uchenna kanu yes, very much. can we look at the reply, please. a company so that it has a commercial freedom. the integrity of the post office system is it contractual matter for the post office and not the government. and while i appreciate your concerns, i do not believe that a meeting would serve any useful purpose. you tell us in your witness statement, that you took offence at the term arm's—length, to describe the role that the government played in relation to overseeing and monitoring the post office. why? it monitoring the post office. why? it is because of the structure, the government is the sole shareholder and the _ government is the sole shareholder and the owners of all of this. how can you _ and the owners of all of this. how can you run — and the owners of all of this. how can you run or take control, take responsibility for an organisation without— responsibility for an organisation without having some interest in trying _ without having some interest in trying to — without having some interest in trying to be in control? governm