. >> i think todd blanchard's moment was not actually his best moment. it was when he called up two different recordings of michael cohen from his podcast and brought the jury back to michael cohen that was not the guy that they saw in this courtroom, whereas josh steinglass reminded them today, michael cohen spent more hours on cross-examination than he did actually working for donald trump in 2017, just to give some context there, so the michael cohen that the jury came to know is a very calm, lucid, unflappable michael cohen. by playing those two excerpts, the demeanor he exhibits during those excerpts isn't [ inaudible ] enough to raise those motors because not just the content of what he is saying, but the cadence and the fury in those excerpts lead someone to think oh, wait, that's not the guy i met last week. who is that? is that who that guy really is? if i were a juror, i would've been perseverating on those two recordings in my head, thinking wait a second. >> the first time i ever heard the podcast, sounds just utterly insane. >> manic, almost