which is when tish james began her investigation.e we are literally five years later, she's had the tenacity to see this through. up until now. i don't think she's going to give up time soon. >> back to when donald trump was actually giving donations who were running pr office, right. if he has to somehow give up manhattan real estate that has his name ton, what would that mean for him? >> he sort of did. all the buildings that had trump tower written on them, you had residents say we need to start taking his name off. it's not a good thing right now. >> property values are going down. >> mike bloomberg went and spoke at the dnc convention. everybody was like, what is he going to say. he made the point that among the sort of wealthy class in new york, and among the real estate community. among new yorkers, we know a fraud when we see them. >> basil smikle, and lisa rubin, thank you both, appreciate it. >>> still ahead, how a baseball star's big swing at political cause is throws the claws in the senate race. te race. 100 bucks. great

tish james. >> good evening. today justice has been served.owerful or politically connected you are, everyone must play by the same rules. we have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the marketplace. for years, donald trump engaged in deceptive business practices and tremendous fraud. donald trump falsely, knowingly inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to unjustly enrich himself, his family and to cheat the system. donald trump may have authored "the art of the deal," but he perfected the art of the steal. this long-running fraud was intentional, egregious, illegal. and he did all of this with the help of the other defendants, his two adult sons and senior executives at the trump organization. so after 11 weeks of trial, we showed the staggering extent of his fraud and exactly how donald trump and the other defendants deceived banks, insurance companies and other financial institutions for their own personal gain. we proved just how much donald trump, his family and his company unjustly benefitted from his fraud. today, the c

in my home state of new york, far left democrat new york attorney general tish james who campaigned onng off president trump she teamed up with an unethical democrat manhattan judge who unconstitutionally imposed a nearly a nearly half billion dollar penalty on trump for the victimless, noncrime of paying back banks in full on time as agreed with interest. it's corrupt. [applause] >> and the left has gone so far as to desperately try to remove president trump from the ballot. why? because joe biden's approval is in free-fall and they want to take away the vote from you. meanwhile, you have the corrupt joe biden crime family lining their pockets from illegal influence peddling schemes, the biden crime family yet democrats in the media like to pretend they are saving democracy, but it's the radical left and the democrats that are destroying democracy. but we cannot let them and we won't let them. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, as we enter this election season, we cannot lose sight of what's at stake. america itself is on the line. we have the most secure border in our nation's histo

[laughter] but this is what tish james wastes her time with.he should be fined for impersonating law enforcement. new york state is still struggling from the effects of covid and won't recover the lost jobs for years. tourism is down. the state leads the nation in population loss. even my pool boys have moved to miami. [laughter] i'll have to remember them by is a jar of their fingers. too far? or not far enough? so why not bring a bogus lawsuit that will scare off the real estate sector? as o'leary point out, nobody would go here for this. they're going to go elsewhere. they are. i haven't seen this many people running against way since joy behar got stranded on the beach and they blew her up with dynamite. they didn't just screw trump. they screwed the city like i did in the summer of 98. shout out to carroll and janet. and steve. [laughter] but not to fear, governor botox is here. kathy hochul assures the business community that everything is fine. law abiding and rule following new yorkers who are business people have nothing to worry about

in my home state of new york far left democrat tish james who campaigned on going after president trump she teams up with an unethical democrat manhattan judge to unconstitutional impose a nearly half billion dollar penalty on trump for the victimless non-crime of paying back bank in full on time as agreed with interest. it's corrupt. and the left has gone so far as to desperately tried to remove president trump from the ballot. why? because joe biden's approval is in freefall and want to take away the vote from you. meanwhile, your fcra joe biden crime family line their pockets from illegal influence peddling schemes, the biden crime family. yet democrats and the media like to pretend they are saving democracy. but it's in the radical left and the democrats that are destroying democracy. but we cannot let them and we won't let them. ladies and gentlemen, as we enter this election season we cannot lose sight of what's at stake. america itself is on the line. we have the most secure border in our nation's history when president trump left office. joe biden took executive actions leading

tish james is not the only prospective creditor. as of tomorrow she'll be a judgment creditor, but donald trump has outstanding loans in the ten of millions or even hundreds of millions of dollars with respect to the very same properties at issue in this new york civil fraud trial. >> does this -- i think we have a little graphic of the number of creditors of trump's had, which may be illegible. is it an arms race here? if tish james starts calling in the debts, does that then scare other creditors potentially who think oh, maybe he's not going to be solvent for that much longer. >> not only that but if she obtains a judgment lien, which is a piece of paper that allows her to seize property and prevent him from selling things that in and of itself might be a default under some of his outstanding loans, which would allow a particular lender to go out and keep the collateral. so there are a lot of complex moving parts here involving donald trump's business empire, the various lenders and creditors that he has, and she'll have to figur

that be double trump's play in the, end, just he can't put up the bond, there let tish james try toake one of these buildings and auction it off knowing that can be a long process he could have various ways to fight legally along the way? >> well perhaps, but that is a crazy gambit, because -- he will control of those properties, one of the things we are seeing in this case is as always with donald, trump there is now a public referendum on his wealth. he spent you know, 55, more soof his 78 years lying about how much money he has, and not when push comes to show, a man whose routinely said he is multi billionaire is having trouble scratching up several hundred million dollars to make a court judgment. as one new yorker once said of trump, i wouldn't believe anything coming out of his mouth, even if his tongue was notarized. so all of his proclamations that he had several hundred million dollars in cash, they don't appear to be true. that means he then has to go to hard property and try to sell it, and that is complex. for example his most valuable building in new york, and the one

but this is what tish james, t new york state's top prosecutor wastes her time with. she shouldwith be for impersonag law enforcement. new york state is still from the effects of covid and isn't expected to recover all its lostruggling for years, if ever. tourism is down. migrants occupy thousandse stat of hotel rooms and the state leads the natione in populatiom loss. even my poor boys have movedpooh to. i'll have to remember them b by is a jar of their fingers eno too far or not far enough. so why not bring a bogus lawsuit that'll also scare off the real estate sector ? as o'leary points out, no developer would risk this much money to have a judge arbitrarily decide that you're in some form out breach of fraud where no damages occurred. so they're just going to gowher. elsewhere. >> and they are. i haven't seen this many people running awathey arey sin joy bejar washed up on the beach and they had to blow up with dynamite. e jo so they didn't screw trump. >> they screwed this city much like i did in the summer of 98 . [lout out to carolou and janet and steve, but no

. >> i have been saying quite sometime tish james alvin bragg brought really, really insignificant caseans against donald trump those two people perhaps more than anything, as individuals don't like donald trump. now combined with con fliens all the democratic party platforms sanctuary cities open borders, you know, failure to -- the southern border affect being urban environment i think a new york presidential race. >> congressman go ahead the state we are in talking, ad nauseam about last night confused, weak president biden polls are showing us, is trailing former president trump by double digits. >> just remember most -- word in that we, the people many what happened we, the people no matter what side, start talking together nothing more positive that is history guess what misery of biden allowing us to have conversations. doesn't matter what race background class, touching everybody no matter where we are inflation, middle class hit, demolished last years doing things makes us great country we are, victim optimistic, that now finally having conversation halted, want kids to have a

tish james, the new york a.g., we made it clear, did the soundbite earlier, if he does not pay, she will act. what does that mean? what levers can she pull? >> the same levers you can pull anytime you can have a civil judgment. you can go and enforce it through the courts, and go get liens on -- garnishing of wages. >> without work on donald trump? are there loopholes he can get through? because he is quite good at that. >> he's quite good at it. but there's a funny thing about real estate. it does not move a whole lot. but you can't david blaine trump tower to the air -- >>, nobody can quickly put it under a different llc. he can put it -- >> he's already been forbidden from doing. that they thought a couple of steps ahead here. -- you can't go create llcs incorporations in other states. there's a monitor in place that's going to remain in place as long the judgment is not -- >> this is the monitor that he antics change agreed upon, and now he doesn't like her. >> that's correct. because she was enforcing rules. and he does not like those. so, now, all of a sudden, she's bad. >> let's t

do you really see tish james being able to seize his buildings, many of which if not all of which are heavily mortgaged already? >> let me clarify. what i said was, this happens to regular people. i may have misspoke. if you don't pay a judgment against you, the party that you owe the creditor can go to court and seek to seize your bank accounts, your property. attorney general james will do that if he doesn't pay. i think he will find a bond company who will come up with the bond. if he doesn't, believe me, she's going to accepted her attorneys in court to seize his property and his assets. >> i'm sure you said it right. to his presidential immunity claims. we are waiting on the supreme court decision. he is asking the judge in his classified documents case to shield him from those charges based on presidential immunity and what he says was an unlawful appointment of the special counsel. is there a difference in any of the claims? if we do get the supreme court decision soon, does that presumably apply to all of his immunity claims? >> no. florida is in the 11th circuit court of appe

james is asking to be $370 million. these are apples and oranges. this is a different case, but here's evidence potentially of the cfo of the trump organization potentially pleading guilty to inflating assets and then lying about it on the stand. if you're judge engoron and you're kind of just looking at this reporting, do you think that influences the way he thinks about potential fraudulent behavior at the trump organization? >> i think he's got an eye on it, but i think he's onto it. i mean he's already passed down -- this case was already decided on summary judgment, we really entered the courtroom just to decide what the damages are, so i think he's probably probably watching it tonight, but i think his number and what it's going to come down to is going to be -- i think there was a courtroom full of evidence, and i think that's probably what he's weighing as he prepares that decision, which we're expecting could happen this week, next week, the week after. he said the end of january, the end of february, but i thi

tish james was really smart. >> there were many winners today when the court of appeals opinion was issuedl prosecutor jack mitt and his brilliant legal team. >> laura: communist dictators now we know what we're getting, right? we are getting tyranny. dissent is not tolerated, period. , all supposedly to protect the tranquility and security of the mother land, bull. in north korea, russia, china, the rule of law is perverted and it's weaponized against inconvenient forces. everyone knows the game. security forces, government lawyers, judges, they are not independent. they are all political hatchet men for the communist party. and since 2015, when trump announced his run for the presidency, official forces in washington have been unleashed on him from the deep state to the russia hoax, to the low life d.a. in manhattan. >> they call him pro-putin as they scramble to put him in jail, bankrupt him, and even come after his family. and, by the way, they brag about it. >> i look forward to going into the of office of attorney generl every day suing him, defending your rights, and then going home

james wade in as well, claiming that justice has been served and seeing this ruling proves that no onee law. and proves that we have a shameful two-tiered justice in our great country. here with reaction, former florida attorney general pam bondi and former acting attorney general. on the issue of florida, okay, i showed him -- an empty lot and a busy corner, and -- it's for sale for 150, $200. those homes on the intercoastal and within the street in front of it, worth over $200 million. and other homes go for more than that at this particular point, i know it sounds crazy and anyone living anywhere else, but that's how crazy it is. down here, how did the judge get away with trying to say mar-a-lago's 18 million? >> sean, they want on appeal, that's the bottom line. it's almost a joke, it is a joke that they are trying to do that. i'm in palm beach right now. i was in mar-a-lago today, one of the beachfront units is valued at double 18 million. it's ridiculous what they are doing legally. it will not stand up on appeal, but sean, they do not care. they are trying to damage president tr

tish james, attorney general for the state of new york, was also there for the meeting just before thisonference. she was asked similar questions. listen to this. >> letitia james, do you have a comment on the migrant story about the migrants being released? >> they will be held to justice, the long arm of the law. >> john: at least she said they will be held to justice. but the point, half of them are not even here, they went to calexico, california, on the border with mexico. how do you bring them back, california is a sanctuary state and if ice makes a request to gavin newsom's office, will he honor that. the states and cities have sanctuary cities in place and if you go back on that, it blows up the whole thing. >> sandra: how do you do that, beat a cop and walk. >> john: you've got me. >> sandra: she apparently, so kathy hochul as you just saw, she made a pretty general statement about public safety at the top of her remarks there, our reporter who is in that room says there has been no specific comment made on the migrants, which is why of course we are all listening. >> john: the

bragg, and with tish james. i think they basically did their jobs, as good public servants.l contrast in looking at what they did compared to other people. >> and in some instances, they face, not just equal threats, but more brutal and crude ones, with a lot less security infrastructure. we hope that's been beefed up. but always worth pointing out that some folks found a way. lisa ruben, thank you again for yesterday and for coming back today. you're on the andrew weismann schedule now. andrew, you're finally allowed to leave, but don't go far. i think we're 4 for 4 this week. thank you, my friend. maya sticks around for a little bit longer. when we come back, american autocracy and the bright red warning sign from the prime minister of australia, who has seen donald trump up close and maybe too personal with vladimir putin. he calls the reverence trump has for russia's dictator creepy, likens it to that of a 12-year-old boy who looks up to the captain of a high school football team. he will be our next guest with an urgent warning about the safety of global democracy if tr

. >> let's talk more about tish james.'s the one saying not only did she beat trump in the civil fraud case, but she says give me your properties. you're either going to pay or give me your properties. what do you make of that? >> she's absolutely right. he has to come up with the money. he's been ajudged to have been a fraud. the judgment is a huge judgment. he cannot appeal unless he posts cash in about $500 million almost because of interest accruing daily or put up his own money. he has to pay a bond which means extra interest or put up his own money. if he tails to do that, the judgment becomes judgment proof. he has to pay it. she's prepared to seize his property. she will be able to do that. she can put leans on it to collect it. she has more power than just you and i as citizens. she can actually seize the buildings and remove the words trump. the volume goes up as soon as you remove those words. it's an offense every time you walk past. >> let me play you donald trump's typical defense for everything he does, he s

we've heard the soundbite of tish james saying, he's irene 40 wall street. what does that mean? a month from now, if he doesn't show up with half a billion dollars, she can't seize the building. >> no, she can't. but she can try to do is move to collect, vis-@-vis a plane. which she is going to start to do. what trump is going to start to do is basically go to the clerk and say, i need more time to pay. that by self is not an excuse for you to get the time that you have asked for. you have to have some level of reasonable showing as to what you are doing to trying to get that money. without that, letitia james, her office, can go as a creditor and say, this judgment was entered, this money is owed. i want to put a lean on his assets. she can effectively do that. it really will be up to the judge, once he makes the appeal to the clerk, which people, as to how much time he is going to get before the judge actually begins to try to enforce lanes or collective accents letitia james gets. >> is there any scenario where donald trump wouldn't have to pay this money? right? what letter

., it tish james has been obsessed with getting trump four years., and un-american, wow. what is it about judge engoron and the new york attorney general, letitia james, that gets trump so worked up? probably that this case, compared to the rest of them, chipped away at the opulent wealthy larger than life trump myth that -- it gives a world a glimpse at who trump truly is as a businessman. someone who lies! someone who treats! someone who inflates the assets about which he endlessly breaks. this ruling, and the financial penalties that accompany it, legally cement what trump's biggest detractors have been calling him for years. a fraud. joining me now, someone who's literally written the book on donald trump. tim o'brien. the senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion and msnbc political analyst and author of the book, trump nation, the art of being the donald. a book that has aged quite well, my old friend. tim, let's talk about this. the stuff that happened yesterday notwithstanding, we knew there was going to be a fight, we just know how big i

. >> so i think the reason why tish james decided to deal with this as a civil suit is because the standard for establishing proof in a civil case is far lower than that in a criminal case where the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt, which is quite high. given here that the issue was the valuation of the properties and there can be very subjective valuations, there would be wider room for finding a verdict of acquittal if this were a criminal trial. i think it's important to think about this civil verdict in the context of the four criminal indictments brought against donald trump and those four criminal indictments span not only the scope of his presidency in terms of the election interference indictments but also the period proceeding his presidency and the period after. so before, during, and after his presidency, we have criminal prosecutions of donald trump for serious crimes, and interestingly, many of those crimes relate to the kinds of things that were charged in the civil fraud trial. this idea that he overinflates his own acumen, a similar kind of impulse that you see in the e

what if he's in a position where tish james begins to collect on the judgment? you know, you can envision a world where donald trump turns this into a political argument. they are out to get me and tries to avoid her collection efforts. really, it could be a public political mess heading into the election. >> i rarely, if ever, disagree with you. in fact, i defer to you all the time, but i will disagree. i think it's already begun to make it a political argument, from day one. that is a perfect segue into the next case i wanted to touch on with you, joyce. mar-a-lago, in my home state of florida, trump filing a slew of motions a couple of nights ago. one of which that was particularly noteworthy, a motion to dismiss based on presidential immunity. some of the arguments were familiar. we've seen them in the chutkan case in d.c.,'s january six election interference case. but he also raise an interesting argument that he declassified, re-classified materials, with his mind, of course, the jedi mind trick that he does. and then he made them personal records, so he's

. >> tonight, both trump and new york attorney general, tish james, who brought the case, spoke about the judge's decision. >> letitia james, that's another case altogether. she's a horribly corrupt attorney general, and it's all having to do with election interference. there were no victims, because the banks made a lot of money, they made 100 million dollars. >> i want to be clear, white- collar financial fraud is not a victimless crime. when the powerful break the law, and take more than their fair share, there are fewer resources available for working people, small businesses, and families. and every day americans cannot lie to a bank about how much money they have in order to get a mortgage to buy a home. or a loan to keep their business afloat. >> meanwhile, in georgia, the hearings centered on misconduct allegations against d.a. fani willis continued. today, her father took the stand. nbc's blaine alexander has more. >> reporter: after more than two hours of surprise fiery testimony yesterday, today, the state declined to call willis for cross-examination. >> i have one daughte

james we'll start seizing your stuff. >> glenn kirschner, channeling my grandmother ethel gordon with the tchotchkes at the 11th hour. and he wasn't negotiating a bazaar, that's how he transacts as a business person. ask any bank, any lender, any subcontractor, any lawyer. that is how donald trump, the businessman, rolls. glenn, good to see you both. andrew, thank you for staying up to late past his bedtime. when we come back, senate democrats play to protect the ivf treatments. it was blocked by republicans. we will be speak to former alabama senator, doug jones, about what it could mean for his state after the supreme court ruling there. >>> and later, the big, big news on mitch mcconnell deciding to leave his leadership post. our political panel is here on all of it. and the latest move to fund the government for at least another week. the 11th hour just getting underway on a consequential wednesday night. wednesday night. when i was your age, we never had anything like this. what? wifi? wifi that works all over the house, even the basement. the basement. so i can finally throw tha

this is the state where next weem tish james is probably going to win a $300 million plus settlement that could bankrupt the trump company and run it out of new york on a rail, and this is the place where the stormy daniels payoff happened. we have seen the check with his magic marker signature on it. it is kind of poetic, poetic justice. >> it could also be legal justice. focusing on a state prosecution if trump wins re-election, he could not pardon himself in this case. so i think that's key. but i think we could also see both this trial and the washington, d.c. federal election interference trial happen before the election. if the manhattan case goes forward in late spring, then the federal trial could start in mid-summer and that would be enough time, again, for verdict in both of those cases. >> and by the way, katie, the only case where he seems to be protected from justice is the one where the florida judge seems to be trying to squash the case. and that would be the documents case. >> here's the scale, here's the thumb of aileen cannon on the scale of justice in florida. it's

of course, tish james is gonna give her statement! donald trump does believe he is above the law, and every single moment that he is met with even just a little bit of justice, i think that it is, it just further underscores our systems, systems that he has tried through various ways, whether it's our political system, our legal system, to dismantle. and today, yesterday, judge engoron and the state of new york, they stood up to donald trump. >> i think that's an important part of this conversation, lisa. because what letitia james did or something no one thought could really be done, to be honest. everyone thought this was just you know, parking in the winds, making a lot of noise, and it was all politics. there was substantive criminal activity going on in hiding resources,, inflating resources and assets. and, it's come home for him. you wrote a great piece for msnbc.com on friday. before the ruling came out, talking a little bit about why trump just can't up and move out of new york. and sort of really contextualizing what israel

. >> let me ask you, what happens if it does run out, and tish james starts collecting, how does she start collect something. >> one of the ways she starts collecting is by identifying what trump owns, and she can collect against properties. >> can she seize properties? >> she can't seize them without further court intervention but she would ask the court to enable her, essentially, to seize properties or get a lien on properties. the problem here is that donald trump has lots of creditors. he has tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions in existing mortgages on many of the properties that he owns and in other cases, he doesn't own properties outright. he may own 30%, 20%, so it's complicated. >> michael cohen was saying if he were to have a fire sale, it would still be hard for him to come up with this cash. there are mortgages, he would have debts to pay on the leases, on the land holdings on whatever he might own in new york. >> there are a lot of hungry mouths to feed that would have their hands out. >> so bankruptcy? >> i don't think that's a solution for him here. i think

>> and, tim, might that be double trump's play in the, and just he can't put up the bond, there let tishildings and auction it off knowing that can be a long process he could have various ways to fight legally along the way? >> well perhaps, but that is a crazy gambit, because -- control of those properties, one of the things we are seeing in this case is as always with donald, trump there is now a public referendum on his wealth. he spent you know, 55, more so his 78 years lying or lobbying about how much money he has, and not when push comes to show, a man whose routinely said he is multi billionaire is having trouble scratching up several hundred million dollars to make a court judgment. as one new yorker one set of trump, i wouldn't believe anything coming out of his mouth, even if his tongue was notarized. so all of his proclamations that he had several hundred million dollars in cash, they don't appear to be true. that means he then has to go to hard property and tried to sell, it and that is complex. for example his most valuable building in new york, and the one in san francisco,

james. but key to this whole thing is that it pokes a hole, it takes the air out of the myth of donald trump. you told congress about this, he inflates his wealth. he lies about his wealth. basically, engoron, in the summary judgment in september, said that you are a myth. you are built on a lie. you are a fraudulent person. that seems to bother donald trump yet more than the fact that he faces losing his liberty and going to jail. >> i'm not so sure. right now he is not confronted with that aspect, which is what will be starting on march 25th at the criminal trial. these have all been civil so far and he has lost. he continues to lose in each and every one of these cases. my prediction is that he loses on all 91 counts that were brought against him. >> wow. >> donald is like a donkey, he can only see the carrot in front of his nose. what is the carrot right now in front of his nose? half a billion dollars plus in civil fines between e. jean carroll and now letitia james civil fraud case. wh

tish james is on a roll. she don't miss. >> i'm impressed. i'm impressed., kept herself out of trouble, which we can't say for other attorneys and important places in this country right now. but i think there's a larger issue here about what the role of the nra is, and why this is even possible. they basically put themselves out of business, they were so effective. which is what made them vulnerable to finally having this investigation. for me, the last couple years, the nra is like vcr repairmen. you don't need them anymore. they're obsolete. they've gotten so many republicans and republican leadership to buy into their philosophies that guns are more important than children that they don't have to do their job anymore. >> it's no longer just a love agave. it's -- >> they >> won their argument, so, now all they had to do was sit around and spend money and make it rain in the club, and now, they're all in trouble. i think dish james has done a fantastic job. i wish she could dissolve the entire organization, but i'm not surprised by this. i would say, thoug

they're not getting making this political at all what, what the judges are ruling, what tish james is doing, what's happening in georgia that is all speaking for itself. and ultimately voters will decide whether or not this is somebody that they want back in the white house. my guess is again, when it comes to those narrow states, will decide this election. jake the answer is they don't want him back >> alice trump could in theory, pay this $355,000,000 fine using funds from his leadership pac save america since the since save america is operated separately from authorized campaign committees, we should note that other legal troubles he has a lot have whittled that fund down from about $50 million to about 5 million. according to his latest legal filing he will keep fundraising off of this legal loss, no doubt. but how would we balanced the need to pay for his legal bills versus the need to pay for his campaign. and also not be seen as somebody who uses his campaign donors to pay for these legal excesses >> well, they go first, i wouldn't classify it as much as using campaign donors.

. >> this is tish james getting everything she wants. she's going to have a news conference at 6:00 p.m. to discuss this. >> i think this case and we're going to read through it and dissect it, when you step back, it's also a shot from the judge and part of the reason why the attorney general brought it was to say that this sort of behavior in new york, okay, you cannot submit false statements to financial institutions, and it's okay. and just because everybody does it doesn't mean it's okay. in fact, that's a confession. >> some people in real estate, businesses in real estate have said that they're worried about what this is going to mean going forward for their business. is this just, tell me why they would have that concern. >> i've covered donald trump's finances for a long time, and in doing so, i have talked to people in the ecosystem about this issue, particularly of appraisals and we always go high in certain situations, talking to the irs, we go low. there's a range within that, i think, that's acceptable, at least when we've l

james here, just achieved a fantastic result in repatriating more than a half $1 billion back to the great state of new york. and more importantly, for thanking me for being a catalyst of bringing this case to the courtroom. so he has a lot of reasons to be nervous right now. and that's just one of them. let's not forget march 25th. we're starting now, the manhattan district attorney case, which is not civil, but criminal so yeah, he may delay one, but the other ones is still moving forward >> i want to get back to immunity as one second, but you mentioned this case, letitia james was overseeing and trump has now admitted that he does not have the cash, does not have the cash to pay this 400 million hello, or civil fraud judgment. >> it all goes >> away at the core of whether he truly is rich and successful. and as, as rich as he says, he think that he is embarrassed by any of this, or is this part of well, savvy business dealings? >> well, of course, he's embarrassed because his entire net worth, the constant reiteration that i'm worth at least 10 billion, maybe even more obviously,

now just before the he spoke nerlier tonight, while york attorney general tish james weighed in as well. bizarrelorney gel y claiming the has been served and saying this ruling proves that nobody is above the law. also, sadly, proves that we nowc have a shameful two tiered standard of justice in our great countre ineay. there was reaction. former florida attorney general pam bondrmeri and, former acting attorney general matt whitaker. pam, on the issue of valuations in florida. okay. i showed him an empty lot, a busy corner. i happen to know it well and i it's -- it's for sale for what, 150 $200 million those homes0. on the intracoastal and ont in the ocean, even with the street in front of it, those are al l worth over $200 millionon and other homes go for.unds more than that at this particular point. i know it sounds crazy to anyone living anywhere else, but that's crazy anyonewher hown here. how did the judge get away math trying to say mar-a-lago is 18 million? >> sean? they won't on appeal. that's the bottom line. heit's -- it's almost a joke. it is a joke. but they tried to do tha

james, the new york attorney general, by joe biden, the entire democratic party. his supporters are unmoved. they are unbothered and anything that donald trump says they follow along now for the rest of the country, which probably i would say 50 to 60%, they're looking at this and think this is a lot of money. a does he have it? be really ever pay it back and see going into the presidency if he is the republican nominee, which he is not just yet and if he does somehow, when reelection, what happens then because don't forget, this is just one of the many court cases that donald trump is facing. we haven't talked about atlanta, we haven't talked about washington, dc. he still has other cases in new york >> and so >> it's an embarrassment for i would think the democratic process, the small d democratic process that we have a republican candidate that has gotten this far, who all new yorkers know, he's a grifter. he lies, he cheats, he steals. this has been his mo and operating business in new york for a very long time. he's finally going to have to pay the piper. the

meaning enforcement of the judgment, meaning, he wants to prevent tish james from starting to collectt she was awarded through judge angoron's judgment last week. he has until march 25th to post a bond. under today's order, the judge in the appellate division is essentially saying, no, $100 million is not enough. $100 million and the continued presence of a monitor in your organization doesn't secure your assets to the attorney general's satisfaction, and it doesn't do it to the law's satisfaction either. therefore, i'm going to grant you a temporary stay as to your ability to lend -- i'm sorry, to borrow money, your sons can continue to operate the business, but with respect to any bond that you're going to post after march 25th, to get that stay of enforcement, you're going to owe the whole thing, and possibly more so, because new york courts typically will require in excess of 100% in the form of an undertaking. >> so, vaughn used this word "conditioning." i'm going to borrow it and use it. we're all conditioned to see trump as a political houdini, and a legal one who gets out of a

that didn't turn out well for him in the case of tish james. in this case either. whole purpose of this was to be able to bring out something that he could use on the campaign trail. and so you know, in going back to our earlier question, this is why in part i really do feel for the people that decide to take him on because they are really opening their lives and their families' live to a tremendous amount of hate, retribution and potentially tragically violent. i hope it never comes to that. but these are folks that you know, are presumably in danger. and i imagine that as i said, you know, he's going to use every single thing that came out of these hearings against her. >> you heard willis talking about those attacks. before we go, katie, not sure if you saw this reporting from cnn. they spoke to the owner of a winery that willis and wade visited. essentially that person said yes, she paid with a great sum of cash. is that even necessary at this point? corroborating the story in that way? >> well, the judge is not considering it because it's not evidence, right,