written by tom bower, who joins me in the studio now.attering portrait. this is it. i mean, are you saying that the beckhams aren't all they seem? >> well, netflix was their version, and this book is the truth , that's that's okay. truth, that's that's okay. bottom line. >> i mean , in what respect >> i mean, in what respect aren't they? i mean, we get the kind of glossy , heavily kind of glossy, heavily controlled brand . beckham i controlled brand. beckham i mean, the image is perfectly honed, isn't it, for the public gaze. you've looked into them , gaze. you've looked into them, their lifestyle, their history. what have you concluded about this couple? >> well, they are a consummate act. they're an image pedlar and they are really terrific at projecting themselves and say very little . and they are very little. and they are a brand. and what they've done is they've survived, whereas most celebrities, after a year or two in the spotlight, collapse into anonymity, they profited and carried on soaring after 25 years, which is a great ach