you've just been given 119 pages that lays down some very broad principles without a whole lot of guidance. and you've been told that one of the things you can't consider in determining what's official versus personal is motive or purpose. that was a really big deal at the oral argument here. chief justice roberts giving the example of, what if a president, for example, is charged with bribery? the act of bribery itself is a personal act, accepting the money. but let's say a president is bribed for appointing someone to an ambassadorship? that's an official act. he was trying to untangle the oral argument. is that a personal act or official act? the majority is saying in a situation like that, the motive or the purpose for which someone does some
judge tanya chutkan, a federal judge, now, it is on her, according to the supreme court, to decide which of these acts, which of this evidence constitute official conduct and which constitute personal conduct. if you are judge chutkan this morning, you're feeling how about that assignment? >> you're feeling very despondent about that assignment. you've just been given 119 pages that lays down some very broad principles without a whole lot of guidance. and you've been told that one of the...
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judge tanya chutkan, but sussing out what's what in the trunk case after this opinion will take some time and this opinion makes it unlikely, if not impossible. possible, that this case could go to trial before november now, source familiar with trump's legal team thinking tells me they view this as a major victory because they believe not only will this opinion allow them to get some of the charges here tossed, but they will also be able to get some of the key evidence in this case, tass evidence that they believe jack smith would have to have in order to prove whatever remains of his case so steve, i want to bring you in here because this was kicked down to the lower courts to sort out unofficial versus official acts. but how clear will that make it given all the different circumstances that can arise, blurring the lines between the two, not just in this this case with donald trump, but in potential future cases in a pamela's the right question. >> and i think paula really hit on something really important. when she talked about the evidence. one thing that chief justice john rober
judge tanya chutkan, but sussing out what's what in the trunk case after this opinion will take some time and this opinion makes it unlikely, if not impossible. possible, that this case could go to trial before november now, source familiar with trump's legal team thinking tells me they view this as a major victory because they believe not only will this opinion allow them to get some of the charges here tossed, but they will also be able to get some of the key evidence in this case, tass...
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they've given a judge, tanya chutkan, a test that she now has to apply to apply to this indictment. they were saying the former presidents have absolute immunity for official acts related to their core constitutional power. and speaking with sources familiar with the trump legal teams thinking they believe this is a major victory because they believe not only will any charges related to official acts be tossed out, they also think that this will cover key evidence that jack smith would need to prove what's left of his case. so this will require additional proceedings, additional briefings, likely some hearings possibly more appeals. the biggest thing from this decision today, dana is not only a test, only not just for former president trump, but for future presidents before the country related to immunity. but it also signals to us that it is unlikely and probably impossible for whatever is left of this trial to go before november. yeah, which we knew was the likely scenario, but this steals the still no question about it paula, hang on. because kaitlan, i do want to talk to you abo
they've given a judge, tanya chutkan, a test that she now has to apply to apply to this indictment. they were saying the former presidents have absolute immunity for official acts related to their core constitutional power. and speaking with sources familiar with the trump legal teams thinking they believe this is a major victory because they believe not only will any charges related to official acts be tossed out, they also think that this will cover key evidence that jack smith would need to...
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chutkan, to decide how that applies to the trump case. making a trial before the election, nearly impossible. >> we did nothing wrong at all. and we have every right, every single right to challenge collection that we think is dishonors. >> the decision may also have implications in georgia, that case is currently paused and determine if da fani willis should be disqualified. but if it resumes, the judge would have to go through the same analysis to determine which of trump's acts were official and therefore immune like this call to pressure georgia state election officials by just one of fine 11,780 loads, which is one more that we have because we won the state the trump team is also expected to try to undercut the mar-a-lago documents case? >> i had every right to have these documents. >> i source tells cnn they plan to argue that how classified material ended up at the florida resort stemmed from official presidential act acts, whatever documents are president decides to take with him. he has the right to do so. it's an absolute right
chutkan, to decide how that applies to the trump case. making a trial before the election, nearly impossible. >> we did nothing wrong at all. and we have every right, every single right to challenge collection that we think is dishonors. >> the decision may also have implications in georgia, that case is currently paused and determine if da fani willis should be disqualified. but if it resumes, the judge would have to go through the same analysis to determine which of trump's acts...
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judge tanya chutkan in dc, where the immunity challenge arose. she can't have the case back for 30 days. but when she does, she moves fast. she doesn't like to for a lot of hearings, she has arguments written to her and then writes very quickly and she will be able to take action with some of the input from the justice department that's going to have to tell r what they wanna do. possibility for hearings, witnesses, things like that. and then in florida, judge aileen cannon, she loves the hearing and this presidential immunity question that paula is talking about, that the trump team is still arguing to her that actually has had a part of it sitting before her in court totally briefed with no arguments scheduled for months now, so she is very likely to have to take this up as well. how these two judges eventually land on the question they could go totally different ways. they're in totally different jurisdiction. it sounds like and tell me if you disagree with my prediction. okay. but it sounds as though there will be an evidentiary hearing on th
judge tanya chutkan in dc, where the immunity challenge arose. she can't have the case back for 30 days. but when she does, she moves fast. she doesn't like to for a lot of hearings, she has arguments written to her and then writes very quickly and she will be able to take action with some of the input from the justice department that's going to have to tell r what they wanna do. possibility for hearings, witnesses, things like that. and then in florida, judge aileen cannon, she loves the...
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judge tanya chutkan, for her to hold an evidentiary hearing to determine which of the actions or indeed official actions of a present or those that are private actions for which there is no immunity. so i don't think this is going to be the when the donald trump and many of his maga supporters is are expecting. >> so how far reaching could this ruling proved to be on other cases against trump? the classified documents case that's a great question, rosemary. and that's why i don't think the court is going to come out with a blanket immunity saying that everything that a sitting president does is immune from prosecution because a sitting president can engage in criminal conduct that can be determined not in the scope of his duties as a president. you know, think about this example. so when a president vetoes a bill, clearly you would not want to criminalize that conduct and you would want the president immune from any criminal prosecution related to criminalizing. i mean, to vetoing bill that wouldn't be criminal conduct. however, in the case of donald trump, with respect to trying to sub
judge tanya chutkan, for her to hold an evidentiary hearing to determine which of the actions or indeed official actions of a present or those that are private actions for which there is no immunity. so i don't think this is going to be the when the donald trump and many of his maga supporters is are expecting. >> so how far reaching could this ruling proved to be on other cases against trump? the classified documents case that's a great question, rosemary. and that's why i don't think...
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in this case to judge tanya chutkan, the district courts judge, who's overseeing this case to suss out which parts of this indictment would count as unofficial or official acts. now, when speaking with sources familiar with the trump legal teams thinking they're viewing this as quote, a major victory, because not only do they believe they will successfully be able to argue that certain aspects of this indictment were official so acts they believe that what is whatever is left of it, the unofficial acts that prosecutors needed least some evidence related to official acts that also will get tossed out. they believe under this opinion so it's unclear exactly if that's the way it's going to go. but that's their initial analysis. and what we know that it's trump's lawyers will be very busy here. and it seems unlikely, if not impossible, that whatever is left of this case could go forward before the november election what does this mean? polo for trump's other cases in speaking with sources, we can expect that they're going to use this opinion in the other cases, he the spacing, for example,
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chutkan in dc, where that dc immunity case or i'm sorry, the election subversion case that donald trump is facing, that this immunity decision came out of. that is going to be moving forward. so will here from them there and then there are the other cases in florida. this question of immunity has come up. their judge, aileen cannon's very likely to look at it there as well. and then in new york, we're already starting to hear from a different set of folks. the new york lawyers for donald trump, they have taken a letter to the judge overseeing that case where donald trump was convicted by a jury previously and has his sentencing set for next week. they're arguing that it should be thrown out because there were things that were brought into that trial, tweets when donald trump was president ledgers from the white house, hope hicks testimony she was an adviser to trump when he was the president those things were in trial and should have been taken out. they're gonna be arguing things like this to the judge up there in new york. here's will scharf, one of trump's attorneys last night on cnn
chutkan in dc, where that dc immunity case or i'm sorry, the election subversion case that donald trump is facing, that this immunity decision came out of. that is going to be moving forward. so will here from them there and then there are the other cases in florida. this question of immunity has come up. their judge, aileen cannon's very likely to look at it there as well. and then in new york, we're already starting to hear from a different set of folks. the new york lawyers for donald trump,...
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presidents cannot be prosecuted for actions related to their core powers of their office where judge tanya chutkan must now wrestle with whether trump's conduct on and around january 6 was part of his core function as president. the scotus decision likely insulated trump against a trial before election day. and as a result of that decision, judge juan marshawn reset his new york sentencing to september 18 four days later, president biden sat down with abc's george stephanopoulos to address concerns about his health. at a debate as to the success of his damage-control ended when stephanopoulos himself told a fifth avenue pedestrian that he didn't think biden can serve four more years on july 10, george clooney, who recently hosted a biden fundraiser, published an op-ed in the new york times calling for biden to end his campaign reports said that he first shared the essay with former president barak obama, who must not have talked him out of the publication and former house speaker nancy pelosi went on msnbc to say whether biden should continue was a decision for the president notwithstandin
presidents cannot be prosecuted for actions related to their core powers of their office where judge tanya chutkan must now wrestle with whether trump's conduct on and around january 6 was part of his core function as president. the scotus decision likely insulated trump against a trial before election day. and as a result of that decision, judge juan marshawn reset his new york sentencing to september 18 four days later, president biden sat down with abc's george stephanopoulos to address...
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judge tanya chutkan, who at one point riana had wanted to hold a trial in march. that is not going to happen. she's eventually going to have to have a hearing and it would be a preliminary hearing before the trial to actually start separating out what of the conduct alleged by special counsel, jack smith against the former president could be deemed part of his official actions or not official now, the justices themselves did not parts those categories, but they gave some indications. for example, former president trump is accused of talking to the department of justice and federal officials about coming up with his various fraud allegations, his ideas that there should be a new slate of electors, just all sorts of efforts to affect what was going to go leading up to january 6, the majority suggested that conversations with federal officials are part of his official duties. but however, some conversations with state government officials remember dealing with the georgia state officials might possibly fall under these categories. i have to say overall though they se
judge tanya chutkan, who at one point riana had wanted to hold a trial in march. that is not going to happen. she's eventually going to have to have a hearing and it would be a preliminary hearing before the trial to actually start separating out what of the conduct alleged by special counsel, jack smith against the former president could be deemed part of his official actions or not official now, the justices themselves did not parts those categories, but they gave some indications. for...
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and judge tanya chutkan in washington dc. she's not going to be able to do anything until that gets back to her. and that's when we would start hearing very likely from the special counsel's office saying how they want to proceed in this case against donald trump, but they asked the supreme court to put the judgment back in the hands of the trial court fourth width or immediately. it didn't happen yesterday. >> steve vladeck, i'm going to bring you in. can you just give us your big legal brain and tell us what your analysis is. first and foremost about what caitlin was just reporting about what's going on in new york, what's going non in jack smith's case and more generally, your thoughts yeah. >> i mean, i think the common theme across all of this is uncertainty. and uncertainty that's going to take time for the courts to hash out. it's going to take time for judge merchan and new york to figure out what, if any impact the supreme court's discussion of evidence in the majority opinion in yesterday's case is going to have on
and judge tanya chutkan in washington dc. she's not going to be able to do anything until that gets back to her. and that's when we would start hearing very likely from the special counsel's office saying how they want to proceed in this case against donald trump, but they asked the supreme court to put the judgment back in the hands of the trial court fourth width or immediately. it didn't happen yesterday. >> steve vladeck, i'm going to bring you in. can you just give us your big legal...
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it's the second group that's going to be sent back, and tanya chutkan could have that hearing on that issue, as well as saying what she thinks is personal and, thus, not actually covered. it's complicated. you have to keep those three buckets in mind. >> i agree with the three buckets that andrew explained. i think there's another interesting question, katy. this is about the january 6th case in washington, d.c. but are there implications here for the mar-a-lago case and the -- >> would judge cannon take what's happening here and try to use it. >> core constitutional responsibilities for the president are immune from prosecution. that strikes me as correct. purely private acts are not immune. that strikes me as correct. but what is and what is not an official act. the court has now asked judge chutkan to make that examination. by the way, that could take more than just a hearing. that could take a long time. andrew, i don't know if you agree with this or not, but it's possible that coupled also be challenged if it invokes presidential immunity. meaning, it's not as if judge chutkan co
it's the second group that's going to be sent back, and tanya chutkan could have that hearing on that issue, as well as saying what she thinks is personal and, thus, not actually covered. it's complicated. you have to keep those three buckets in mind. >> i agree with the three buckets that andrew explained. i think there's another interesting question, katy. this is about the january 6th case in washington, d.c. but are there implications here for the mar-a-lago case and the -- >>...
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chutkan, who is overseeing trump's january 6 case, will need to decide whether trump's pressure campaign to get vice president pence mike pence does the right thing. we win the election georgia state officials, i just want to find 11,780 wow, it's which is one more than we have because we won the state and others to overturn the 2020 election results were official acts. >> trump's celebrating the decision on social media, posting, big win for our constitution and democracy. justice sonia sotomayor dissenting from the majority opinion, writing. the relationship between the president and the people who serves has shifted irrevocably in every use of official power. the president is now a king above the law something she and other liberal justices warned about during oral arguments in april, i'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the oval office this into the seat of criminal activity in this country. >> the decision today likely to hamstrings special counsel, jack smith's election subversion case, charging donald j. trump with conspiring to defraud the united states
chutkan, who is overseeing trump's january 6 case, will need to decide whether trump's pressure campaign to get vice president pence mike pence does the right thing. we win the election georgia state officials, i just want to find 11,780 wow, it's which is one more than we have because we won the state and others to overturn the 2020 election results were official acts. >> trump's celebrating the decision on social media, posting, big win for our constitution and democracy. justice sonia...
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the court is leading up to judge tanya chutkan, who is overseeing the case to decide that that issue for sure. while with two other components laid out in the indictment, trump's alleged pressuring of state officials and official act chutkan decides the left land to create false electors. chutkan decides, but she has even get the last word. you realize all of this will be open to appeal once again so trump doesn't like how judge chutkan rules. he can drag it out with another appeal. that's why it's near impossible for this case to be tried, let alone concluded by november immunity by delay donald trump i'm sure is very happy yes, big wins for our constitution and democracy. proud to be an american president. joe biden tonight the seat of the questions about his own campaign delivering i'm pretty rare address to mark the stakes now, the american people have to do what the court should have been willing to do. >> but whatnot the american raft to render a judgment about donald trump's behavior. perhaps most importantly american people must decide they want to entrust the president once
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chutkan's case with trump, where he challenged immunity.'s going to have to make sense of the opinion, cut out parts of the case see what the justice department wants to do. that can't happen for 30 days but it will get back to inter her her hands. there could be witnesses, hearings, arguments, all kinds of things. there. and then in florida, they're very likely to be a lot of trump lawyers waving around this immunity decision there and saying let's look at its two. so even towards very busy, always, always, always are, right, katelyn polantz. thank you so much. and coming up back to headlines on president biden, the white house confirming he has not had a medical exam since the debate. more on what we know and don't know about the present i can tell the root go for it. did america thursday, july 4, it's 70s dirt on cnn. presented by clear choice dental implant centers, scheduled your free consultation with a team that specializes in dental implants visit clear choice.com today the day you get your clear choice dental implants makes every d
chutkan's case with trump, where he challenged immunity.'s going to have to make sense of the opinion, cut out parts of the case see what the justice department wants to do. that can't happen for 30 days but it will get back to inter her her hands. there could be witnesses, hearings, arguments, all kinds of things. there. and then in florida, they're very likely to be a lot of trump lawyers waving around this immunity decision there and saying let's look at its two. so even towards very busy,...
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>> the high court outlined parameters for presidential immunity and then told the trial court judge tanya chutkan, to decide how that applies to the trump case making a trial before the election, nearly impossible. >> we did nothing wrong at all. and we have every right, every single right to challenge an election that we think is dishonest. >> the decision may also have implications in georgia, that case is currently paused and determine if da fani willis should be disqualified? but if it resumes, the judge would have to go through this same analysis to determine which of trump's acts were official and therefore immune like this call to pressure georgia state election officials i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have because we wanted to say the trump team is also expected to try to undercut the mar-a-lago documents case? >> i had every right to have these documents a source tells cnn they plan to argue that how classified material ended up at the florida resort stemmed from official presidential acts, whatever documents are president decides to take with him. >>
>> the high court outlined parameters for presidential immunity and then told the trial court judge tanya chutkan, to decide how that applies to the trump case making a trial before the election, nearly impossible. >> we did nothing wrong at all. and we have every right, every single right to challenge an election that we think is dishonest. >> the decision may also have implications in georgia, that case is currently paused and determine if da fani willis should be...
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chutkan. and it's going to be up to her the supreme court has deferred to her to suss out which actions alleged in smith's indictment constitute official actions that are part of the core constitutional responsibilities of the president. those would enjoy absolute immunity, likely not be able to be brought as part of this case then you have other actions that are official acts, but not necessarily something that's part of your core constitutional duties. so those have a presumption of immunity, but that would likely have to be litigated. and then there's gonna be other acts alleged in the indictment that fall outside of that things we're not official acts. then she's going to have to look at what is left of that indictment and then we know from my sources on the trump legal team that the trump's legal team is also going to try to get certain pieces of evidence tossed out and they argue that what remains of that indictment will need to be supported by pieces of evidence that are also blocked by
chutkan. and it's going to be up to her the supreme court has deferred to her to suss out which actions alleged in smith's indictment constitute official actions that are part of the core constitutional responsibilities of the president. those would enjoy absolute immunity, likely not be able to be brought as part of this case then you have other actions that are official acts, but not necessarily something that's part of your core constitutional duties. so those have a presumption of immunity,...
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one, the judge overseeing this judge, tanya chutkan, she has a signal that the lawyers should get somed time on this. i mean, we're for a couple of months out from the election. the idea of putting the candidate that republican candidate for the presidency on trial where he. would have to be in court. months, weeks before the election that's something that would likely have this right here again, before the supreme court, also the attorney general, unlikely to allow something to go ahead that quickly. but we'll see, but right now, this decision, the supreme court finding that former presidents are entitled to absolute immunity four official acts, but not for unofficial acts. this opinion very, very long. it's gonna take us a while to get through everything. yeah. an opinion from the chief justice john roberts as we expected, anderson, obviously, we are still reading through this decision from this appeal filed in february now, at least getting some answer from the supreme court on this important matter. >> yeah. reading through it are we as well? joey jackson, your initial take on what
one, the judge overseeing this judge, tanya chutkan, she has a signal that the lawyers should get somed time on this. i mean, we're for a couple of months out from the election. the idea of putting the candidate that republican candidate for the presidency on trial where he. would have to be in court. months, weeks before the election that's something that would likely have this right here again, before the supreme court, also the attorney general, unlikely to allow something to go ahead that...
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it's going to go back down to the district court judge in washington, tanya chutkan, who oversees this proceeding. this special counsel's office is going to have things to say about this opinion and what it means for the case. trump's team also is likely to have a lot of arguments to the judge as well. she'll have to make sense of it. but one thing that is also clear here, and this is clear, not just from the majority opinion, but but from the concurrence from justice, amy coney barrett, she spells it out in the plaintiffs language that she believes the court, these six justices that came together for the majority here, that they believe more appeals are going to be needed if the case proceeds forward in the way that it is shaped right now, they cut out the part of the case today where donald trump is facing charges is related to what he was saying to justice department officials such as jeffrey clark. that's not part of it anymore. but there's going to be further appeals very likely on all of the other pieces of the indictment. if the special counsel wants to keep trying to take trump
it's going to go back down to the district court judge in washington, tanya chutkan, who oversees this proceeding. this special counsel's office is going to have things to say about this opinion and what it means for the case. trump's team also is likely to have a lot of arguments to the judge as well. she'll have to make sense of it. but one thing that is also clear here, and this is clear, not just from the majority opinion, but but from the concurrence from justice, amy coney barrett, she...
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so it's possible that that case could move forward unimpeded should the presiding judge, tanya chutkan, disagree. even though trump's lawyers may try the same tactic, this long shot tactic, which has succeeded now in florida and it comes after a concurring opinion by supreme court justice clarence thomas in the recent supreme court opinion about presidential immunity. there was nothing in that opinion that was supposed to address the appointments of special counsel, but justice thomas went out of his way to question the legality of appointing special counsels. and that seems to be where judge cannon down in florida, has gravitated to. it could be ripe for appeal by special counsel smith and the justice department. those pierre notes. diane, we have not heard from the special counsel yet, and we haven't heard yet either. >> from former president trump on this. but our executive editorial producer, john santucci, has spoken to sources close to the former president. john, what are you hearing about his reaction? >> diane? diane, diane, i did just speak to multiple sources close to former
so it's possible that that case could move forward unimpeded should the presiding judge, tanya chutkan, disagree. even though trump's lawyers may try the same tactic, this long shot tactic, which has succeeded now in florida and it comes after a concurring opinion by supreme court justice clarence thomas in the recent supreme court opinion about presidential immunity. there was nothing in that opinion that was supposed to address the appointments of special counsel, but justice thomas went out...
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chutkan, we say, well, he hates all women, but he especially hates a black woman who is trying to hold him accountable. that feels like letting him get away with something that is for him a trigger. let's put all of that aside and let's not do that. let's also put this in the frame of what he sought to do, to president barack obama, with birtherism. this is more than insulting a woman who threatens what he thought would be a landslide, what his campaign managers told tim alberta three weeks ago. this is someone that threatens his grand plan to return to the white house after being humiliated by president joe biden, defeating him roundly and soundly. this is probably a warmup and i just want to make sure we put it in the right context. this was offensive. this was ignorant. this was graceless. he was a guest there. he was invited by journalists to answer questions and all he did was malign and smear the vice president of the united states, a woman who was a very, very, very capable opponent against him in this general election. >> i think we must be clear that everything that you said a
chutkan, we say, well, he hates all women, but he especially hates a black woman who is trying to hold him accountable. that feels like letting him get away with something that is for him a trigger. let's put all of that aside and let's not do that. let's also put this in the frame of what he sought to do, to president barack obama, with birtherism. this is more than insulting a woman who threatens what he thought would be a landslide, what his campaign managers told tim alberta three weeks...
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chutkan, and she will be responsible for deciding whether those statements were his constitutional.sonal context. but it is really unclear to do all sorts of activities that are kind of right on the border of campaigning and politics versus, you know , core policy, decisions you know, core policy, decisions . and, you know, the one thing that we know about donald trump is he's probably blurred that line more than any prior president that we can remember in recent memory. >> but, thomas, what this basically means ambiguity, as you say, is a picnic for the lawyers. they feast on ambiguity. they will push this down, down the road. they'll try and push it definitely beyond november. the fifth, that crucial date of the presidential election in america. with that in mind, the likelihood the probability of there being an effective legal challenge against donald trump seems to have diminished with this ruling. the likelihood of him being the primary candidate has increased. and if you believe the polling, if you believe what happens since that debate, the likelihood with this ruling is that
chutkan, and she will be responsible for deciding whether those statements were his constitutional.sonal context. but it is really unclear to do all sorts of activities that are kind of right on the border of campaigning and politics versus, you know , core policy, decisions you know, core policy, decisions . and, you know, the one thing that we know about donald trump is he's probably blurred that line more than any prior president that we can remember in recent memory. >> but, thomas,...