o i, manila chan. timothy j gordon is back base for sticking with us. tim. all right, let's talk about the role of church in our society as a whole. the catholic church and more broadly, perhaps christianity, according to a 2019 q research pole. and over whelming, majority of americans, 2 thirds of them believe in the principle of separation of church and state. does that separation truly exist? and how would you compare or perhaps contrast that with how other countries don't separate? the 2, i mean take for example, b is lama republic of iran, regardless of what anyone thinks of that country as a matter of governance. religion in this case is long is part of the state. that's a very, very fascinating question. and it's got a couple of parts, and i'm an honor to be able to respond to it. the 1st off what a lot of america. i'm also a constitutional scholar. i went to law school pretty much only to study the constitution and what most americans don't know or have been brainwashed or lied to about. is this idea of the separation of church and state. this countr