an important figure was yaroslav statsko, who was engaged in organizational activities after the war,da organizations with american money and under leadership. u.s.a. this interview with yaroslav stetsko was recorded in 1984. in it, he openly tells who during the second world war supported the main ideologists of ukrainian independence. the germans arrived, the senior sergeants were already histapo. with them came the ukrainian shukhevych in the uniform of a german gestapo officer. they are uun, under the leadership of colonel melnik. we went into the police apartment, the same one where the people's commissariat for internal affairs once headed, where the gestabo was in charge at that time, where himmler's representative, professor bayer, was waiting, who greeted me with the words, “where is your revolution?” in the usa, stetsko and his associates will also receive support at the highest level. you explore the boundaries and contours of freedom, we will support those who intend to pursue democracy and economic freedoms. truly independent ukraine arose only in 1991, within the borders