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i >> -- >> well, look, the windsor framework, we can't roll that back. that's the thing. we can't roll that back. that is our obugafion roll that back. that is our obligation treaty. we have to comply with it . and it's a very comply with it. and it's a very dangerous for the good friday agreement. and i would say peace in northern ireland if we're going to erode the windsor framework, i think it's very, very dangerous times. >> is that right, though, because we saw, didn't we, how the irish government threatened to put people on the border of northern ireland, southern ireland, and no one said then it's going to going to erode peace in northern ireland. >> no, but this is we're talking about fundamental human rights, chris. and you know, only dictators erode the right to scrutiny of the courts, and i'm afraid this government is behaving like a dictatorship . behaving like a dictatorship. >> but there's a feeling, isn't it, that the courts aren't really doing what governments want. the governments are elected democratically . courts aren't. >> no, but t
i >> -- >> well, look, the windsor framework, we can't roll that back. that's the thing. we can't roll that back. that is our obugafion roll that back. that is our obligation treaty. we have to comply with it . and it's a very comply with it. and it's a very dangerous for the good friday agreement. and i would say peace in northern ireland if we're going to erode the windsor framework, i think it's very, very dangerous times. >> is that right, though, because we saw, didn't...
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let's go back to what was agreed under the windsor framework how does it apply to migration? importantly, this nt legal migration, not particularly the rwanda actjust passed in parliament. it's not in relation to removal to rwanda. but that uk has now gotten to the position is asylum any undocumented margaret commended to the uk notjust arriving on boats but anyone arriving could not make asylum and determined that this is even a bigger picture that's what's happening in the rwanda act. we know in the rwanda act the parliament specifically took out protections of human rights protection legislation. it's even larger than it rwanda in relation to the situation where the united nations setting there's a total asylum been in relation to refugees seeking sanctuary. when it comes to the windsor framework agreement under article seven, humphrey has made it quite clear, looking at various sections and two parts of the sections looked at in relation to the procedure are going to be able to make it asylum a claim but you would be granted refugee status, projection or ease of relation
let's go back to what was agreed under the windsor framework how does it apply to migration? importantly, this nt legal migration, not particularly the rwanda actjust passed in parliament. it's not in relation to removal to rwanda. but that uk has now gotten to the position is asylum any undocumented margaret commended to the uk notjust arriving on boats but anyone arriving could not make asylum and determined that this is even a bigger picture that's what's happening in the rwanda act. we know...
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means that the windsor framework means that some of those human rights obligations and still apply in northern ireland. 50 obligations and still apply in northern ireland.— obligations and still apply in northern ireland. , ., northern ireland. so in terms of the government — northern ireland. so in terms of the government response, _ northern ireland. so in terms of the government response, has - northern ireland. so in terms of the government response, has there i northern ireland. so in terms of the i government response, has there been a response? and what is to stop anyone at risk of being sent to rwanda, simply now going to northern ireland? i’ll rwanda, simply now going to northern ireland? �* . , , ireland? i'll answer the second part first. i ireland? i'll answer the second part first i think— ireland? i'll answer the second part first. | think that's _ ireland? i'll answer the second part first. i think that's going _ ireland? i'll answer the second part first. i think that's going to - ireland? i'll answer the second part first. i think that's going to be - first.
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not all of them apply in northern ireland because as you say, the windsor framework, that deal, which rishi soon that deal, which rishi sunak proclaimed as a decisive breakthrough in dealing with the sort of post—brexit problems of eu law and the good friday agreement, which includes eu law within its text, that that windsor framework means that some of those human rights obligations still apply in northern ireland. i think that is going to be the real concern for the government that essentially if you can make it to belfast as things stand, you cannot be put on a plane to rwanda. however, there is almost certainly going to be an appeal. the prime minister — and this i think the very fact that he's decided to come out and sort of respond personally to this judgment tells us, i think, why he's taking it so seriously. and what he says is that he is not, he is not going to allow this ruling to prevent him from, as he put it, "start the flights to stop the boats." he argues that the good friday agreement is being expanded beyond its remit into covering issues like what he calls illega
not all of them apply in northern ireland because as you say, the windsor framework, that deal, which rishi soon that deal, which rishi sunak proclaimed as a decisive breakthrough in dealing with the sort of post—brexit problems of eu law and the good friday agreement, which includes eu law within its text, that that windsor framework means that some of those human rights obligations still apply in northern ireland. i think that is going to be the real concern for the government that...
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it cannot risk the windsor framework. it will appeal it, but it won't prevent them sending a flight back because for rishi sunak this is flagship thing. he has chosen this hill to live on or die on. he has said, i am going to put a people on a flight to rwanda. he's promised your viewers and the viewers of gb news and his voters that he's going to get this done. and, you know, even if it's one person, he ignores the fact that he spent half £1 billion trying to send back 300 people a year, out of which possibly we might have to take 50 back. and that's not going to stop. >> in fact, any if anything, last week has taught us that the rwanda scheme has caused more people to come to the uk . people to come to the uk. >> it's not acted as a deterrent. so we can call it, i tell you who calls, i don't know who calls the shots. london or strasbourg, but i can tell you what we can call this totally bonkers and that's what it is. >> hi. it's chris in the studio with martin. you're an immigration lawyer. would you be advising migran
it cannot risk the windsor framework. it will appeal it, but it won't prevent them sending a flight back because for rishi sunak this is flagship thing. he has chosen this hill to live on or die on. he has said, i am going to put a people on a flight to rwanda. he's promised your viewers and the viewers of gb news and his voters that he's going to get this done. and, you know, even if it's one person, he ignores the fact that he spent half £1 billion trying to send back 300 people a year, out...
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the windsor framework was signed jointedly by the eu and the uk and by rishi sunak, what it means as it stands as you say is asylum seekers in northern ireland can't be sent to rwanda, if an see almost seeker manages to get to northern ireland, perhaps worried about getting on plane he can't be sent to rwanda either t plane he can't be sent to rwanda eithert prime minister is arguing the good friday agreement doesn't cover issues like as he calls it illegal migration, the government will appeal but this could go all the way to supreme court and may be the way to supreme court and may be the first of a series of legal challenges against this controversial policy clive. thank ou thank you mark. king charles has officially handed over the senior military role of colonel—in—chief of the army air corps to prince william. it is, however, a title some thought might have gone to harry, had he remained a working royal. here's duncan kennedy. from king to prince, from father to son. this was day of symbolic and personal handovers. after three decades as colonel—in—chief, king charles p
the windsor framework was signed jointedly by the eu and the uk and by rishi sunak, what it means as it stands as you say is asylum seekers in northern ireland can't be sent to rwanda, if an see almost seeker manages to get to northern ireland, perhaps worried about getting on plane he can't be sent to rwanda either t plane he can't be sent to rwanda eithert prime minister is arguing the good friday agreement doesn't cover issues like as he calls it illegal migration, the government will appeal...
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framework. we need to be a bit more honest about this. northern ireland is now a different legal territory, isn't it ? it? >> i think technically the judgement related to the illegal migration act, not the rwanda act per se. >> well, actually it applied to that and it also applied to the good friday agreement. yeah, because echr, it's actually quite a big issue. that's fair enough. >> i'll come back to that. so i haven't had time to read the judgement in detail. nigel. and one of the things i learned from you is anything to do with the eu. you always read the small print, right? right. okay. quite right. but nonetheless , what we right. but nonetheless, what we know is the prime minister said very clearly this afternoon the government are going to appeal against the judgement. i welcome that. it's the right thing to do. but the problem with that is that, you know, this could all become drawn out and protracted in the courts. now, my initial understanding, subject to reading the judgement is this
framework. we need to be a bit more honest about this. northern ireland is now a different legal territory, isn't it ? it? >> i think technically the judgement related to the illegal migration act, not the rwanda act per se. >> well, actually it applied to that and it also applied to the good friday agreement. yeah, because echr, it's actually quite a big issue. that's fair enough. >> i'll come back to that. so i haven't had time to read the judgement in detail. nigel. and one...
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and also it ultimately undermines the windsor framework itself. we the whole point, the whole point of, everything that rishi sunak agreed post—brexit , the whole agreed post—brexit, the whole point of that windsor framework was that there would be no difference in rights and no difference in rights and no difference in rights and no difference in legislation between northern ireland and mainline mainland britain . this mainline mainland britain. this will mean that there is a difference, and i expect we will see very soon. unionist politicians in northern ireland start to get quite annoyed about it, which again is another headache that the prime minister can't really afford at the moment. >> very interesting indeed. please do, let us know if there are any updates. i wonder if rishi sunak will have something to say quite quickly on all of this . thank to say quite quickly on all of this. thank you very much. olivia utley. our political correspondent there in westminster . correspondent there in westminster. huge correspondent there in westmins
and also it ultimately undermines the windsor framework itself. we the whole point, the whole point of, everything that rishi sunak agreed post—brexit , the whole agreed post—brexit, the whole point of that windsor framework was that there would be no difference in rights and no difference in rights and no difference in rights and no difference in legislation between northern ireland and mainline mainland britain . this mainline mainland britain. this will mean that there is a difference,...
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we are talking about the illegal migration act, the rwanda plan and the windsor framework. it all sounds incredibly educated and complicated. in simple terms, what you think the implications are of this judgment today in belfast for the uk government's plans to sent asylum—seekers to rwanda? government's plans to sent asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evenina. asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evening. thank _ asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evening. thank you _ asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evening. thank you for _ asylum—seekers to rwanda? (emf. evening. thank you for having me on. i think the big picture is that following on from this judgment we would currently have two systems of immigration. one where the immigration. one where the immigration act applies and one where it does not. within the united kingdom where there often are no internal immigration checks that creates a great headache because he of people traversing a cross between northern ireland and britain all the time. one of the aims of the illegal immigration act was for people to go elsewhere. so last week t
we are talking about the illegal migration act, the rwanda plan and the windsor framework. it all sounds incredibly educated and complicated. in simple terms, what you think the implications are of this judgment today in belfast for the uk government's plans to sent asylum—seekers to rwanda? government's plans to sent asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evenina. asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evening. thank _ asylum-seekers to rwanda? good evening. thank you _ asylum-seekers to rwanda? good...
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framework, the deal rishi sunak signed to deal with the post—brexit problem that in northern ireland the good friday agreement contains within the text eu human rights legislation so they basically said, northern ireland can opt out of some of that, and here we are, judge said, if it doesn't apply in general terms, judge said, if it doesn't apply in generalterms, it judge said, if it doesn't apply in general terms, it should not apply in this specific case, and therefore great chunks of the illegal migration act should be in his words to supplied in northern ireland. what he is saying is that eu law, and he is very clear about this, eu law trumps uk law in northern ireland. you can imagine this is going to be catnip to all kinds of people, not least because it has the potential to seriously undermine the rwanda policy, because any migrant who is at risk of being sent to rwanda on one of the plains, if they can make it to northern ireland, and lived there, then if the ruling is to stand, that is why they would not be able to be sent to rwanda, so it is a bit of a hole, and there are a
framework, the deal rishi sunak signed to deal with the post—brexit problem that in northern ireland the good friday agreement contains within the text eu human rights legislation so they basically said, northern ireland can opt out of some of that, and here we are, judge said, if it doesn't apply in general terms, judge said, if it doesn't apply in generalterms, it judge said, if it doesn't apply in general terms, it should not apply in this specific case, and therefore great chunks of the...
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the windsor framework the windsor knot that tied us to the eu now tear into the windsor noose. we can't get out of this. and this fella, justice humphreys, whoever this, this man needs to look into that. don't we suddenly decided actually, no . suddenly decided actually, no. we'd rather be a part of the republic. this is chaos. >> the uk will appeal. yes. it's chaos. it's more a reflection. maybe of the jul status of northern ireland. eu law applies there and uk law applies there. we heard from rishi sunak today, he said, in terms i won't let a foreign court, the strasbourg court, boss us around. i will face it down. well, it might come to that. i think he's looking at some big battles, i think, over getting his rwanda flights off the ground before the end of end of june, if that happens, and maybe this battle in northern ireland is the first of that. >> and you mentioned a great point there about the electorate , because we've seen bedlam in dubun , because we've seen bedlam in dublin , south of the border. we dublin, south of the border. we saw an astonishing report last week
the windsor framework the windsor knot that tied us to the eu now tear into the windsor noose. we can't get out of this. and this fella, justice humphreys, whoever this, this man needs to look into that. don't we suddenly decided actually, no . suddenly decided actually, no. we'd rather be a part of the republic. this is chaos. >> the uk will appeal. yes. it's chaos. it's more a reflection. maybe of the jul status of northern ireland. eu law applies there and uk law applies there. we...
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but, this is all about the windsor framework. the judge in belfast, belfast high court, said that the illegal migration act did not, fit the obligations of the windsor framework, but the government insists that it does. so this will be one to follow. the government is going to fight this and see if they can overturn that judgement. >> so yes, this is a challenge, no doubt, for the government. they did say we will, we will. we accept that we can ignore rulings, we'll fight the courts. we'll fight the courts to get these planes off the ground. but we shall see. we shall see. but in other news, up to 1500 birmingham school staff across 35 schools are staging walkouts today in a row over equal pay. so this includes teaching assistants , catering staff, assistants, catering staff, grounds maintenance staff in birmingham well taking place dunng birmingham well taking place during sats exam week. >> the exam week, of course, for primary school children this comes as members of the gmb union voted in favour of strike action, accusing bir
but, this is all about the windsor framework. the judge in belfast, belfast high court, said that the illegal migration act did not, fit the obligations of the windsor framework, but the government insists that it does. so this will be one to follow. the government is going to fight this and see if they can overturn that judgement. >> so yes, this is a challenge, no doubt, for the government. they did say we will, we will. we accept that we can ignore rulings, we'll fight the courts....
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so the good friday agreement and the post—brexit windsor framework rely upon the european convention of human rights, rather important in that area. the judges said that the rwanda plan would reduce the rights of people in northern ireland technically and specifically, including asylum seekers. but it's like two weeks since we had the story where ireland was saying this rwanda plan means people are coming into the uk, making it into northern ireland and going through the border. passing this law now is effectively saying, hey, stop here, why bother going over that extra border? just let's all gang up in northern ireland. rishi sunak said the judgement will not derail it. so it's doomed. i mean, whenever a prime minister, this is it. >> i mean, lewis, i don't know if you got to the grips of the intricacies here, but she says rishi sunak says it's not going to derail it, but it sounds like it could well derail it. >> it could derail it. there's a million things. it's going to be derailed. this is just it's first of all, we don't know if the idea is going to work. we'll send somebody to
so the good friday agreement and the post—brexit windsor framework rely upon the european convention of human rights, rather important in that area. the judges said that the rwanda plan would reduce the rights of people in northern ireland technically and specifically, including asylum seekers. but it's like two weeks since we had the story where ireland was saying this rwanda plan means people are coming into the uk, making it into northern ireland and going through the border. passing this...
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need to work to— the windsor framework, so we need to work to make _ the windsor framework, so we need to work to make sure, i've had a very good _ work to make sure, i've had a very good conversation with the deputy prime _ good conversation with the deputy prime minister of ireland yesterday about— prime minister of ireland yesterday about trying to make sure that the common— about trying to make sure that the common travel area's exterior borders— common travel area's exterior borders are protected. by common travel area's exterior borders are protected.- common travel area's exterior borders are protected. by the irish government _ borders are protected. by the irish government has _ borders are protected. by the irish government has said _ borders are protected. by the irish government has said there - borders are protected. by the irish government has said there is - borders are protected. by the irish government has said there is an i government has said there is an agreement with the uk that could allow them to return asylum seekers to the uk and the uk said it has no leg
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unlike the eurozone, he has ended the brexit deadlock in northern ireland with the windsor framework, which has seen the restoration of power sharing in northern ireland. he has recalibrated our approach to net zero, making it more sensible, more affordable and more realistic . and he has begun more realistic. and he has begun the woke fightback against bonkers trans ideology and word on the street is that legal net migration, which was approaching 700,000 last year, is also seeing a sharp decline when the pubuc seeing a sharp decline when the public go to the polls, most likely in november, it is clear that the toxic conservatives will struggle and deservedly so, after the shambles of recent years. party gates, the liz truss mini—budget and boris johnson's disastrous acquiescence to the doom mongers at sage, whose lockdown bans mask mandates and vaccine tyranny caused so much damage . tyranny caused so much damage. but when it's a choice between sunak and starmer, it is not so cut and dried. starmer response for more screeching u—turns than lewis hamilton is not trusted. no one k
unlike the eurozone, he has ended the brexit deadlock in northern ireland with the windsor framework, which has seen the restoration of power sharing in northern ireland. he has recalibrated our approach to net zero, making it more sensible, more affordable and more realistic . and he has begun more realistic. and he has begun the woke fightback against bonkers trans ideology and word on the street is that legal net migration, which was approaching 700,000 last year, is also seeing a sharp...
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he's sorted out the windsor framework boris couldn't do any of that. >> okie doke folks. still to come tonight prince william, sarah ferguson and keir starmer walk into a bar. no i'm joking. all feature in the bunch of five and we'll be answering some questions from you wonderful viewers. but next of all, they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. but sadly, no one told albie amankona and he's going to try his luck. it's me again in the saturday. scrap this time, he's defending that net zero commitment that the conservatives have made you with the saturday five live on >> on mark dolan tonight, in my big opinion, a shock new study reveals that working from home increases the risk of obesity and depression . and depression. >> when it's time for britain to go back to work, it might take a ten. a new poll shows that 82% of the public admire queen camilla. if she was running for election, she'd win by a landslide. plus, the hamiltons feisty journalist michael crick and tv legend christopher biggins. we'r
he's sorted out the windsor framework boris couldn't do any of that. >> okie doke folks. still to come tonight prince william, sarah ferguson and keir starmer walk into a bar. no i'm joking. all feature in the bunch of five and we'll be answering some questions from you wonderful viewers. but next of all, they say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. but sadly, no one told albie amankona and he's going to try his luck....
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i mean, number one, the windsor framework as sold to us by spinner rishi, you can see now was a complete and utter lie . was a complete and utter lie. sorry, strong word, but absolutely true. and the way sunak does this and presents things and denies the truth , things and denies the truth, northern ireland is still part of the european union end of thatis of the european union end of that is why there is no way. i mean, even though rwanda itself may not work because of echr, but there's no way, no way northern ireland is joining that scheme. what is even more interesting is, of course, that clever old tony blair. he wrote the echr into devolution agreements. he wrote it into the you know, the peace agreement in belfast in 1998, the good friday agreement as we know it, and there's no doubt that leaving there's no doubt that leaving the echr is the only way through all of these problems. we also must, you know, acknowledge it will mean a lot of hard work, you know, you know, relooking at the, the re—examining the whole devolution deal . it will meet devolution deal. it will meet a lot o
i mean, number one, the windsor framework as sold to us by spinner rishi, you can see now was a complete and utter lie . was a complete and utter lie. sorry, strong word, but absolutely true. and the way sunak does this and presents things and denies the truth , things and denies the truth, northern ireland is still part of the european union end of thatis of the european union end of that is why there is no way. i mean, even though rwanda itself may not work because of echr, but there's no...
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and under the windsor framework and the brexit withdrawal agreement, etc, etc, there can be no hard checks at that border. that's what dublin and belfast and britain signed up to, and any hard checks at that border would be in contravening the good friday agreement. as well as the brexit withdrawal agreement. so obviously , eyebrows were very obviously, eyebrows were very much raised here in the uk when the irish premier suggested that, troops could be deployed to that border in order to stop about 100 troops deployed to that border in order to stop migrants crossing over from northern ireland, which is obviously part of the uk to southern ireland, the secretary of state for northern ireland and, rishi sunak immediately asked for clarification from the irish government and the irish government clarified that although they wouldn't rule out sending troops to near the border area to stop those migrants crossing the border, it wouldn't be a case of police actually policing that border. now, if that sounds a little bit complicated and tortuous to you , complicated and tortuous to you, then tha
and under the windsor framework and the brexit withdrawal agreement, etc, etc, there can be no hard checks at that border. that's what dublin and belfast and britain signed up to, and any hard checks at that border would be in contravening the good friday agreement. as well as the brexit withdrawal agreement. so obviously , eyebrows were very obviously, eyebrows were very much raised here in the uk when the irish premier suggested that, troops could be deployed to that border in order to stop...
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is that last time we saw there was no political credit for things like the windsor framework agreement for rishi sunak coming in after liz truss this time, you know, richard holden was out there talking about the rwanda scheme and trying his best to sell the party line . ultimately, there party line. ultimately, there doesn't seem to be much impact on the polls of that. and it doesn't really matter what rishi sunak does in terms of defence spending or national insurance cuts. we had the autumn statement. none of that is really making a huge difference in the polls. it seems that the pubuc in the polls. it seems that the public has made up their mind and they've made up their mind to get the conservatives out and get labour in, and that's what we see in the north of england from the marginals and also in the south of england, where we've got the lib dem seats, where they expect to do very well later today. i wanted to ask about the situation in oldham, which has come in in the past, sort of 15 minutes or so. how much do you think the muslim vote, partook in that, that result there becau
is that last time we saw there was no political credit for things like the windsor framework agreement for rishi sunak coming in after liz truss this time, you know, richard holden was out there talking about the rwanda scheme and trying his best to sell the party line . ultimately, there party line. ultimately, there doesn't seem to be much impact on the polls of that. and it doesn't really matter what rishi sunak does in terms of defence spending or national insurance cuts. we had the autumn...