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that is what walt nauda, under oath, that is him directly contradicting what walt nauda told the fbi month earlier. another question in the grand jury, question, it is your testimony before the grand jury today that in fact, you moved boxes up from the basement to pine hall, right? answer, weeks prior, yes. that under oath answer is, again, a direct contradiction to what walt nauda said in his interview with the fbi. at the end of his grand jury testimony, the grand jurors hadm some good questions. grand jury, was pine hall a skiff? witness, no. it is a very important question. important point to establish, get on the record that the room called pine hall where many of the boxes were was not a secure location. another grand jury asked, before you said that some of that you did not know what was in any of the boxes but some of them were labeled. i guess what i'm confused about is how is it that only the specific boxes with label pens are labeled but none of the others were? walt nauda did not give an answer that made any sense and it remained a mystery how he knew what boxes to bring
that is what walt nauda, under oath, that is him directly contradicting what walt nauda told the fbi month earlier. another question in the grand jury, question, it is your testimony before the grand jury today that in fact, you moved boxes up from the basement to pine hall, right? answer, weeks prior, yes. that under oath answer is, again, a direct contradiction to what walt nauda said in his interview with the fbi. at the end of his grand jury testimony, the grand jurors hadm some good...
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today in court, walt nauda and codefendant, trump property manager carlos de oliveira, today in courtied documents case. the crux of the argument is they shouldn't be guilty of obstructing justice because they claim they didn't know there was an investigation happening in the first place. they didn't know what they were moving, they were just following orders. the main issue with that is that one week after walt nauda was interviewed by the fbi about moving boxes that could have classified information in them, walt nauda and carlos de oliveira moved boxes for trump again. so, does their argument today have legs? or, is it as made up as the jogger? joining us now is an attorney with expertise in national security, security clearances and government investigations. mark, thank you for joining me tonight. i kind of wonder what you make of this argument that carlos de oliveira and walt nauda were just following orders, despite the fact that they did have a meeting with the fbi where the fbi was clear about what was in those boxes ? >> good evening, alex, pleasure to be here. i don't like
today in court, walt nauda and codefendant, trump property manager carlos de oliveira, today in courtied documents case. the crux of the argument is they shouldn't be guilty of obstructing justice because they claim they didn't know there was an investigation happening in the first place. they didn't know what they were moving, they were just following orders. the main issue with that is that one week after walt nauda was interviewed by the fbi about moving boxes that could have classified...
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or, is it as made up as the dog walt nauda says he took., security clearances and government investigations, like the one trump and carlos de oliveira find themselves in. mark zaid. mark, thank you for joining me. i wonder what you make of this argument that carlos de oliveira and walt nauda were following orders, despite the fact they had a meeting with the fbi where the fbi was clear about what was in those boxes. >> sure, good evening, alex, pleasure to be here. i don't like the i'm just following orders argument. it makes me think of world war ii and the and we know how that turned out, which i'm not making the equivalent, obviously, with what this situation is but, pretty much as judge aileen canon was describing, as much as one can assess from the bench how a judge reacts , this is mostly a fact and trial issue. today's hearing was a very routine, typical, expected defense motion to dismiss charges, try and get additional information. but, it really comes down to is it a fact or not? did they know, did they not know? it could be a via
or, is it as made up as the dog walt nauda says he took., security clearances and government investigations, like the one trump and carlos de oliveira find themselves in. mark zaid. mark, thank you for joining me. i wonder what you make of this argument that carlos de oliveira and walt nauda were following orders, despite the fact they had a meeting with the fbi where the fbi was clear about what was in those boxes. >> sure, good evening, alex, pleasure to be here. i don't like the i'm...
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but, she did really seem to grapple with it. >> bradley, when do we get to the point when walt nauda, carlos de oliveira, i'm just going to ask about train 27, when he starts pointing the finger and says trump told me to do it ? >> if this gets pointed toward a true trial date, if these motions get thrown out, if the statements from people like evan corcoran don't get suppressed, if it looks like we are legitimately going to trial, carlos de oliveira is the weak link. he has the least amount of stake in this and he has no reason to throw himself onto the bus like walt nauda is. he's the one i expect to cut a deal. does that sink trump? no, but it will certainly hurt and it will look bad from an optics's standpoint, particularly with the media, particularly with the public that one of his defendants is cutting a deal. that is what we are waiting to see once judge aileen canon starts issuing rulings. >> she also has about five substantive motions she hasn't ruled on that donald trump has filed letter motions to dismiss. perry stein, bradley moss, thank you for bringing us the latest fro
but, she did really seem to grapple with it. >> bradley, when do we get to the point when walt nauda, carlos de oliveira, i'm just going to ask about train 27, when he starts pointing the finger and says trump told me to do it ? >> if this gets pointed toward a true trial date, if these motions get thrown out, if the statements from people like evan corcoran don't get suppressed, if it looks like we are legitimately going to trial, carlos de oliveira is the weak link. he has the...