." >> it's all i heard yesterday, like woody woodpecker, what is going on. pecker, pecker. i thought it was funny. >> it is funny. back on script, to willie's point. the meta story is you have biden on the trail and he's talking about abortion and campaigning and doing the nuts and pwoelgts of politics and very conventional, and then you have donald trump in a courtroom, and he's distracted and can't do the things he needs to do on the campaign, and he's embroiled in literal tabloid controversial, and that's something the biden campaign welcomes. we were talking about the defense here, and i would ask this of barbara, too, and i think the defense is fairly easy here, right? which is this man, david pecker, ran "the national enquirer," which literally made up stories and peddled lies, and why should we believe he's telling the truth now? same with michael cohen, honestly, and he admitted he lied. why should we believe anything he has to say now? that to me, barbara, seems to be a powerful defense, to say these people are admitted liars and you should not believe what they ha