you know, the prince andrew interview, the victoria derbyshire grilling, those get praised so there's bbc is going to keep the stuff that makes newsnight really important and that's not going at all. that's just going to be the heart of the programme now. yeah, i mean, the problem that newsnight's had, though, over the years is that when you and i were there, you'd get cabinet ministers on virtually every night and they would come down to the green room afterwards and you'd learn a lot, you know, you get ken clarke there, douglas hurd, senior ministers, regularly. nowadays, it's very difficult for newsnight to get senior people like that. and they basically, i think they're saying to themselves, "look, we don't have to do newsnight. the audience isn't that big. "we've done a whole string of interviews throughout the day. by the time it gets to 1030pm, we're knackered, we're tired, we might make a mistake". and so the newsnight isn't getting the line ups in its discussions, i'm afraid, that it used to get. and, of course, other people are now basing themselves on studio discussion and